Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #61

[afitzy]

Does anyone know the identities of the two gentleman who spoke with the interviewer beginning at 5:49 in that video?

I think the younger one is GV....he was part of FORE for a long time. IDK who the older one was. Sorry.

 

[glassheater]

I think the younger one is GV....he was part of FORE for a long time. IDK who the older one was. Sorry.

The older one had a heavy Greek accent IMO.

 

[HelloDolly2024]

She wasn't left holding the bag. She held the bag. Possibly she even bought the bag(s).

I think we almost missed the obvious. FD manipulated vehicles and phones in order to commit murder.

I'm beginning to smell a midnight rat -- for a completely different reason than before. That scenario with her daughter? The phone activity, the thunderstorm, the bed hopping. -- no one's gonna question a mother, protecting her daughter from the big bad thunderclap. That call, if it exists -- and I'll postulate it does -- on two phones, one operator -- serves one purpose -- it pins the defendant to a location. A point in time suggesting a span of time. Surely the sort of loving mother who'd go to her child, comfort her would never sneak out, leaving that child alone and without comfort to go to another location with her lover, under cover of dark.

I think she did use her phone at 1 am that morning. To give the impression she was home, motherly and trustworthy, and there all night.

IMO she wasn't.

She might genuinely not know where JFd's body is (FD would've known he couldn't trust her with that much information, he'd just make sure she was incriminated enough, she could never turn on him with what she did know.

In other words, IMO she may not know where FD took JFd's body but she knows exactly in which shape(s) JFd's body went there

She's got more than Hartford city sidewalk dirt on her hands. For life.

JMO

Bravo. Spot on! Thank you.

 

[MX27875]

Did anyone else laugh pretty hard when Fotis said in the interview that he believed Jennifer was still alive?

 

[afitzy]

She wasn't left holding the bag. She held the bag. Possibly she even bought the bag(s).

I think we almost missed the obvious. FD manipulated vehicles and phones in order to commit murder.

I'm beginning to smell a midnight rat -- for a completely different reason than before. That scenario with her daughter? The phone activity, the thunderstorm, the bed hopping. -- no one's gonna question a mother, protecting her daughter from the big bad thunderclap. That call, if it exists -- and I'll postulate it does -- on two phones, one operator -- serves one purpose -- it pins the defendant to a location. A point in time suggesting a span of time. Surely the sort of loving mother who'd go to her child, comfort her would never sneak out, leaving that child alone and without comfort to go to another location with her lover, under cover of dark.

I think she did use her phone at 1 am that morning. To give the impression she was home, motherly and trustworthy, and there all night.

IMO she wasn't.

She might genuinely not know where JFd's body is (FD would've known he couldn't trust her with that much information, he'd just make sure she was incriminated enough, she could never turn on him with what she did know.

In other words, IMO she may not know where FD took JFd's body but she knows exactly in which shape(s) JFd's body went there

She's got more than Hartford city sidewalk dirt on her hands. For life.

JMO

Powerful stuff, well said. Totally agree.

I'm with you now on MT either not being at 4JX all night or for a good portion of the night but what baffles me then is that by removing the MT cell phone from the Trial the CLOWN has no way to prove where MT cell phone was on the eve of the Murder as it appears her phone is effectively tied to her always as we learned in the LE Interviews. But, I now think that perhaps the CLOWN needed the MT Cell phone data kicked as it must have shown clearly that MT wasn't at 4JX and had instead possibly left her daughter alone all night or for a portion of the night and then also shown the path of her activities on the day of the murder and afterwards too. Yikes. Yep, he needed the cell phone tossed as it had nothing but bad news for their case based on "knowing nothing"......

The idea the CLOWN presented in Court of the handwritten phone log of MT was preposterous as was the silly weather discussion using the incorrect time and photos of driveways posted on social media with as Judge R said, "morning dew". I just think that we might be witnessing one of the biggest 'own goals' of the trial as the CLOWN has no way prove MT whereabouts at any time.

But, perhaps the calculus of getting the MT phone kicked was that the least of the CLOWNS issue was where MT was on the eve of the murder? The CLOWN got the phone kicked and then had to backtrack to try and come up with a story for where MT was on the eve of the murder and it backfired spectacularly because it was implausible on so many levels (of which weather didn't even figure into the equation imo). He is then playing a game of "catch me if you can' with the State for the remainder of the holes in MT timeline. My guess is they have to filler for the timeline gaps as why prosecute if they didn't even if they don't have the MT cell phone.

