GUILTY CT - Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 48, & 2 daughters killed in home invasion, 23 July 2007

[joe jones]

judge says closings on Tuesday, jury charges on Tuesday then deliberations from Wednesday next week not this

 

[PrairieWind]

judge denies motion for mistrial but has said if anybody from family or supporters of Petit approach jurors again he will be ruthless in banning them from court

it has given Komisarjevsky possible appellate route which once again will prolong the Petit families agony if they have to relive it again

It gives a possible appeal issue, but they'll have to show it affected the witness testimony. The juror that was spoken to should just be dismissed and replaced with an alternate. This all shouldnt drag out the appeal process since all the issues are brought at the same time.

On another note, the jury should not be using the same entrance at the same time as the general public. In such a high profile case, it seems odd they are doing it that way.

 

[joe jones]

http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2011...ion?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

what was said and by whom

 

[PrairieWind]

So here comes the testimony about where gasoline was found. Gasoline was found on the pants of JK. I'm sure defense will come up with an explanation, but certainly the jury is going to likely believe it got there from pouring the gas around the house.

 

[joypath]

It gives a possible appeal issue, but they'll have to show it affected the witness testimony. The juror that was spoken to should just be dismissed and replaced with an alternate. This all shouldnt drag out the appeal process since all the issues are brought at the same time.

On another note, the jury should not be using the same entrance at the same time as the general public. In such a high profile case, it seems odd they are doing it that way.

:innocent: Just a tiny point of interest: The entrance to the courts (yep, MANY floors in the building and MANY types of cases are heard/presented here) often has "traffic congestion" at certain time periods BUT the area if monitored by marshalls. Legal reps., visitors, potential jurors, & witnesses enter through the same entrance, there is an employee entrance and of course, the entrance for those under commitment status. Naturally one enters and undergoes the good ole metal screening, those with frequent judicial business (aka KNOWN BY THE MARSHALLS BY SIGHT (read: LE, ME, FD, ASA) are often "scooped" out of line and shuffled thru a MANUAL check when the line is L O N G.

ALL JURORS in EVERY trial ARE GIVEN IDENTIFICATION that is EXPECTED to be VISIBLE AT ALL TIMES, especially emphasized that it be observable when the juror is "OUTSIDE" (lunch, breaks, evacuations!).

:twocents: My take on the comment: a congrats for serving, THAT's it! :rocker: 'specially since NO FURTHER classification of the "serving" was rendered!

PS: fightening thought: there were many students present FRIDAY.............from a criminal justice program :banghead: :waitasec: :banghead:

 

[joypath]

So here comes the testimony about where gasoline was found. Gasoline was found on the pants of JK. I'm sure defense will come up with an explanation, but certainly the jury is going to likely believe it got there from pouring the gas around the house.

WATCH for the claim that the gasoline was "pre-existing" as time stamping chemical saturation on clothing is impossible!:banghead:

 

[joypath]

Donovan is going to use the traditional defense claim: sloppy investigational/laboratoy/testing techniques thus jury should disregard the gasoline evidence

 

[joypath]

LUNCH BREAK.............Doovan appears to be perplexed, I'm thinking he's a bit unsure re: the bootsand how far to go with the cross, 'specially regarding the "yellow substance" that WASN'T present when primary testing was done

 

[PrairieWind]

:innocent: Just a tiny point of interest: The entrance to the courts (yep, MANY floors in the building and MANY types of cases are heard/presented here) often has "traffic congestion" at certain time periods BUT the area if monitored by marshalls. Legal reps., visitors, potential jurors, & witnesses enter through the same entrance, there is an employee entrance and of course, the entrance for those under commitment status. Naturally one enters and undergoes the good ole metal screening, those with frequent judicial business (aka KNOWN BY THE MARSHALLS BY SIGHT (read: LE, ME, FD, ASA) are often "scooped" out of line and shuffled thru a MANUAL check when the line is L O N G.

ALL JURORS in EVERY trial ARE GIVEN IDENTIFICATION that is EXPECTED to be VISIBLE AT ALL TIMES, especially emphasized that it be observable when the juror is "OUTSIDE" (lunch, breaks, evacuations!).

:twocents: My take on the comment: a congrats for serving, THAT's it! :rocker: 'specially since NO FURTHER classification of the "serving" was rendered!

PS: fightening thought: there were many students present FRIDAY.............from a criminal justice program :banghead: :waitasec: :banghead:

Thanks for the info. I still think the judge should be doing more to protect the integrity of the jury. Especially in light of the allegations of the defense already. I would have the jury meet at specific time and have bailiffs bring them in an employee entrance. I dont think the statement made is likely to reverse/remand the case, but it would be better to just avoid the temptation for it to happen again.

 

[joe jones]

if defence is going to argue the gasoline eveidence they need to focus on his gloves, as if no gas on his gloves it means he never touched the containers to pour the gas

 

[weedemout]

is this being televised somewhere?

 

[PrairieWind]

if defence is going to argue the gasoline eveidence they need to focus on his gloves, as if no gas on his gloves it means he never touched the containers to pour the gas

I'm sure that will be a major focus of the defense, in closing if nothing else.

I guess there is no reason that gasoline would have HAD to have gotten on his gloves. The jugs weren't normal gas cans, so if Hayes had filled them at the station by putting the nozzle inside the jug and hadn't spilled, there wouldn't have been any gas on the outside of the jugs. I've also wondered if JK didnt have more than one pair of gloves.

 

[jilly]

Thanks for the info. I still think the judge should be doing more to protect the integrity of the jury. Especially in light of the allegations of the defense already. I would have the jury meet at specific time and have bailiffs bring them in an employee entrance. I dont think the statement made is likely to reverse/remand the case, but it would be better to just avoid the temptation for it to happen again.

I agree but from the cases I've followed, it seems like it's only when a jury is sequestered that they get an escort to and from the courthouse unless maybe it's requested by the jury as in the Brad Cooper case after their verdict.

 

[jilly]

I'm sure that will be a major focus of the defense, in closing if nothing else.

I guess there is no reason that gasoline would have HAD to have gotten on his gloves. The jugs weren't normal gas cans, so if Hayes had filled them at the station by putting the nozzle inside the jug and hadn't spilled, there wouldn't have been any gas on the outside of the jugs. I've also wondered if JK didnt have more than one pair of gloves.

What kind of containers were they? I forget.

 

[jilly]

is this being televised somewhere?

nope.

 

[Madeleine74]

JK did have more than one pair of gloves because additional latex gloves were found on the floor in the front seat the the car he and SH were stealing to make their getaway. I remember seeing a picture of it. And of course JK had on a pair of gloves. Dr. Petit may have had gloves at home, being a doctor and all, so if that was true, that could have been an additional source.

I think JK is as culpable of that fire as is SH and as such should receive the DP.

 

[PrairieWind]

What kind of containers were they? I forget.

They were jugs that held windshield washer fluid that had been dumped.

 

[weedemout]

These two are animals. Absolutely animals.

This is purely human. Animals are not this cruel.

 

[JSR]

This is purely human. Animals are not this cruel.

Good point.

 

[joe jones]

http://www.courant.com/community/ch...sarjevsky-day10-1004-20111003,0,5555834.story

seems the gas was found on Komisarjevskys boots, trousers and top, not on gloves, as I expected defence focused on no gas found on gloves