• #421
I’ve looked at that video quite a few times. The most recent one shows the officer shooting his weapon as Allen runs past is wearing the uniform of a police officer, not Secret Service. What am I missing?
Per my post above, in the photo from the WaPo, the photo in the top left withe muzzle flash 1, the officer is wearing a shirt with “POLICE” written across the back. I assume he’s part of the Metro Police.

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Per my post above, in the photo from the WaPo, the photo in the top left withe muzzle flash 1, the officer is wearing a shirt with “POLICE” written across the back. I assume he’s part of the Metro Police.

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and he missed him??!! He was so close!
 
  • #423
End of the day, the would-be assasin was caught & no one was seriously injured. I'd call that a complete win, all the way around.
As long as the would-be assasin remains behind bars where he belongs.

jmo
 
  • #424
The clip shows the alleged gunman, 31-year-old Cole Allen, walking across a hallway and off camera, followed by a security agent with a dog who pauses briefly before continuing down the hallway. Moments later, the suspect sprints down the hallway carrying a long gun toward more than half a dozen Secret Service agents and other security personnel.

The video captures a Secret Service agent facing off with the suspect as the agent fires five times. Investigators said the agent was shot in his bulletproof vest but was uninjured. They believe the gunman fired the shot that struck the agent.

The video ends with security swarming the area and arresting the suspect off-camera.

Prosecutors also released footage from the day before the attack, showing the alleged gunman walking up and down a hallway and through the hotel gym, which investigators said appeared to be an attempt to get an idea of the layout.
 
  • #425
End of the day, the would-be assasin was caught & no one was seriously injured. I'd call that a complete win, all the way around.
As long as the would-be assasin remains behind bars where he belongs.

jmo
Agree, that's a good outcome.

So why does the WH have to keep gaslighting the public about the incident? Why can't they restore public trust in the DOJ, FBI, SS, etc. by allowing everyone to submit timely, thorough, honest reports to the public?
 
  • #426
He didn't fire his weapon at all. He ran too fast, and Secret Service fired the shot that hit one of their own. They fired and missed the 'attacker' completely. Maybe they all need better training? There was a shell in his weapon, but they say it was old, and not from the scene. He didn't actually DO anything but run through past the devices and officers.
Makes me think of the Three Stooges. MOO
Only one agent fires, and that is the same agent that is hit. You can see Allen points the shot gun directly at the agent as he runs up.
 
  • #427
Only one agent fires, and that is the same agent that is hit. You can see Allen points the shot gun directly at the agent as he runs up.

but in the video it's a police guy that shots, not a secret agent....
 
  • #428
I’ve looked at that video quite a few times. The most recent one shows the officer shooting his weapon as Allen runs past is wearing the uniform of a police officer, not Secret Service. What am I missing?
The "officer" that fires has a vest on that says "Police - Secret Service." He is part of the uniformed secret service.
 
  • #429
but in the video it's a police guy that shots, not a secret agent....
It clearly is a secret service officer that shoots.
 
  • #430
Per my post above, in the photo from the WaPo, the photo in the top left withe muzzle flash 1, the officer is wearing a shirt with “POLICE” written across the back. I assume he’s part of the Metro Police.

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It clearly says "Police - Secret Service".
 
  • #431
It clearly says "Police - Secret Service".

Ah! My magnify glass only saw Police - didn't see the tiny little words under it... sorry!
 
  • #432
It clearly says "Police - Secret Service".
If it's appropriate and if he's willing, I hope the Secret Service agent who was shot but fired five shots at the would-be assassin is identified so that we can celebrate the hero he is. He took aim and shot at a fast-moving, armed target at risk of his own life. This is what the Secret Service do in order to protect our President and other government leaders.

Edited to add: In addition, the Secret Service agent would have experienced "knock-back" when he was shot and fallen backwards, and yet he still continued to shoot to try to take out the fast-moving, armed target.

"Knock-back. The first effect of being shot while wearing a vest is going to be a strong rearwards force that can knock the person receiving the shot off his feet."


 
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DISCLAIMER: I have no dog in this fight, so to speak, so this info isn’t intended to be interpreted as me taking any "sides". I prefer having all facts out when discussing something which may trigger passionate responses from people. I feel the truth is more valuable than who might be right or wrong. I encourage all to take a look at the explanation regarding a shotgun slug, so all of us will gain some knowledge when discussing shotguns & ammunition.

