Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #60

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@Megnut has it below. Thanks.

Have not seen her name which feels so odd to me. I have looked in lots of places. Here is one of the quoted exchange excerpts.

"A female detective in the room also confronted Ms Troconis for staying with Dulos.

“Fotis, the love of your life. The man you sleep with every night,” the female detective said as Ms Troconis broke down in tears. “So imagine what he could do to you ... [after what he did] to a woman he was married to for a long time, who he had five children with, two sets of twins.” Detective reveals chilling warning to Michelle Troconis after murder of lover’s wife

Niner said:
Wait - a female detective was ALSO in the interview/interrogation in Bowman's office? Anyone know her name - have not seen it in any articles. I would like to put this in my notes. TIA! :)
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I am not Sherlock H. said:
I am no psychologist or psychiatrist, but two particular points it seems emphasize this person MT and their beliefs or behavior: the thong underwear display (was it?); and ‘FT came in to shower with me’ in the morning.

Those points ring like ‘cat nip’ IMO. The latter almost serves to illustrate what she believes her importance of being desired, while also perhaps almost being degrading or diminishing?

And on the musings in other recent threads about the defense attorney perspective. I agree, word salad can be so amusing and interesting. I guess if I was a defense attorney (which I am not), and was making ~$750 or more an hour (a guess) I could find a positive way to say something about my client. MOO
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JS quite gratuitously mentioned the thong, IMO

MOO
 
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Ruminations said:
JS quite gratuitously mentioned the thong, IMO

MOO
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JS mentioned it to suggest that MT was degraded by having to strip down to her undies, to be full-body photographed like any other person arrested for similar.

"Lady, you're staying at a nearby hotel rather than where you have been residing because you fear you are soon going to be arrested in connection with the disappearance/murder of your husband's estranged wife and mother of his 5 children. If you don't want to be photographed in your thong, then make a stop at a local store and purchase some fuller-coverage panties for the coming occasion."

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
 
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afitzy said:
Just putting this random info here as I wasn’t sure if it were you or @Diddian or someone else trying to figure out the FD citizenship.

Anyway, back to citizenship. In the civil depo it seemed like because he was born in turkey he had always retained that passport. When the family moved to Greece he might (vague in the depo imo) have obtained a passport, might have needed it for school etc. Guess here is that he never dropped Turkish passport because Greece I believe allows dual citizenship but he lapsed the Greek passport at some point unknown.
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Turkish citizens of Greek ancestry would only be eligible for Greek citizenship upon moving to Greece if one of their parents or grandparents was a Greek citizen before being required to become Turkish citizens. Greece doesn't allow ancestry as a condition for Greek citizenship beyond grandparents due to the lack of documentation for earlier generations of Greek citizens who were part of the Greek diaspora. Since the pogroms against Greeks in Turkey in 1955 and the deportations by Turkey of Greeks in 1964 and 1974, most Turkish people of Greek ancestry have left Turkey due to persecution, genocide, seizure of their lands and property and businesses. Laws about which professions or businesses they are banned from, closing of their schools, churches, etc. Also requirement to take Turkish surnames and other government actions toward Greeks in Turkey.

So his family could have applied for asylum in Greece and requested citizenship based on parents or grandparents citizenship, or if they only had parental and/or grandparental Greek ancestry but not citizenship, then they could emigrate to Greece and get Greek citizenship through naturalization after about 7-10 years. This may be what FD's family did and FD was eligible for Greek citizenship but didn't apply for it. If his parents eventually applied for citizenship in Greece, which is very likely IMO, then I assume that FD would be eligible to apply for himself and his children.

All JMO. Having lived in Istanbul for a few years when my parents were posted there for work purposes, I became familiar with the plight of the Greek community in Istanbul and in other regions of the country.
 
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Sundog said:
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Turkish citizens of Greek ancestry would only be eligible for Greek citizenship upon moving to Greece if one of their parents or grandparents was a Greek citizen before being required to become Turkish citizens. Greece doesn't allow ancestry as a condition for Greek citizenship beyond grandparents due to the lack of documentation for earlier generations of Greek citizens who were part of the Greek diaspora. Since the pogroms against Greeks in Turkey in 1955 and the deportations by Turkey of Greeks in 1964 and 1974, most Turkish people of Greek ancestry have left Turkey due to persecution, genocide, seizure of their lands and property and businesses. Laws about which professions or businesses they are banned from, closing of their schools, churches, etc. Also requirement to take Turkish surnames and other government actions toward Greeks in Turkey.

