***Day 3 -Committal Hearing*** 11th,12,13th March 2013

[westie]

i've been re-reading a lot of stuff from the past 12 mths and the only thing i can consistently see is inconsistencies in GBC's stories and a lot of fancy footwork from his legals with regard to what 'may' have happened to ABC. There has definitely been a lot of clutching at straws and attempts to manipulate information to suit the circumstances at the appropriate time. If you look at the reasons given at both bail hearings by GBC's defence team as to why GBC shouldn't be considered as a suspect, it all looks very 'constructed' and relies purely upon evidence at hand at the time.
At this point, i can only hope that the forensics team that searched the family home was prudent enough to take photos of the garden and i hope that perhaps they found signs of broken/disturbed vegetation that may indicate an impact of some description.

 

[BJsleuth]

not sure how long allison had resumed her zoloft before her death, but isnt the first month of taking certain antidepressants a dangerous time for a suicidal or depressed person, dont some of them cause an increase in suicidal feelings to begin with?
just wondering if the defence will question this?

The ballet friend yesterday sort of said that Allison had resumed taking them at the end of 2011. She did give a month but I can't remember what it was. Allison had taken these antidepressants before for periods of time so I think if that was going to occur, she would have already known it from past experience and would have been prepared for it?

 

[Ippygal]

John Taylor‏@_JohnTaylor_

Prof Wells says trying to think apart from fingernails what may caused scratches but says to Defence "I might leave that to you"#badenclay

 

[DrWatson]

The way it works usually is that a phone is continually 'talking' to multiple cell towers - each cell tower has an idea of 'how close' the phone is to it by measuring response times from itself to each of the towers that its internal radio can 'see'. These can be logged by the Telco and have been used to locate people in emergencies... by triangulation.

When you actually make a call, there is a log event that logs that call to a particular cell tower, sure, but all of the other cell registration events will show up in all towers that the cellular device could contact. This has been used to triangulate in to devices by emergency services.

You can use this data to even identify when a device wasn't on - or in 'flight mode' - as it is no longer registering itself with the cellular network. Some crims turn their phone off to stop showing up at all. This is also a red flag of sorts...

All that said... Telco's don't make it easy to get this info. And we have quite a few different providers. Each has different log retention policies. I'm pretty sure that they actually charge law enforcement to access them!! (call it cost recovery).

Yes, I'm aware of the triangulation. But the problem at Brookfield (sorry, don't know if you're a local or not) is that towers are few and far between, as it is a semi-rural area. And that was the problem in trying to locate Allison's phone, even though it was switched on. It triangulated to an area covering several kilometres. Then we were told that it was located to an area of around 150m - probably from the Find My Friends app being run from GBC's phone - but the phone could not be found. And finally, we were told that it had connected to the Fig Tree Pocket tower until the batteries ran flat 13 hours or so later. And that FTP tower is quite some distance away.

So triangulation - even using pingers from helicopters (they had army Blackhawks involved in the search, and I gather they were using locator pingers) - was very vague and highly inaccurate.

The whereabouts of Allison's phone remains a mystery - it has never been found. And I think that's where the problem may lie in relation to using location tracking on GBC's phone, if he was smart enough to turn his local tracking apps off.

Like you - I will be intrigued to hear what comes up regarding all this - if the defence has decided to cross-examine the witnesses who are involved in the phone location(s).

Thanks for your thoughts and ideas

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I wonder if any of those Doctors will be called to give evidence at any time either now or when or if it goes to trial.
Not that they would be more expert than an expert but maybe have some other info re his behaviour or words etc.
Or would that be patient confidentiality.

Thanks everyone for your input. Especially to you court reporters! By the evidence presented, to me it sounds like Gerard tried to cover up the scratches by inflicting a razor cut from his shaver, we know that he then went to no less than 3 doctors to be checked out. When that wasn't enough he crashed his car at Indooroopilly Shoppingtown.

 

[Mystique75]

John Taylor‏@_JohnTaylor_

Prof Wells says trying to think apart from fingernails what may caused scratches but says to Defence "I might leave that to you"#badenclay

:great: I like this guy!

 

[Ms Annie]

This is not a reply to anything but on catching up with all the news from the Court, I wondered whether the police had taken the "blunt" razor to examine it in terms of it causing cuts to GBC's face? Has anyone heard anything to suggest that the razor will be produced in evidence? It could obviously it could be vital to the prosecution case as they could have had it tested to see if it was likely to cause cuts.

Just MO

 

[FruitTingles]

Twitter seems quiet. I'll take a little break now if you want to keep going Ippygal.

 

[Strangeworld]

John Taylor‏@_JohnTaylor_

Prof Wells says trying to think apart from fingernails what may caused scratches but says to Defence "I might leave that to you"#badenclay

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Ippygal]

i was thinking the same.... it has been quiet... i nearly nodded off sitting here refreshing my page over and over, lol.... I'll keep an eye out for now

 

[Ippygal]

Kate Kyriacou‏@KateKyriacou

Lots of intricate discussion on the edge and curve of the wounds, whether the cuts are regular or irregular. #badenclay

 

[BJsleuth]

John Taylor‏@_JohnTaylor_

Prof Wells says trying to think apart from fingernails what may caused scratches but says to Defence "I might leave that to you"#badenclay

I love this guy, kind of saying "I'm not doing your work for you!" hahaha

 

[Ippygal]

Matt Macklin‏@matty456

"Most shaving injuries pick off skin, elevations of skin will be shaved off," - Prof Wells #BadenClay

 

[bearbear]

The ballet friend yesterday sort of said that Allison had resumed taking them at the end of 2011. She did give a month but I can't remember what it was. Allison had taken these antidepressants before for periods of time so I think if that was going to occur, she would have already known it from past experience and would have been prepared for it?

yes, thats true, and she was obviously comfortable taking them as needed, even if she hated the idea of them, they must have worked for her.

 

[breno84]

Don't have an opinion on the first 2 but crushed up Zoloft would be SOOOOOO bitter it would render meal inedible, plus I doubt that he would have cooked much and the mere presence of a prepared meal would have set off alarm bells for Allison. ?. MOO!

Absolutely spot on. I made the mistake of chewing up a Zoloft pill once to see if it would work faster, and HOT DAMN never again! Burns worse than eating a whole chilli. So I think we can discount that theory.

 

[marlywings]

12.26pm: Prof Wells said the wounds on Baden-Clay's face and neck were not sustained in the "hour or hours" before the photographs were taken on the morning of April 20.

''They could not have occurred in one, perhaps two, even three hours...after that it becomes speculative,'' he said.

''These injuries have a number of features that I would associate with the application of force through fingernails."

But Prof Wells said he could not exclude other objects doing the same damage.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...eam-in-the-night/story-e6freoof-1226596271477

 

[FruitTingles]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou


Lots of intricate discussion on the edge and curve of the wounds, whether the cuts are regular or irregular. #badenclay

 

[Thinking]

It's been rumoured locally ever since the body was found that one or more hands were missing from the body (apologies to lunch eaters). If true, I wonder if it would still be possible to determine fingernail shape (sorry) and the damage they might cause?

On this one, I'm certain this dr said he saw the middle three fingers of both hands. I immediately thought that this would dispel that hands rumour once and for all.

 

[FruitTingles]

i was thinking the same.... it has been quiet... i nearly nodded off sitting here refreshing my page over and over, lol.... I'll keep an eye out for now

I was nodding off lol. Let me know when you want a break

 

[Ippygal]

John Taylor‏@_JohnTaylor_

Prof Wells says there is a disappointingly sparse amount of scientific literature on shaving injuries. #badenclay