Darlie Routier on Death Row

[Jeana (DP)]

You left out the not I think. Maybe some pent-up feelings there?

Nope, just not a very good typist!

 

[Goody]

Question: I know Darlie was convicted in 1997 so she's been on DR almost 9 years now but I don't know about the appeals process, etc. and I'm wondering where she's at as far as that goes now. If she loses, how much time would she have remaining before the execution is carried out?

Thanks in advance for your answers and for alleviating the confusion of a fellow WSer! :blowkiss:

Darlie just started her federal appeals process so no date for execution will be set anytime soon, esp if she gets a new trial. All bets will be off then.

 

[Dani_T]

I don't know how much time she may have left. I think her sentence was justified, but I'm going to be doing any cartwheels when they execute her. Her only living son will mourn her. Her family will mourn her. They're innocent in all of this too. No winners here.

I agree DP

 

[Daisy]

Thanks for your answers everyone! If she doesn't get a new trial, the clock is ticking at about 2-3 years left then. But if she does get a new trial and she gets convicted (and rightly so, in my opinion) again AND gets the death penalty again, does the appeals process start all over again for another 10-12 years? If so, that could be what she's banking on to buy some more time.

What do you think her chances are of getting a new trial? If she does get a new trial, do you think she'll be convicted again and resentenced to the death penalty?

Oh, one more question. I can't remember this as there are so many details to this case......did the Routier's have life insurance policies on Damon & Devon and, if so, approximately how much were the boys insured for?

I'm a "Darlie did it" person, by the way.

Sorry for all my questions...I just haven't followed this case as close lately due to other cases such as Laci, Wacko Jacko, etc. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I do know that some of my questions are things that we can only speculate on......so go ahead and speculate please! Thanks again! :blowkiss:

 

[Desilu]

Oh, one more question. I can't remember this as there are so many details to this case......did the Routier's have life insurance policies on Damon & Devon and, if so, approximately how much were the boys insured for?

$5000 for each boy.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Thanks for your answers everyone! If she doesn't get a new trial, the clock is ticking at about 2-3 years left then. But if she does get a new trial and she gets convicted (and rightly so, in my opinion) again AND gets the death penalty again, does the appeals process start all over again for another 10-12 years? If so, that could be what she's banking on to buy some more time.

What do you think her chances are of getting a new trial? If she does get a new trial, do you think she'll be convicted again and resentenced to the death penalty?

Oh, one more question. I can't remember this as there are so many details to this case......did the Routier's have life insurance policies on Damon & Devon and, if so, approximately how much were the boys insured for?

I'm a "Darlie did it" person, by the way.

Sorry for all my questions...I just haven't followed this case as close lately due to other cases such as Laci, Wacko Jacko, etc. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I do know that some of my questions are things that we can only speculate on......so go ahead and speculate please! Thanks again! :blowkiss:

I don't think she'll get a new trial.
IF she did, she would find herself back on death row, where the appeals process WOULD begin from scratch.
I'm not sure what you mean by "what she's banking on." Most people on death row do everything in his or her power to stay there as long as they can. I think that Darlie has the right to avail herself of the entire process, but at the end of the day, the State will get its sentence carried out.

 

[Daisy]

I don't think she'll get a new trial.
IF she did, she would find herself back on death row, where the appeals process WOULD begin from scratch.
I'm not sure what you mean by "what she's banking on." Most people on death row do everything in his or her power to stay there as long as they can. I think that Darlie has the right to avail herself of the entire process, but at the end of the day, the State will get its sentence carried out.

I meant that while she certainly doesn't want to end up on DR again (or even in prison, for that matter) that if she did get a new trial and still got the death penalty, she'd have bought herself another 10-12 years. So I guess I was saying in a roundabout way the same thing you are.

Thanks, everyone, for your answers! I really appreciate them!

 

[Daisy]

$5000 for each boy.

Thanks, Desilu! How much in debt were the Routier's? Would $10,000 even made a dent in their debt at all? (That's if $$$ was one of the factors - and there could have been many factors - that played into the deaths of those two little boys.)

I should have called this thread "20 Questions from Daisy", huh? :crazy:

 

[HeartofTexas]

They spent more than the $10,000 received for the two boys on their funeral, so the funeral actually put them even more in debt.

 

[Goody]

They spent more than the $10,000 received for the two boys on their funeral, so the funeral actually put them even more in debt.

I thought they received donations for what the funeral costs exceeded the $10,000. I think I heard that the airplane that flew overhead with the message in the sky was donated.

 

[Goody]

Thanks, Desilu! How much in debt were the Routier's? Would $10,000 even made a dent in their debt at all? (That's if $$$ was one of the factors - and there could have been many factors - that played into the deaths of those two little boys.)

I should have called this thread "20 Questions from Daisy", huh? :crazy:

The state brought in figures about their debt. I believe it is covered in Darlie's and Darin's testimony. You can find that in the trial transcripts at justicefordarlie.com.

 

[Goody]

Thanks for your answers everyone! If she doesn't get a new trial, the clock is ticking at about 2-3 years left then. But if she does get a new trial and she gets convicted (and rightly so, in my opinion) again AND gets the death penalty again, does the appeals process start all over again for another 10-12 years? If so, that could be what she's banking on to buy some more time.

No, I think she wants to get out of prison and that is what she is aiming at.

What do you think her chances are of getting a new trial? If she does get a new trial, do you think she'll be convicted again and resentenced to the death penalty? {/QUOTE]

I don't know what her chances are, but she does have some technicality issues that might be viewed differently at the federal level than the state level. We will have to wait and see what happens there.