So his family could have applied for asylum in Greece and requested citizenship based on parents or grandparents citizenship, or if they only had parental and/or grandparental Greek ancestry but not citizenship, then they could emigrate to Greece and get Greek citizenship through naturalization after about 7-10 years. This may be what FD's family did and FD was eligible for Greek citizenship but didn't apply for it. If his parents eventually applied for citizenship in Greece, which is very likely IMO, then I assume that FD would be eligible to apply for himself and his children.

All JMO. Having lived in Istanbul for a few years when my parents were posted there for work purposes, I became familiar with the plight of the Greek community in Istanbul and in other regions of the country.
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So interesting! But during all the turmoil with the Turkish people of Greek ancestry (mostly Christian if I recall too) didn't the Greek Govt offer asylum programs with citizenship?

Here is a video that tells the story about a local Avon CT photojournalist who did a interview with FD and MT for his book on successful people. Due to their arrests he didn't include the story of FD but he did share the story that FD had written for his book. The FD story can be seen at 1:28 in the below video.

My reason for including this is that this is the only info I've found directly from FD describing being born in Constantinople/Istanbul into a Greek minority community (Christian/Greek Orthodox) and immigrating to Greece when it seems like he was 7 years old. FD was born August 6, 1967. This would put the immigration time around 1974 which might fit with the info you provided in OP perhaps?

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afitzy said:
So interesting! But during all the turmoil with the Turkish people of Greek ancestry (mostly Christian if I recall too) didn't the Greek Govt offer asylum programs with citizenship?

Here is a video that tells the story about a local Avon CT photojournalist who did a interview with FD and MT for his book on successful people. Due to their arrests he didn't include the story of FD but he did share the story that FD had written for his book. The FD story can be seen at 1:28 in the below video.

My reason for including this is that this is the only info I've found directly from FD describing being born in Constantinople/Istanbul into a Greek minority community (Christian/Greek Orthodox) and immigrating to Greece when it seems like he was 7 years old. FD was born August 6, 1967. This would put the immigration time around 1974 which might fit with the info you provided in OP perhaps?

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Interesting, I wondered how old FD was when his family emigrated to Greece.

IIRC, the Greek government offered amnesty for Turkish citizens who were of Greek ancestry only if they could show that their parents or grandparents were Greek citizens, not just of Greek ancestry. So unless FD's parents could show that their parents or grandparents were Greek citizens, they would have likely had to emigrate and follow the path of naturalization to become Greek citizens, which would take them 7-10 years. It may be that they pursued the latter course.

Thanks for the link and information.
 
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I'm surprised he would let his Greek citizenship lapse for many reasons. One of them being if his family owned any land in Greece. It is an absolute bureaucratic pain to get things done in Greece but having Greek citizenship makes things easier. (I'm of Greek origin and have had to deal with this stuff). I have often wondered if there was any drug use with FD. He definitely seemed like an adrenaline-driven individual but his behavior seemed to become much more careless and erratic in the last few years of his life. I often think if he were like that earlier on in the marriage, the loans would have never been given. JMO
 
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Sundog said:
Interesting, I wondered how old FD was when his family emigrated to Greece.

IIRC, the Greek government offered amnesty for Turkish citizens who were of Greek ancestry only if they could show that their parents or grandparents were Greek citizens, not just of Greek ancestry. So unless FD's parents could show that their parents or grandparents were Greek citizens, they would have likely had to emigrate and follow the path of naturalization to become Greek citizens, which would take them 7-10 years. It may be that they pursued the latter course.

Thanks for the link and information.
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Its interesting that the FD family supposedly had a long history in the tanning industry and seemed to go back and forth for business between Greece and Turkey. I don't know at what point the family moved to Turkey or if they had always been part of the Greek diaspora in Constantinople (changed in 1930 iirc). As FD always seemed to call Istanbul Constantinople, my guess always was that the Family didn't come from Greece in recent/modern history times but I honestly don't know for sure. One of the things I always found a bit odd about FD is that he seemed to refer to himself as "Greek" and never "Turkish" even though he was a born in Constantinople/Istanbul. Given the purges against the Christian Greeks maybe this was why? IDK.

