Cynthia Short-Local Attorney no longer representing Irwin and Bradley

[MyBelle]

If a trial comes about for murder of the baby, either the defense or the prosecution (or both) may need the video to show what condition the home was in, what was in the home and at what time period, the home may also be searched again, therefore this video is evidence. This video was filmed after LE was there, either side could need it. The film may be in possession of the media, but the Court may deem it necessary to properly defend or prosecute to show what is in the film. The film then belongs to the Court via subpoena, and any further Courts that may need it for Appeals, Habeas, or anything further.

I still have no idea why you think the family's defense attorney would be called to testify about a news video. I'll believe it when it actually happens.

JMO

 

[21merc7]

I still have no idea why you think the family's defense attorney would be called to testify about a news video. I'll believe it when it actually happens.

JMO

It may, it may not. The video is evidence if needed. That is the point. There are no charges against the family, so if there never are any, it may never be needed. Even if there are charges, it may never be needed, but she put herself in position of a witness.

The point is, any attorney with enough experience would never put themselves in that position. The attorney can always go to a scene and do whatever sort of film they wish, just not with the local media filming it, and, releasing it to the public. It is lawyer 101, and JT most likely informed her as such.

The film is simply evidence if needed. If it is needed, the attorney would be a witness to the filming as she is the major participant. She can no longer be the attorney. Hence the purpose of the thread and today's announcement that she is not an attorney for the family anymore.

 

[luckyme]

It went to voicemail, my take is that she didn't realize she had been called so she couldn't know who left no message for the 50 seconds the messaging system was active. Obviously it could be a pocket dialed call and most likely already been triangulated and eliminated or other by LE.

The parents are obviously key, their non cooperation is much more egregious than the woman who received the random call she never answered.

I agree!!! But im gonna say this! I think one of those phones were in working order. I believe it was debbies dads phone. Somebody might have dialed the wrong number and it went to voice mail. moo

 

[MyBelle]

It may, it may not. The video is evidence if needed. That is the point. There are no charges against the family, so if there never are any, it may never be needed. Even if there are charges, it may never be needed, but she put herself in position of a witness.

The point is, any attorney with enough experience would never put themselves in that position. The attorney can always go to a scene and do whatever sort of film they wish, just not with the local media filming it, and, releasing it to the public. It is lawyer 101, and JT most likely informed her as such.

The film is simply evidence if needed. If it is needed, the attorney would be a witness to the filming as she is the major participant. She can no longer be the attorney. Hence the purpose of the thread and today's announcement that she is not an attorney for the family anymore.

Evidence of what? Witness to what? Whatever the attorney said or saw on that video was also seen by the photographer and any other people who were there. I don't see what possible evidentiary value it could be to either side.

 

[curiositycat]

I have been thinking about this off and on all day. IMHO JT did the wrong thing to tangle with CS. I wouldn't want to tangle with her. BIG MISTAKE.

IMO he should have put his ego "away" and found a way to get along with her. I just get the feeling that she is not the type of woman who puts up with a NY attorney firing her. MOO

 

[Scamperoo]

I'm reading that JT actually wanted the boys to be interviewed and Short didn't....anyone else see this anywhere ?

 

[curiositycat]

I'm reading that JT actually wanted the boys to be interviewed and Short didn't....anyone else see this anywhere ?

Do you, by any chance, have a link. Shep Smith had two attorney's on his program this afternoon. The one with glasses, sorry can't remember his name, said JT didn't want the kids to meet with LE, and he wouldn't either if he was the attorney.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I'm reading that JT actually wanted the boys to be interviewed and Short didn't....anyone else see this anywhere ?

I haven't read that - Do you have a link please? TIA.

 

[annalia]

I'm reading that JT actually wanted the boys to be interviewed and Short didn't....anyone else see this anywhere ?

I haven't. There was an article today that said that JT cancelled the meeting.