But if she does get a new trial and she doesn't take the opportunity to come clean and tell what really happened that night, I think she will get the DP again. And this time she won't get another chance. So I would say the outcome will be up to Darlie. That wide eyed little girl I don't know anything look didn't float last time and it won't the next time either (if she even gets a next time).

 

[Jeana (DP)]

No, I think she wants to get out of prison and that is what she is aiming at.

What do you think her chances are of getting a new trial? If she does get a new trial, do you think she'll be convicted again and resentenced to the death penalty? {/QUOTE]

I don't know what her chances are, but she does have some technicality issues that might be viewed differently at the federal level than the state level. We will have to wait and see what happens there.

But if she does get a new trial and she doesn't take the opportunity to come clean and tell what really happened that night, I think she will get the DP again. And this time she won't get another chance. So I would say the outcome will be up to Darlie. That wide eyed little girl I don't know anything look didn't float last time and it won't the next time either (if she even gets a next time).

Darlie's problem in any new trial will be . . . Darlie's own words. They'll come back to haunt her once again. Even if she's smart enough to not testify a second time, the prosecutor will find a way to get her testimony from the first trial in there and she'll hang herself.

 

[Goody]

Darlie's problem in any new trial will be . . . Darlie's own words. They'll come back to haunt her once again. Even if she's smart enough to not testify a second time, the prosecutor will find a way to get her testimony from the first trial in there and she'll hang herself.

Good point. He certainly was pretty slick at getting in what Darin told everyone (or almost everyone) in the months leading up to the trial without having those people testifiy.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

There's a channel called "WE" (Women's Entertainment). I just saw a commercial for a television show featuring five women on death row and guess what? Little Darlie Routier is one of them. Of couse she'll all dolled up and playing victim. Its on Monday night at 8:00 eastern time--7:00 p.m. in Texas. There's a repeat at midnight. This is one we haven't seen before.

 

[feenix]

There's a channel called "WE" (Women's Entertainment). I just saw a commercial for a television show featuring five women on death row and guess what? Little Darlie Routier is one of them. Of couse she'll all dolled up and playing victim. Its on Monday night at 8:00 eastern time--7:00 p.m. in Texas. There's a repeat at midnight. This is one we haven't seen before.

Aw, I miss all the good programmes, I'm going to have to emigrate to the US!! Ha Ha

 

[deanws]

There's a channel called "WE" (Women's Entertainment). I just saw a commercial for a television show featuring five women on death row and guess what? Little Darlie Routier is one of them. Of couse she'll all dolled up and playing victim. Its on Monday night at 8:00 eastern time--7:00 p.m. in Texas. There's a repeat at midnight. This is one we haven't seen before.

Did they take your lifetime and lifetime movie network and replace it with "we" too?

 

[beesy]

Did they take your lifetime and lifetime movie network and replace it with "we" too?

No, we still have all 3, plus the O channel

 

[deanws]

No, we still have all 3, plus the O channel

:slap: not fair!!!

 

[Bobbisangel]

I watched this program tonight " Women On Death Row" and it is really good.
They covered quite a few cases. One case that really touched me was about a young women who was 17 yrs when she was accused of murdering her little baby. Her defense attorney didn't put on any witnesses and her family weren't allowed to attend the trial. Sebrina Butler and a neighbor tried to give the baby CPR when he had stopped breathing and they didn't know how to do it right on a baby. She was accused of abuse which led to murder because of the injurys to the baby. She did get a second trial with witnesses and evidence that hadn't been shown in the first trial. She had been on death row for 6 yrs before she got a second trial. She was found "Not Guilty" by a jury of her peers. Such a shame. Sebrina and one of the prison workers who had always believed in her innocence ended up getting married...having 3 children and have been married for 10 yrs now.

Darlie's story was on too. She wasn't shown. Her attorney has requested of her not to do anymore media stuff. A woman who had attended the trial everyday was on. She was writing a book on the story. When Darlie was found guilty she believed that she was guilty. She had no doubt in her mind.
After the trial she was given pictures of all of the evidence for her book. As she looked at all of the pictures of evidence she began to have doubts. She said that a lot of the evidence...pictures weren't shown to the jury. Pictures that raised a question in her mind. She also said that there was a thumb print that the police had found that didn't match the thumb print of anyone in the household. There was the sock with one of the boy's blood found down an ally but there was also a butcher knife stuck in the ground by the sock that the police saw but didn't take in for evidence. They were told to go back and get the knife about 3 months later. They got it then. She said that at first the cops said that the screen was cut from the inside. At the trial they did admit that it was cut from the outside.

This author really has her doubts that Darlie murdered the boys. She was a confirmed believer of Darlie's guilt right up to the guilty verdict. After getting all of the pictures of the evidence and especially the evidence that the Pros didn't bring into the trial she doesn't believe that Darlie murdered the boys.

My question is...why didn't the Pros bring all of the evidence into the trial?
Why would they pick and choose the evidence to show the jury? In my mind, you show all of the evidence...every little bit of it. You let the jury know that there is a thumb print that hasn't been identified. You hold nothing back and then let the jury decide by seeing all of the evidence. This doesn't make sense to me. It makes me uncomfortable. I don't know if Darlie murdered her children. I would like to hear what her reasoning would have been. To what advantage? I think it is wrong to hold back evidence. It is unfair to Darlie and unfair to the jury. If I was on a jury and later found out that we hadn't been shown all of the evidence I would be really upset. Upset enough to raise a fuss. If a person's life was in my hands I would want to know everything...see everything in order to make the right decision...a decision that I could live with and feel right about.

This author had nothing to gain or lose by changing her mind after seeing all of the evidence. She was only writing a book so it really didn't matter which way the verdict went. I believe what she said and believe that Darlie should get a new trial with all of the evidence. If she is found guilty then...then so be it. But a jury should have all of the facts to work with...not some of them.