One of the Greek news outlets did a story on the family at the time of the arrests but the translate feature in google iirc didn't do a great job translating to english and the article didn't make too much sense to me. We had some people that could read greek on the thread at the time and they put out some info from the profile but I don't think anyone translated that article from Greek to English. You can try searching out the Greek news outlets if you have further interest.

Not related to your original topic but related to the Greek media and FD. At the time of the FD arrests the Greek media coverage was interesting to see as FD sister Rena/Renata was giving interviews locally (she lives in Athens where she is an architect - She and Fotis started FORE group long ago and she did most of the architectural work for company) and the local press was largely filled with content from her interviews vs the facts as presented in the AAs. The local sentiment in Athens at the time was that FD was this 'golden man' who never would have murdered the mother of his 5 beautiful children etc. It was surreal to read but was always interesting to see people that read Greek provide some tidbits on the threads here.
 
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CT Weather Update:
- Could be messy with mix sleet/rain in Southern CT with light snow overnight so could have a messy commute in the am but rest of week seems tranquil and dry.

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afitzy said:
CT Weather Update:
- Could be messy with mix sleet/rain in Southern CT with light snow overnight so could have a messy commute in the am but rest of week seems tranquil and dry.

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I hope actual weather doesn't affect Court's start time tomorrow but I hope whether weather is the first topic of conversation, if the State chooses to expose the lowbrow weather map the Defense greased into the record on Friday.

Why is he harping on precipitation anyway? To show the jury how unimpeachable the defendant is? She told a truth about 12:59? Kind of offsets itself when you hold it up against the entire next morningful of lies.

She still hasn't come clean.

JMO
 
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afitzy said:
Its interesting that the FD family supposedly had a long history in the tanning industry and seemed to go back and forth for business between Greece and Turkey. I don't know at what point the family moved to Turkey or if they had always been part of the Greek diaspora in Constantinople (changed in 1930 iirc). As FD always seemed to call Istanbul Constantinople, my guess always was that the Family didn't come from Greece in recent/modern history times but I honestly don't know for sure. One of the things I always found a bit odd about FD is that he seemed to refer to himself as "Greek" and never "Turkish" even though he was a born in Constantinople/Istanbul. Given the purges against the Christian Greeks maybe this was why? IDK.

One of the Greek news outlets did a story on the family at the time of the arrests but the translate feature in google iirc didn't do a great job translating to english and the article didn't make too much sense to me. We had some people that could read greek on the thread at the time and they put out some info from the profile but I don't think anyone translated that article from Greek to English. You can try searching out the Greek news outlets if you have further interest.

Not related to your original topic but related to the Greek media and FD. At the time of the FD arrests the Greek media coverage was interesting to see as FD sister Rena/Renata was giving interviews locally (she lives in Athens where she is an architect - She and Fotis started FORE group long ago and she did most of the architectural work for company) and the local press was largely filled with content from her interviews vs the facts as presented in the AAs. The local sentiment in Athens at the time was that FD was this 'golden man' who never would have murdered the mother of his 5 beautiful children etc. It was surreal to read but was always interesting to see people that read Greek provide some tidbits on the threads here.
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Yes, I remember those interviews with FD's sister and the local media response. She was pretty good at feeding the press her narrative.
 
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afitzy said:
Yes.

What is interesting is that no job seemed to last very long for whatever reason.

She also worked for FORE for a period of time and my recollection was we learned of it in civil trial deposition. Her salary was $120,000 yr. In the interviews she denied this but her statement was false as the books were partially reviewed in the civil trial and that was when all the accounting irregularities were uncovered even though FD denied everything. I personally think MT knew almost everything there was to know about FD activities as she even knew about his option deals so must have simply hung around to overhear everything, even though her tasks were more marketing. I don’t think she told law enforcement the truth on her involvement with FORE at all as she totally distanced herself from it. Bowman if you recall pulled a rabbit out the hat and was able to prevent her from being deposed in the civil trial. But she knew all about FD accounting games at Fore imo.

The event planning seemed to be something in one way or another that she came back to imo. Maybe she is a good organiser?

Moo
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I spent some time looking at her past history. Please do not judge me for not knowing MT was a socialite as some headlines state. She did a brief stint for ESPN Sports about Snow Skiing; therefore, there is no way she spoke in a faltering tone since she held an international public broadcasting position. Another deet was that she gained child support and lump sum settlement when her DD was 6yo or about school age. I wonder if this was also the time period in which she met Fotis in FL.