 

[mysteriew]

I agree!!! But im gonna say this! I think one of those phones were in working order. I believe it was debbies dads phone. Somebody might have dialed the wrong number and it went to voice mail. moo

I thought of that too. Like maybe the dialed number was close to another number that she wanted to call. If her phone was broken, she could have been looking at her phone for the number and dialing on another phone.Esp. if you were in an emotional state.

But 50 seconds would be too long for a wrong number, and esp a wrong number that went to voice mail. I do feel there is something fishy there.

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm reading that JT actually wanted the boys to be interviewed and Short didn't....anyone else see this anywhere ?

check out some of the links I posted in the msm thread.. it is a possibility

 

[Pinkhammer]

I was wondering about that. I wonder if Tacopina was the one giving orders and Cynthia was the one carrying them out. And maybe she decided enough was enough and told him she wouldn't do his dirty work from now on...

I said that Cyndy looked awfully uncomfortable defending DB on TV.

Thank God--a lawyer with a conscience!

 

[Scamperoo]

Do you, by any chance, have a link. Shep Smith had two attorney's on his program this afternoon. The one with glasses, sorry can't remember his name, said JT didn't want the kids to meet with LE, and he wouldn't either if he was the attorney.

I was reading at another site and they said it had just been announced on fox news, so I was trying to confirm but can't find it.

 

[Just K]

I can't believe LE hasn't held a PC on this. I can't be the only one who is aghast she is being allowed to just say I don't know who answered my phone, and "that's that, oh well, kind of wish we knew". Okay back to the important stuff like a dog hitting on a carpet and they won't let us interrogate them without their lawyers.

This is it. This call, to this woman is the key and it's being treated like no big deal.

(I don't know who she is. She doesn't seem to have any direct connections to the Irwins).

Maybe her boyfriend did? The one she drove through the Irwin neighborhood with... or maybe her number is one off from someone well known to the investigation. A call that lasted 50 seconds could have simply been a pocket dial and went only to her voicemail. Wonder who owned her phone number before she did?

 

[mysteriew]

I agree somewhat, but she can still be called as witness. Even if she was still the attorney, the prosecutor could stop - talk with the Judge (if the tape is needed) and have her pulled as a witness. She could no longer be the attorney, which does not matter now, but she would be pulled and another assigned. Now she can just be a witness, no longer attorney of nothing, just a citizen witness in the case. I have seen it happen a lot of times. Federal cases are the worst for this. Oh, and I mean only for the tape of the tour she hosted, nothing about anything discussed, unless they told her where the baby is of course.

As a crime scene the home was already contaminated when she went in. LE had done their search, I am sure they took pics and probably filmed too. Then when she went in with the film crew, she also contaminated the scene. Anything in that home at that point could have been arranged by her or the film crew. It's not likely that she will be called as a witness for that.

 

[mysteriew]

This is our defense team. No this lawyer is leaving and will be replaced with another. It is beginning to sound like another case I know of. Though it is starting earlier than the other case.

 

[Just K]

I agree!!! But im gonna say this! I think one of those phones were in working order. I believe it was debbies dads phone. Somebody might have dialed the wrong number and it went to voice mail. moo

HUMMMM!!!!! When one is programming in old numbers from one phone to another it is very easy to hit call instead of store. Simple explaination, DB was loading numbers and this numbered was either entered a digit or two off or it is a number that used to belong to someone DB knew. If either is true, then DB was not asleep at that time and one of the phones did work.

 

[Just K]

Programming the old phone might explain the clicking noises, too.

 

[madge]

but according to Deborahs statements she was "sleeping" or "blacked out" when this call was made.

 

[EllaMae]

I respectfully disagree. He got the job he was hired for done.

But anyway, that's neither here nor there.

Against almost extraordianry odds too....
Baez raised enough doubt in the jury's mind that they thought there were serious issues with the State's case on the cause of death. That was the reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. Baez did do a good job, whether we like the outcome or not.
I didn't like the result of OJ's murder trial either, but his defense team was brilliant.

DB and JI will need better lawyers than Joe T<modsnip>if they ever face a murder trial. Jurors in KC would dislike him immediately.