The other reason I'm with you on MT not being at 4JX for much or any of the night was if there was anything I was convinced of after suffering through the 6 hrs of MT LE Interview was that MT does not clearly place a value on her daughter that is greater than the value she places on herself, in that many mothers (JF for one imo) would sacrifice or give up their lives for their children and when their children suffer they suffer 10x more. Not MT. MT had to be reminded by LE that she was a mother and even when prompted she didn't exhibit much consideration for her daughter.

LE imo made the early fatal error of thinking that the innate love of a mother for a child exists in MT and while they eventually realised who and what they were dealing with in MT, it did take them awhile because the reason people like the CLOWN get away with attempting to manipulate jurors with ridiculous and implausible stories such as the 12:59 am phone call is because most decent and loving people imo who are mothers would literally die for their children. MT isn't one of these people imo as she simply cares about herself and her comfort. Many other mothers might have been crying and screaming for their children in the LE Interview they were worried about their daughter or even the 5 Dulos children. Not MT, she didn't make a peep about the Dulos children and only mentioned her daughter after being reminded by LE that it was impt and then she milked it for her own purposes imo because she thought she could manipulate her audience of mainly men.

The CLOWN did another "3 Card Monte" imo on this entire issue as MT IS the kind of person to leave her 12 year old daughter sleeping and alone in a 10,000 SF house while she goes to assist FD either at 4JX or 80MS. The CLOWN knows how most people imagine most mothers to be and also knows that these assumptions about mothers are widely held. IMO it was a total con. But, to me the other tip off from the CLOWN was by overplaying his hand on the setup of the whole grift complete with the weather data con, most viewers I think became uncomfortable as the story was simply not supported by evidence or testimony and the handwritten phone log was simply a bridge too far in the ridiculous story.

The other thing that got me thinking that MT really was responsible for most of the planning related execution for the murder is that I think between FD and MT that she really is the planner and organiser and she follows orders so is a good soldier for the fundamentally lazy FD. She kept things on track and delivered what FD wanted her to do. Her various work jobs (few as they are) were in the area of event planning which requires organisation, planning and scheduling. When she described her process of organising receipts in the LE Interview it was clear she had a process and was methodical (if even for that day!). I do think that FD left to his own devices was not big on being on time or mundane task execution and so he relied on MT for all the shopping and set up. This is where it becomes implausible to believe innocence imo as who might have been sent to Home Depot with a shopping list containing so much of what has been seen so far entered into evidence (speculation here) and not thought that something odd or out of the ordinary is going on? Simply not credible.

No bueno for MT...No bueno at all!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

I think the younger one is GV....he was part of FORE for a long time. IDK who the older one was. Sorry.

There was an old photo from when FORE actually had employees and you might look there as the picture had I think 8 people or so.

 

[afitzy]

Just placing this old SA article talking about MT dodging subpoena in the Civil Case for months and how she was a paid employee of FORE yet even in the LE Interview insisted that she wasn't an employee (it was found in the Civil Case she was being paid $120,000 by FORE before FORE ran out of cash).

Another example of MT lying about lies....

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/local/article/Farber-cites-Pinterest-Fore-Group-website-in-14285086.php

 

[afitzy]

Placeholder article by Mike Dinan, New Canaanite on PG, Blue Hoodie and Red Pail:

Fotis Dulos Employee Emerges as Key Figure in Murder Case

After pedaling his bicycle from Waveny Park to Welles Lane to kill his estranged wife, and then steering an employee’s pickup truck back upstate with her corpse, Fotis Dulos failed to remove from the vehicle the dark-colored, hooded sweatshirt he’d been wearing while cycling, according to...

newcanaanite.com

 

[MX27875]

I don’t even think the state needs the evidence from her actually cellphone because they found her burner phone number and subpoenaed the burner carrier. That’s where the evidence lies. This is why the state isn’t fazed by that. MOO

 

[glassheater]

DBM

 

[DataDriven]

The older one had a heavy

The older one had a heavy Greek accent IMO.

I think it’s one of FD’s cousins who came from Greece to be with him after his first arrest.

MOO

 

[Gardenista]

Someone posted that they were looking for the search warrants and I think I found them on WayBack. I'm pretty sure it is all of them because it's 467 pages long

Wayback Machine

web.archive.org

 

[MX27875]

Someone posted that they were looking for the search warrants and I think I found them on WayBack. I'm pretty sure it is all of them because it's 467 pages long

Wayback Machine

web.archive.org

1 page for me

 

[Gardenista]

1 page for me

It should keep scrolling. Maybe try another device or different browser.