I had the good fortune of easy lake access in my youth and became a proficient water skier. Having a competent driver of the boat is critical to success. The water was like a glossy sheet of smooth glass except during high winds in March. Make a mistake jumping the wake the speedboat leaves behind, and your body can twist into any number of configurations before you're able to resurface which, of course, your ski belt helps, but not before you may have swallowed a bucketful of water. In pondering little children, 8-9yo, in skis on top of the water being pulled behind a rapidly driven boat in steep competitions is a bit frightening.

More recently, I read, when MT was seeking to have the ankle monitoring bracelet removed, the court was informed MT needed to measure furniture because she was a "swatch rep." She's certainly worn many different hats in her life but none as sinister as the defendant's hat.
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afitzy said:
So interesting! But during all the turmoil with the Turkish people of Greek ancestry (mostly Christian if I recall too) didn't the Greek Govt offer asylum programs with citizenship?

Here is a video that tells the story about a local Avon CT photojournalist who did a interview with FD and MT for his book on successful people. Due to their arrests he didn't include the story of FD but he did share the story that FD had written for his book. The FD story can be seen at 1:28 in the below video.

My reason for including this is that this is the only info I've found directly from FD describing being born in Constantinople/Istanbul into a Greek minority community (Christian/Greek Orthodox) and immigrating to Greece when it seems like he was 7 years old. FD was born August 6, 1967. This would put the immigration time around 1974 which might fit with the info you provided in OP perhaps?

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thank you for finding this and sharing! all was not as it seemed indeed.
 
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DeDee said:
I spent some time looking at her past history. Please do not judge me for not knowing MT was a socialite as some headlines state. She did a brief stint for ESPN Sports about Snow Skiing; therefore, there is no way she spoke in a faltering tone since she held an international public broadcasting position. Another deet was that she gained child support and lump sum settlement when her DD was 6yo or about school age. I wonder if this was also the time period in which she met Fotis in FL.

I had the good fortune of easy lake access in my youth and became a proficient water skier. Having a competent driver of the boat is critical to success. The water was like a glossy sheet of smooth glass except during high winds in March. Make a mistake jumping the wake the speedboat leaves behind, and your body can twist into any number of configurations before you're able to resurface which, of course, your ski belt helps, but not before you may have swallowed a bucketful of water. In pondering little children, 8-9yo, in skis on top of the water being pulled behind a rapidly driven boat in steep competitions is a bit frightening.

More recently, I read, when MT was seeking to have the ankle monitoring bracelet removed, the court was informed MT needed to measure furniture because she was a "swatch rep." She's certainly worn many different hats in her life but none as sinister as the defendant's hat.
moo
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I would be interested to know more about the timeline of when MT’s daughter’s father first became aware of his paternity. From some news accounts it sounds like he may have been blindsided significantly on the late side - and potentially missed his daughter’s first years. Perhaps MT’s family was admonishing her for not taking advantage of the obvious source of income already? MOO!
 
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glassheater said:
I'm surprised he would let his Greek citizenship lapse for many reasons. One of them being if his family owned any land in Greece. It is an absolute bureaucratic pain to get things done in Greece but having Greek citizenship makes things easier. (I'm of Greek origin and have had to deal with this stuff). I have often wondered if there was any drug use with FD. He definitely seemed like an adrenaline-driven individual but his behavior seemed to become much more careless and erratic in the last few years of his life. I often think if he were like that earlier on in the marriage, the loans would have never been given. JMO
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My sense always was that Jennifer’s father had an idea about the type of man she married.
Iirc all the money Fotis borrowed had to be done face to face with Hillard Farber in NY. Fotis in effect “ reported “ to Jennifer’s father. Jennifer was never the go between for the money and the paperwork was executed and terms spelled out etc between FD /Fire Group and Hillard.
When Hillard Farber died in early January
2017 Fotis I think felt a certain freedom. There was no one left to oversee him and he stopped paying the loans. It would have been that spring in FLA when Fotis became more brazen about his affair with MT.
So I have no idea of course but I think FD got more and more brazen without oversight.
And then when JFD moved out and asked for a divorce things really started to go haywire with Fotis. He needed the Farber money.
He was certainly not going to be outsmarted by a woman. So feeling backed into a corner he hatched his plan.
I am of the opinion that if Hillard were still alive this would have played out much differently.
Just my thoughts
 
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