***Day 3 -Committal Hearing*** 11th,12,13th March 2013

[westie]

I have actually been attacked by 2 types of caterpillars in the past (crazy gardener here) and i can assure all of u that scratching the wound would be the LAST thing u would want to do.
'Spitfire' caterpillars spit an acid on u (correct me if i'm wrong doc) and it BURNS.
The other type we call 'abseiling' caterpillars, as they descend from trees, have irritating spines, or fur if u like. These also BURN when they get into your skin, i believe because of their structure, and scratching the area would just make it much worse, releasing more into your skin, as does application of heat. BOTH types of caterpillar attack leave nasty, raised welts that can actually resemble a nice scald., but i've never seen bruising from them.
As a side note, if u are ever attacked by these 'abseiling' caterpillars, apply sticky tape to the area and pull off, repeatedly until the spines are gone.

 

[Trooper]

stip!!> of course, I mean strip. eating pineapple and typing isnt reccommended

 

[Venus13]

Wonder if this will be consistent with bite marks - eg to a smothering hand over the mouth?

Chipped tooth?

 

[BJsleuth]

in Gerards Record of Interview.. taped the morning of Allisons disappearance by the two detectives called in by Constable Ash, at his home , Gerard had an explanation for each and every visible mark on him. He didnt mention the chest stuff, or the shoulder stuff.., at that interview.. * (not to be confused with his non statement at the police station* ).. the two detectives didnt stip him, and he didnt pull off his shirt, but there were shaving incidents, a cut hand from inserting a ligh globe at a house he was 'launching' that day. .. ( that also was the explanation of Nige and the vacuum cleaner ) ... caterpillars, etc..

he'd been very uncoordinated in the previous 24 hours...

I often get bumps, bruises and scratches and what not on me and I couldn't tell you how they happened or when and I have a really good long term memory. The fact he can account for all of them amazes me.

 

[Strangeworld]

That's it isn't it!! He smothered her with his hand. She chipped her tooth in the process. She bit him, perhaps he then used something else to finish. He startled her first, she knew what he was trying to do and faught hard. Of course all MOO.

I actually read the statement as meaning it probably wouldn't be caused by Allison's teeth as her front one was out of alignment with the other teeth, and that wasn't seen in the injury?

 

[alioop]

That's it isn't it!! He smothered her with his hand. She chipped her tooth in the process. She bit him, perhaps he then used something else to finish. He startled her first, she knew what he was trying to do and faught hard. Of course all MOO.

Or maybe the hand over her mouth was just to quiet her at some point prior to killing her by whatever means.

 

[The Falcon]

IMO GBC got the injury on his chest by falling against furniture/object at the house, or slammed the car boot on himself in the dark at the bridge, and got his thumb sprain on the door handle when the door hit his chest. Most shaving cuts occur when you slice a pimple or drag at an angle and use too much pressure. Mostly with a new razor. Most times under the chin or near the Adams Apple. It is possible GBC deliberately tried to hide the initial scratches by further razor scraps.Have they interviewed the 3 doctors he saw. Was he aggitated. The scratches would sting like crazy and weep for a couple of hours then go dry and shiny to look at, with reddish colour surrounding them. Hot to the touch.
About the gloves. Did they find a similar one at the house or in the car. That finger tip is crucial in linking the crime scene where Allison was found back to the house.

 

[alioop]

IMO GBC got the injury on his chest by falling against furniture/object at the house, or slammed the car boot on himself in the dark at the bridge, and got his thumb sprain on the door handle when the door hit his chest. Most shaving cuts occur when you slice a pimple or drag at an angle and use too much pressure. Mostly with a new razor. Most times under the chin or near the Adams Apple. It is possible GBC deliberately tried to hide the initial scratches by further razor scraps.Have they interviewed the 3 doctors he saw. Was he aggitated. The scratches would sting like crazy and weep for a couple of hours then go dry and shiny to look at, with reddish colour surrounding them. Hot to the touch.
About the gloves. Did they find a similar one at the house or in the car. That finger tip is crucial in linking the crime scene where Allison was found back to the house.

Welcome The Falcon and thanks for your post and points you raised.

 

[Ippygal]

I often get bumps, bruises and scratches and what not on me and I couldn't tell you how they happened or when and I have a really good long term memory. The fact he can account for all of them amazes me.

Totally agree with you there!!! I often have massive black bruises and not a clue why they're there! Lol

 

[Curiousasacat]

I actually read the statement as meaning it probably wouldn't be caused by Allison's teeth as her front one was out of alignment with the other teeth, and that wasn't seen in the injury?

Oh : (

Thanks though : )

My mind is in overtime.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

Looking at gbc palm injury now.

Gosh, first face, then chest, bruises, now palm! What a night it was! Busy being a little bit hurt is an understatement!!!!!

 

[The Falcon]

IMO The chipped tooth could be a tablet bottle being forced into the mouth. Did anyone check the rim of the medicine bottles. Or was it a glass of water being thrust between her lips. Every movement would have been forceful and fast and clumsily done.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

Kate Kyriacou‏@KateKyriacou

It would have to be a very vigorous sort of scratching - Prof Wells. #badenclay

So glad they don't have a cat or dog because I know who he would blame if they had furry friends!!

 

[Oz Jen]

Thank you so much for the constant updates and insights. You guys rock!
Just back from work. (Who has time for work with this going on??). Had to stay back an extra hour to sort stuff out. "What? Today? Really??"

 

[BJsleuth]

So glad they don't have a cat or dog because I know who he would blame if they had furry friends!!

Fleas?

 

[BJsleuth]

IMO GBC got the injury on his chest by falling against furniture/object at the house, or slammed the car boot on himself in the dark at the bridge

<snipped>

Or slipped in some mud and shoulder collided with a tree?

 

[alicat]

I still believe there was more than one person involved, at least at the bridge.

 

[Amee]

Has there been anything said about GBC's clothing? With all the marks on his body Id think his shirt/top would have been torn, maybe a bit bloody, but of course you'd need what he was actually wearing that night to prove this. Id expect the clothing would have been disposed of pretty quickly :moo:

 

[alioop]

I wonder if it could be determined if the chipped tooth was old or recent. Wonder when Allison last went to the dentist. They would have obtained her dental records for identification purposes so would have looked at these. Also any recent photos of her showing a chipped tooth or evidence from anyone who may have saw it or talked to her about it before that night.

I just had a chat last week to a mum at school all about her discoloured front tooth, not that I asked.

 

[Champagne4lulu]

Has there been any reports of noise/commotion/cars etc at the snr bc house on the night/morning in question? I asked a while back if there's been any findings on land line phones for either residence?