• #261
Which makes him even more dangerous. In a panic he could have just started shooting and taken many lives, knowing that his was over. I do wonder where he got the firearms and when, and if he had been going to target practice somewhere. I assume that LE/FBI are looking into this. Also, were the family gun owners or just CA? Did his family members know he had firearms in the house?
"Allen’s sister spoke to Secret Service and Montgomery County, Md., police, saying her brother “had a tendency to make radical statements and his rhetoric constantly referenced a plan to do ‘something’ to fix the issues with today’s world,” according to the White House source, who was not authorized to speak publicly.

She also confirmed that Allen had purchased two handguns and a shotgun, storing them in their parents’ home without their parents’ knowledge."

 
  • #262
dbm

Do we know that he booked the room on Friday night or did he make a reservation in advance, online maybe?


Thanks @Sundog , I should have phrased it more carefully in my post. I meant that I presumed he arranged in advance to book a room for that night, which clearly he did get to reserve and then utilize.

I remain astounded that the hotel and the Secret Service would allow ANYONE who’s not known to be part of the government, or a White House correspondent, to book ANY room on the SAME night as this annual dinner for the powerful and elite of D.C.

It would seem to be much safer to keep a sterile environment when no one unknown is permitted to be a hotel guest on the very same night the president and Cabinet are all there.

IMO this should be a requirement by the Secret Service.

The hotel is going to make a lot of money by being the venue for the WHCD. They surely can afford to keep some rooms unoccupied by persons not known, for just one night.

IMO
 
  • #263
Which makes him even more dangerous. In a panic he could have just started shooting and taken many lives, knowing that his was over. I do wonder where he got the firearms and when, and if he had been going to target practice somewhere. I assume that LE/FBI are looking into this. Also, were the family gun owners or just CA? Did his family members know he had firearms in the house?

If he took AmTrak, apparently, firearms are allowed as baggage.

I'd like to know where and how he got these as well.

ETA: I see @acutename provided the info. about the firearms.

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Items Prohibited in Baggage Onboard Amtrak Trains

Following the "restrictions" link referenced in the "Firearms or ammunition" block above provided the following info.:

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Special Items in Amtrak Baggage
 
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  • #264
"Allen’s sister spoke to Secret Service and Montgomery County, Md., police, saying her brother “had a tendency to make radical statements and his rhetoric constantly referenced a plan to do ‘something’ to fix the issues with today’s world,” according to the White House source, who was not authorized to speak publicly.

She also confirmed that Allen had purchased two handguns and a shotgun, storing them in their parents’ home without their parents’ knowledge."

"Family members told investigators Allen would regularly go to the shooting range to train with his firearms."
He had one gun as of 2023 and purchased another 8/25. Legally.
This article has pictures (which I saw on TV) of him apprehended and on the floor. Did he start this without a shirt on or did they strip search him for weapons?
 
  • #265
LOL, I would be tempted to grab a bottle myself.
Such strange comments on that story. A few people were complaining about members of the press taking bottles of wine.

Well, this event was presented by the White House Corespondents Association. It’s an organization of members of the press who cover the White House. They pay dues and raise money to fund it. This was their annual dinner, they paid for it so it’s ok if they take the wine home. They own it.
 
  • #266
Sorry, when you said celebratory events it was in addition to international dinners. (Your post 193.) So it appeared that you were justifying the ballroom for celebratory events that aren't state events.
Citing events that happen at the White House isn't "justifying" anything. Too numerous to list all the celebratory events, dinners, balls, concerts, holiday parties, special anniversary, award ceremonies, etc, that that are put on by the White House and/or first families, some of which could be held in the new ballroom.
The word "state" is used for an event with a visiting head of state.
From AI
White House state dinners are elite, formal diplomatic events hosted by the President and First Lady to honor visiting heads of state or reigning monarchs, usually held in the State Dining Room. These events, which began in 1874
  • Purpose: To honor foreign leaders, celebrate alliances, and promote diplomacy.
 
  • #267
Thanks @Sundog , I should have phrased it more carefully in my post. I meant that I presumed he arranged in advance to book a room for that night, which clearly he did get to reserve and then utilize.

I remain astounded that the hotel and the Secret Service would allow ANYONE who’s not known to be part of the government, or a White House correspondent, to book ANY room on the SAME night as this annual dinner for the powerful and elite of D.C.

It would seem to be much safer to keep a sterile environment when no one unknown is permitted to be a hotel guest on the very same night the president and Cabinet are all there.

IMO this should be a requirement by the Secret Service.

The hotel is going to make a lot of money by being the venue for the WHCD. They surely can afford to keep some rooms unoccupied by persons not known, for just one night.

IMO
I am curious about when he made the reservation, if he did, which as you mentioned, it is likely he had to book a room in advance. It would give us an idea of how long in advance he pre-planned the shooting. I am sure we will get all the details at some point but was just curious if anyone here read anything about that.

Also, it takes a while to travel from LA to Chicago to Washington, D.C. Did anyone in his family know why he was gone and where he had gone? Lots to learn from the family. Seems that at least one sister was aware that he was hiding firearms in the family home and keeping that information from the parents. I wonder if she was afraid of him and that's why she kept this information from the parents. Someone in the family must have an idea of when he went to target practice and moved the guns around, if he did.

