One of the most fascinating revelations to me was the part of the police interrogation when police start leaving the room, and Troconis literally gets on her knees in an extremely submissive way and begs her attorney to convey to her daughter that she loves her.
As if that is the important part: Troconis is a good mother who loves her daughter, not that her daughter is loved and cared for. She could have begged to make sure she is cared for, and that she is secure in knowing her mother would be there now if she could, and her mother will be with her again. That is not the same thing as a rough variation of tell my daughter I'm a good mother, even though you have to endure my arrest right now. A much more selfish message than tell my daughter that I will make sure she getsthe love and care she needs.
But on her knees, begging and crying put the power 100% in attoney Bowman's hands to anoint her a good mother, or not. In the position she assumed, she was nearly in place to perform a submissive sex act. It seemed to annoy Bowman, who had no intention to control her sense of self worth or humiliate her. But it was one more piece of data as to what the dynamic between Troconis and Dulos likely was. I believe LE more than Troconis about that dynamic. I think she was in danger from him like LE said, not that they fought a lot and she was an equal participant as she said.
This does not mean she is not a co-conspirator to murder. Innocent until proven, of course, but I think she is likely guilty on all charges.
I also think she was in a far more abusive relationship than she realized-she probably still doesn't know it now.
MOO
Well put and interesting theory!
The psychology of MT and the MT/FD relationship have been long discussed topics in this case for the last four years and I think we could probably go on for another 50 threads on the issues involved.
MT in the Law Enforcement interviews described herself as “dominant”’and “strong”’and even “aggressive ” with the ability to stand up for herself in a relationship with an equally dominant, strong and aggressive FD. Yet we saw her down on her knees to the one male who she thought could save her!
Based on everything I’ve seen in this case that act of MT on her knees showed precisely who she is. She is someone who with no regard for others (or her own dignity) will do whatever it takes, including degrading herself, to manipulate others to do what she wants. Kneeling down to atty bowman gave the message to him of clear submission and also sent the message to him of what else she might do for him if he helped her (her usual MO is always sex). Atty bowman was imo visually disgusted as would most people with a moral code might be! The scene is so imo Latina drama over the top that it’s best watched without sound as the words coming from MT about her love for her daughter don’t matter to her but are meant purely to attempt to manipulate atty bowman. Love is just another tool in the MT manipulation toolbox. It was stunning to watch as I think that was when MT first realized she was in a mess and couldn’t escape or run away as she usually does. I also believe atty bowman ran for the hills when he then realized who MT was and what she was wrapped up with along with FD.
How many criminals when given an opportunity for a deal then turn around and continue to lie and do so multiple times? Imo those who know there is no way to tell the truth. We seen even after 2 month time gap in the third interview where MT could have come clean, she simply wasn’t able to do it. Stunning stuff.
What I think law enforcement and certainly atty bowman didn’t understand initially is that MT has no boundaries (like FD) and also has no right and wrong in her psychological makeup as most people understand them in a traditional religious and moral sense. These are folks that will do whatever it takes, never think they do anything wrong and will see consequence's purely as unwarranted persecution. Guilt and the concept of doing the right thing are not how these people are wired. These are people that only care about themselves always.
We saw law enforcement trying to first appeal to MT as a mother to find JF or even care about her own daughter if she goes to prison and I think the males in the room were surprised when that tactic fell flat. MT imo doesn't care about her daughter other than as a tool to have a lifestyle with a wealthy baby daddy and she certainly didn’t care about the dulos children other than for the money they represented and how it could impact her. Caring about others simply isn’t how MT and FD are the wired.
Officers then tried to appeal to MT to simply do the right thing and help them find JF. Again this fell flat. MT Didnt care about doing the right thing, she just cared about herself going to prison but even in this her attitude was why are you all doing this to me? It was stunning stuff to see someone basically saying without blinking an eye that they did nothing wrong and then seemed bothered to even have to explain their timeline.
What tripped me up in understanding all this is that eventually LE did appeal to MT self interest with a deal which I thought might have worked given how she is wired. But, it didn’t and the only thing I can come up with is that truth isn’t possible because even for someone like MT that doesn’t recognize right and wrong, it’s simply too painful and horrifying to talk about.
I don’t think MT thinks anything she did is wrong but talking about it is for whatever reason painful to her, possibly only because she is being confronted and is caught with no way out. MT doesn't like being told she did something wrong or even questioned about her choices.
I think officers see people that have committed horrible crimes but I’m not so sure that they see true sociopathy or psychopathy on a routine basis. They see anger or frustration or fear and people doing stupid things etc. So running into FD and MT imo was unusual for them and it took a minute for them to figure out who and what they were dealing with.