Or you could try going to Wayback and pasting this into the search bar.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wfsb.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/1a/a1a4eb36-37ab-11ea-8277-7318c2983cb5/5e1f2fcf017da.pdf.pdf

 

[afitzy]

Did anyone else laugh pretty hard when Fotis said in the interview that he believed Jennifer was still alive?

Actually no. I cried because I knew then that JF was not alive.

 

[Megnut]

Actually no. I cried because I knew then that JF was not alive.

I repeat it often -- criminals forget to unknow what they're not supposed to know. Can't recall how he worded it but something like "what happened" because to him it was a singular event, something to get through, get to the other side of. And this line: about people thinking he's a monster because of what's portrayed in the media and in the arrest warrant. That's right, Fotis, based on the facts, you are a monster. He knew about the blood evidence. Something terrible happened to the mother of his children. He didn't say that they're waiting for someone to be brought to justice! Which is what an innocent person would say or a person who was trying to play the part of one, if he weren't so self-smug. Fotis basically says he's waiting for it all to blow over. Same thing he told the defendant. Stay strong. It'll be over soon. He was more concerned about his time in jail and having to wear *gasp* orange than the tragic death of JFd and the pain the children were in. I'm reminded of the Cousin It interview given by Letecia Stauch, just days after she shot, stabbed, poisoned, burned, bludgeoned and murdered her stepson. When asked if she had a message for him, she said that, when he comes home, she wants everyone to apologize to her....

Fotis was waiting for it to blow over. The inconvenience was to him. That is one huge ugly ego.

And even his last act, it wasn't out of remorse, he just didn't want jail.

He's gone now but the damage he did lives on. That's his legacy.

I remain in awe of what GF, LA and CL are doing, keeping JFd's memory alive. Protecting and loving and growing Jennifer's children with grace and class. That is her legacy.

JMO

 

[DeDee]

What was the benefit to MT for Jennifer to die? Why would she undertake such a risk to her future freedom?

I think Michi made it her business to know how well Fore Group was performing. She realized FG was in a dismal financial spiral with a net profit needle near the negative because Fotis' homes weren't selling.

I think MT knew they would soon be evicted from 4JC by GF because Fotis never made a payment on the mansion after Jen moved out because her father had arranged the financing for the mansion in 2011. She'd be losing the palatial home she and her child called home. She wasn't willing to let that happen. But if Jennifer were gone, they'd get custody of the 5 children, in their dreams, and GF would never evict them.

JMOO

 

[glassheater]

What was the benefit to MT for Jennifer to die? Why would she undertake such a risk to her future freedom?

I think Michi made it her business to know how well Fore Group was performing. She realized FG was in a dismal financial spiral with a net profit needle near the negative because Fotis' homes weren't selling.

I think MT knew they would soon be evicted from 4JC by GF because Fotis never made a payment on the mansion after Jen moved out because her father had arranged the financing for the mansion in 2011. She'd be losing the palatial home she and her child called home. She wasn't willing to let that happen. But if Jennifer were gone, they'd get custody of the 5 children, in their dreams, and GF would never evict them.

JMOO

And access to the kids’ money as “child support”.

 

[DeDee]

JAN 2020
"Remember Michelle should be presumed innocent and she should be," stated AB to the press @ 5:37 in the video.

AB didn't say MT is innocent only that she should be presumed innocent. He knew her trial would be a lengthy courtroom battle that could not be won.

 

[afitzy]

I repeat it often -- criminals forget to unknown what they're not supposed to know. Can't recall how he worded it but something like "what happened" because to him it was a singular event, something to get through, get to the other side of. And this line: about people thinking he's a monster because if what's portrayed in the media and in the arrest warrant. That's right, Fotis, based on the facts, you are a monster. He knew about the blood evidence. Something terrible happened to the mother of his children. He didn't say that they're waiting for someone to be brought to justice! Which is what an innocent person would say or a person who was trying to play the part of one, if he weren't so self-smug. Fotis basically says he's waiting for it all to blow over. Same thing he told the defendant. Stay strong. It'll be over soon. He was more concerned about his time in jail and having to wear *gasp* orange than the tragic death of JFd and the pain the children were in. I'm reminded of the Cousin It interview given by Letecia Stauch, just days after she shot, stabbed, poisoned, burned, bludgeoned and murdered her stepson. When asked if she had a message for him, she said that, when he comes home, she wants everyone to apologize to her....

Fotis was waiting for it to blow over. The inconvenience was to him. That is one huge ugly ego.

And even his last act, it wasn't out of remorse or realization, he just didn't want jail.

He's gone now but the damage he did lives on. That's his legacy.