Next point of contention might be the potential kickback of the shotgun, since the perp doesn’t appear to me to be traditionally shouldering the shotgun like a hunter might in the video I observed. I suggest researching the make & model used by the perp, then watching some YT videos of people hip shooting that particular shotgun. You all be the judges.

Just for clarity….far right. Zero pellets.
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Great post!
 
  • #434
End of the day, the would-be assasin was caught & no one was seriously injured. I'd call that a complete win, all the way around.
As long as the would-be assasin remains behind bars where he belongs.

jmo
I have to agree with you on this. Thank goodness that no one was killed or seriously injured, but I have to wonder what made the suspect snap. I’m sure that there are lots of people out there who feel the same way the suspect does, but they’re not traveling across the country on some kind of ill-conceived mission. JMO
 
  • #435
Agree, that's a good outcome.

So why does the WH have to keep gaslighting the public about the incident? Why can't they restore public trust in the DOJ, FBI, SS, etc. by allowing everyone to submit timely, thorough, honest reports to the public?

You're calling it gaslighting when it's an investigation that isn't' finished yet. Establishing exactly who fired, what weapon(s) discharged, and in what sequence takes a moment. This goes beyond witness statements, use of force reports, reports of investigation, and different angle videos. Early news reporting can be incomplete or inconsistent. What information are you relying on that shows intentional deception? Are you suggesting that the USSS and other LE agencies involved, both on site and off site (that night), are coordinating to misrepresent what happened?

All my opinion
 
  • #436
You're calling it gaslighting when it's an investigation that isn't' finished yet. Establishing exactly who fired, what weapon(s) discharged, and in what sequence takes a moment. This goes beyond witness statements, use of force reports, reports of investigation, and different angle videos. Early news reporting can be incomplete or inconsistent. What information are you relying on that shows intentional deception? Are you suggesting that the USSS and other LE agencies involved, both on site and off site (that night), are coordinating to misrepresent what happened?

All my opinion
I think Trump develops a message that he wants disseminated to the public, then passes it on to the relevant people to repeat it. Those investigators probably have to change those messages as requested or risk losing their jobs. JMO

I agree, I would rather wait until the investigation is complete to hear the final results. The problem is the version of events keeps changing, each time going out to the news media.

Like many other message campaigns coming from the Administration, I tune them out after a while.

ETA: As I mentioned before, this latest version of "who shot the SS agent" doesn't make sense to me. I'm not seeing what they claim is happening in the new video. I'm still seeing the Metro DC policeman in the lower left of the video shooting at the Allen guy, then continuing to turn and shoot towards the moving Allen guy.

The last video explanation from the Administration that I read says Allen was seen shooting directly at the SS agent in the lower left corner of the frame. He may have done so, but the guy in the lower left of the frame was a DC Metro officer. It's either bad communications or moving of the goalposts. Which guy are they saying is the SS agent? Lower left or lower right?
 
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Hilton gunman’s shot at Police Secret Service shooter. Also highlighted in super slo-mo in the BBC link.

BBC Hilton Shooter Video

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  • #438
Great post!
Thank you, just trying to help.👍
The last video explanation from the Administration that I read says Allen was seen shooting directly at the SS agent in the lower left corner of the frame. He may have done so, but the guy in the lower left of the frame was a DC Metro officer. It's either bad communications or moving of the goalposts. Which guy are they saying is the SS agent? Lower left or lower right?
Everyone wearing the vests with POLICE on them are Secret Service, as @PrairieWind has posted. I assume the gentleman to the far right, wearing a black suit is also an agent.

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  • #439
Thank you, just trying to help.👍

Everyone wearing the vests with POLICE on them are Secret Service, as @PrairieWind has posted. I assume the gentleman to the far right, wearing a black suit is also an agent.

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Thanks for that. All the Secret Service people I've ever interacted with wore suits, like the guy on the right.

Which one was shot? The guy on the left or right? TIA

ETA: Has there been any word from them about why they couldn't respond to the brother of Allen when he contacted them about his brother's letter and intentions?

ETA2: Nevermind. I see that its reported that the brother's information came in after the shooting took place. I hope his family is being treated fairly. It sounds like they're decent people and not to blame for any of this.
 
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The last video explanation from the Administration that I read says Allen was seen shooting directly at the SS agent in the lower left corner of the frame. He may have done so, but the guy in the lower left of the frame was a DC Metro officer. It's either bad communications or moving of the goalposts. Which guy are they saying is the SS agent? Lower left or lower right?
It does not appear to be bad coms or moving the goalposts at all. The man in the lower left is a SS agent, and his uniform identifies him as such. Easily verified by all the video out there.
 

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