ETA: I see that OP has posted upthread that family member knew that CA went to target practice with his firearms.
 
  • #268
Which makes him even more dangerous. In a panic he could have just started shooting and taken many lives, knowing that his was over. I do wonder where he got the firearms and when, and if he had been going to target practice somewhere. I assume that LE/FBI are looking into this. Also, were the family gun owners or just CA? Did his family members know he had firearms in the house?
Someone posted what the brother and sister said about that. But he was way over being a minor, I don't know how the parents could be blamed for guns in their house they didn't have control over or know about, if so. All on all it's very sad for the siblings, the family, a guy who worked so hard yet got lost in ridiculous plans and for the person he wounded and the thousands he scared. But it could have gone far worse.
 
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  • #269
Thanks @Sundog , I should have phrased it more carefully in my post. I meant that I presumed he arranged in advance to book a room for that night, which clearly he did get to reserve and then utilize.

I remain astounded that the hotel and the Secret Service would allow ANYONE who’s not known to be part of the government, or a White House correspondent, to book ANY room on the SAME night as this annual dinner for the powerful and elite of D.C.

It would seem to be much safer to keep a sterile environment when no one unknown is permitted to be a hotel guest on the very same night the president and Cabinet are all there.

IMO this should be a requirement by the Secret Service.

The hotel is going to make a lot of money by being the venue for the WHCD. They surely can afford to keep some rooms unoccupied by persons not known, for just one night.

IMO
It is a big hotel:

The Washington Hilton, located on Connecticut Avenue, features 1,107 rooms and suites. As one of the city's largest hotels, it is well-known for hosting major events, including the White House Correspondents' Association dinner, and is located near Dupont Circle. (Google AI)
____________________________________________________________________________________
Not sure how it is designed- if it has separate wings or entrances so a large area could be closed off to the general public.
 
  • #270
Betty P said:
Why was Trump sitting at the head table?

POTUS always sits at the head of the table.
I thought that too.
Not at this dinner. This is a dinner for the news media to relax, honor their peers and make jokes about their unusual jobs. Presidents don't always attend. That's why I posed that rhetorical question. It all seems poorly planned this year, to say the least. Very bizarre situation.
BBM in the quote

I can't understand where this entirely incorrect information came from. Presidents are expected to be there, more than not, and the dinner is for politicians and the media to get together. Is Trump the only President that didn't belong at the head table?

AI "The White House Correspondents' Association (WHCA) dinner is an annual event established in 1921 to celebrate the First Amendment, foster communication between the media and the presidency,"

President Trump was sitting exactly where he should have been.
I looked at a number of photos of other presidents at the dinner, they always sat at the head table, where the podium is. Clinton went all 8 years, Obama missed only two.

Except for Donald Trump's first term, every president has attended at least one WHCA dinner during their term, beginning with Calvin Coolidge in 1924.​

Trump Will Be First President In 36 Years To Skip White House Correspondents' Dinner​


 
  • #271
Rsbm.
This article has pictures (which I saw on TV) of him apprehended and on the floor. Did he start this without a shirt on or did they strip search him for weapons?
If I read correctly, they did not shoot him, therefore brought him down by hand. I have seen before when struggling to free themselves, people wriggle out of their shirts to try and get free. It's possible that is the case here, but jmo.
 
  • #272
Also, it takes a while to travel from LA to Chicago to Washington, D.C. Did anyone in his family know why he was gone and where he had gone? Lots to learn from the family.
3 days/nights at least, depending on routes and connections:
  • Amtrak Southwest Chief: LA to Chicago - 43 Hours (minimum) via Flagstaff, Albequerque, Kansas.
  • Amtrak Capitol Limited: Chicago to Washington DC - 18 hours (or so) via PIttsburgh, Harpers Ferry.
$500 one way coach, over $2K one way private room.
 
  • #273
Such strange comments on that story. A few people were complaining about members of the press taking bottles of wine.

Well, this event was presented by the White House Corespondents Association. It’s an organization of members of the press who cover the White House. They pay dues and raise money to fund it. This was their annual dinner, they paid for it so it’s ok if they take the wine home. They own it.
We don't know if unopened bottles are returned for credit, are considered the property of the hotel until consummed, we don't know what the contract says for this event. We do know that the liquor law in DC says you can't take unopened bottles and partially empty bottles require a waiter to examine it and put it in a doggie bag.
Depending on level of membership, yearly dues are $90 to $140 (like for an editoral staff). Tickets for the dinner, $300, but most sit at a table purchased by their employer. I enjoyed the comments I read, some really clever and humorous, gave needed levity. Money from ticket sales, after expenses, is used for scholarships. I don't think they can claim they own it, the bottles of wine. It was meant to be used by everyone at the their table and unopened bottles can't be taken, by law. There could be some hands slapped over this.
"In Washington D.C., you cannot leave a restaurant with a completely unopened bottle of champagne or wine purchased from their on-premises stock. D.C. law specifically allows patrons to remove only partially consumed bottles of wine or champagne, which must be securely resealed, placed in a tamper-proof bag, and accompanied by a receipt. "
Council of the District of Columbia (.gov)
Council of the District of Columbia (.gov) +2
 
  • #274
I believe it is the third attempt.
The third attempt that made it this far. Secret Service deals with things like this all the time, and usually intervene long before it comes to this.
 
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