The law enforcement interview was fascinating as the officers wrongly imo assumed that MT would want to help find a missing JF who was a fellow mother and had 5 children. MT could care less about helping and we saw this in her statement to them when she said, “I’ve already given 3 weeks to this thing”!
MT during most of the first and second interviews appeared bothered every time things circled back to helping find JF as MT doesn't help others, she just helps herself. So, we saw frustration about questions that had nothing to do with her and then this turned into anger about “why am I even here as I’ve done nothin”! I think MT has spent her whole life seeing that she is never involved in doing anything wrong, she simply never sees it and she can’t talk about. I do
Wish they had brought in a psychologist as part of the team early on as perhaps that might have helped.
MT is no push over and she can give as good as she gets and she can argue, push and manipulate in many respects as well as FD and we see this over and over.
The thing for me at least that makes understanding why MT stayed with FD for many many years even after she found out he lied to her and the family about the fact that his divorce, initially was something I found difficult to understand given the way MT describes herself.
Think about it, you move yourself and your daughter, find out you were lied to and lied to for a long time and yet you stay in a situation that you yourself describe as “two years of hell in Connecticut”?
MT knew she had been lied to as early as 2017 and yet she stays and she was not coerced and she was not abused by her own accounts in the Law Enforcement interviews. No, when asked she said FD treated her well and she was never in fear. I think she was deluded about the potential for wealth pure and simple.
I think what tripped me up trying to understand the situation with the couple was the fact that not only did FD lie about the divorce, FD lied about the money, FD lied about the couples future prospects, frankly he lied about who he was as a person. AND Yet, MT willingly chose to stay.
Narcissists I think are brilliant at understanding certain aspects of people that those people sometimes might not even acknowledge in themselves. It’s for this reason that I think FD saw in MT someone who in many ways was the mirror of himself and I think at the core of FD was deeply insecure but also driven by tremendous greed and ambition for money without having to work for it. I also think FD saw in MT deep greed and a craving for a life where she too could do all those things she loves to do be it riding, skiing or traveling etc. But I do think the thing that attracted MT to FD was that neither were constrained by a moral driven core, ethics or the ability or willingness to care for others or take responsibility for their actions.
I think MT stayed with FD not because he duped her or threatened her or controlled her. Nope. MT knew about the FD lies, all of them, but she stayed because she believed and trusted he would be able to give her what was important to her and that was money and comfort. MT simply cares about MT and that is it imo. She isn’t motivated to help others or care for others as her life is all about her all the time imo. This is why seeing the PR of MT making cookies with Mama Troconis for charity was simply laughable. Both of these women at their core believe that the best charity in the world is themselves!
MT didnt care about the FD lies because lying was something she did as well, if not better than FD. MT Didnt care about the manipulation of FD because she did that probably better than FD too. MT stayed because she knew that together they were stronger than either by themselves and they were bound by mutual greed for what JF and her family had which was money. Love was probably just another tool the couple used to manipulate the other and was something neither of them had the capacity to give or understand at the most basic level.
FD picked well in MT imo because there was literally nothing she wasn’t willing to do ever if it was in pursuit of what she wanted. Boundless greed, self absorption and grandiose plans bound the couple together and I think it’s why MT stayed after being lied to about virtually everything. This was a couple kept together by self interest and greed pure and simple. The couples target was the Farber wealth and lifestyle and they were willing to kill to get it.
I was also tripped up about seeing MT following instructions from FD around the time of the murder. During this period we see over and over MT (strong, independent woman by her own admission) taking orders but also very willingly imo which in my mind said she knew what their goals as a couple were and she was willing to do things she didn't usually do without question. MT is a brilliant soldier but only when she is all in with the plan! When asked to go to Home Depot with an odd shopping list, many others would have questioned items on the list imo. Not MT. I don’t think she questioned it because she knew it was part of the plan. MT went to “clean” when even though she never did that task and found being asked to do it annoying.
MT excluded the trip down Albany from her non alibi script because she knew what was going on and she knew it didn’t look good for her but was necessary for their plan.
She blindly went back and forth from 4JX to MS after the murder doing FD bidding because she knew it was important to the plan.
MT saw nothing wrong in anything she did and I do hope the jury sees this and realise that she stayed of her own free will whilst knowing of all of FDs lies and manipulation. Ditto for entire Troconis Crew who continue to spew lies and misinformation on social media along with their paid puppet, TP.
Remorse, empathy, guilt and reflection are sadly not in the MT and FD emotional dna imo.
MOO