I remain on awe of what GF, LA and CL are doing, keeping JFd's memory alive. Protecting and loving and growing Jennifer's children with grace and class. That is her legacy.

JMO

Thank you for this brilliant reminder about FD and who he was.

Your words brought it all full circle for me, and I cried yet again.

What a tragedy all around for the family and friends and how brilliant GF has been to keep together a family broken apart by the hate, anger, jealousy and quest for revenge by FD and MT and KM (I see them all together and all in on this murder) as you so clearly point out in your OP.

I'm glad the FD interviews were posted again as its been a long time since they aired. Did I enjoy rewatching them? NO. But they were a good reminder about the power of narcissists and sociopaths to perpetrate evil on others, so I'm glad I rewatched them now amidst the trial of MT as they imo are HIGHLY RELEVANT to understand all that went on in this murder of JF.

The FD interviews hit home for me as a reminder of why we are sitting here watching the MT trial as she was the 'other half' of FD in this horrific crime perpetrated against JF and their children imo. I can just picture the couple sitting in the vast family room of 4JX having popcorn and watching the horror flicks that FD loved to watch and plotting their revenge against the one person they felt was responsible, JF. Its sick imo as are they BOTH.

But after watching a couple of the FD interviews again what struck me this time around was how similar FD responses were in the interviews to much of what we saw and heard from MT in the 6 hrs of interviews we have seen so far.

We never were able to do these comparisons before as we never had seen the full MT interviews. Seeing the parallels between these two individuals shook me and absolutely confirmed that FD and MT are two sides of the same coin. Sure the MT interviews had the classic latina faux drama of MT designed to manipulate her audience as there were no tears ever, but the substance of what MT was saying really was quite similar to that of FD in my opinion but just dressed in a different veneer and lacked the polished responses of FD. But, imo at their core FD and MT were perfectly matched as there was nothing either wouldn't do to accomplish their goals. Nothing. And they proved it with their murder of JF imo.

Its odd how responses to these interviews hit us each differently, some laugh, some cry as we all respond differently to tragedy I guess. I cried because nothing that happened in this tragedy needed to happen and the Dulos children didn't need to lose their mother. Time after time over the course of the divorce we saw from FD and MT choices in behaviour based in anger, hate, greed, jealousy and revenge and at NO TIME DO WE SEE EITHER FD OR MT thinking of either the Dulos children or MT daughter. Never imo as they simply cared about themselves first always.

But, there was one phrase in the MT first round of interviews that I don't think I will ever forget as to me it told me everything that I could possibly ever know about MT. I will have to go back and find the time stamp but for purposes of here I will just report the 'jist' of her response as I recall it.

LE kept asking MT for info about where JF might be, and per the non Alibi scripts, MT was saying over and over again that she didn't know and then repeating things from the list, but LE wasn't giving up and so would redirect MT every time the non alibi script nonsense was started by her and LE kept pressing a bit harder to see if there would be any response from MT and it was obvious IMO that MT was getting irritated and frustrated and later quite angry as she wasn't controlling the narrative in the interview and she finally said to LE, "I've already spent three weeks on this".....

Let that sink in.

I actually think that response might be one of the few true responses from MT in the many hours of interviews.

I remember rewinding 30 sec and then again to see the entire clip to make sure I heard it correctly. Sadly I was correct. MT was actually ANGRY at that time when JF was still 'missing' that her life had been inconvenienced and interrupted by all the time she was being required to spend with LE. She just wanted to repeat the non alibi script and go back to her life.

MT didn't care about missing/murdered JF imo here one bit. JF was someone she had never met who was standing in the way of what she wanted at the time which was a life with FD along with the JF money and children's trust funds. MT cared about nothing other than herself and not once even asked if the Dulos children were ok (she knew them 'well' she said) and she had to be prompted by LE to even consider her own daughter as part of her decision making process.

In FD and MT I see nothing but hate and anger towards JF and by extension GF and I think these two very basic emotions touched every single decision made by both FD and MT in their decision to eliminate the person they held responsible for their "inconvenience" and inability to obtain immediate financial gratification to live the life they felt ENTITLED to.

FD use of the word "MONSTER" in one of the interviews to describe what he felt others might think of him, was always one choice of his that stayed with me because I think it was perhaps one accurate response from him in that particular interview. I think he realised that what he had done was monstrous but clearly would never admit it or feel guilt about it either imo!

FWIW I believe FD AND MT to be monsters who feel no guilt and certainly no remorse for anything they have done, so I very much look forward to watching the remainder of the State's presentation at the trial and finding out what the jury thinks.

MOO