DCF Shelter and Custody Hearings #2

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  • #641
Are they so arrogant to think that Wright will say that MS is innocent? That CWW and JR acted on their own?

Is he promising money from the millions towards an appeal for CWW? What is it?

It puts him in the position of being on the stand and subject to questioning (within limits) by defense before MS' trial begins. Assuming he'll opt for trial rather than confessing.

It's an opportunity for defense lawyers to get any information they can, and getting it under oath on the record to use against his testimony in MS's trial.

Sneaky clever.
 
  • #642
It puts him in the position of being on the stand and subject to questioning (within limits) by defense before MS' trial begins. Assuming he'll opt for trial rather than confessing.

It's an opportunity for defense lawyers to get any information they can, and getting it under oath on the record to use against his testimony in MS's trial.

Sneaky clever.

Is that why it should be the Sievers attorney notifying Wrights attorney...because Sievers attorney could gain info for trial? If so, why did they not notify the CWW attorney unless they are afraid of something....and that is why MS pleads the 5th!?
 
  • #643
I hooe if she gets full custody that it does not include visitation,

I hope they can move to CT where there are opportunities for cousins, friends and other relatives to have relationships with the girls. There is nothing for them in Florida, I feel. His gf's and his sex offender friend.
I agree that Florida is just a reminder of the nightmare of horrors the girls have gone through this past year. CT would be perfect place for a fresh start, a new beginning and where they can be anonymous.

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  • #645
Uh..I digress. Obviously, my interpretation must be very wrong.

<snip below> from News-Press.com
Michael Mummert, the attorney representing Sievers, planned on bringing forward Curtis Wayne Wright Jr. and listed Wright as his sole witness in the trial a week ago.
But there was a problem: Wright's attorney didn't know.
.......

Kristin Allain, attorney with Children's Legal Services of the Department of Children and Families, asked Circuit Judge Robert Branning to strike Wright as a witness. And in that conversation, Allain mentioned that lack of notice to Parker.
.......

Branning asked Mummert about the obligation, to which Mummert responded: "I was not aware of that, your honor." Mummert said he didn't know who was representing Wright. "I was not aware of who his counsel was. I've never met her. I've never spoken with her," said Mummert, who then tried to appease the judge and asked for a continuation. That wasn't good enough for the judge. "You stood before this court yesterday and announced ready for trial knowing you hadn't contacted Mr. Wright's attorney. We can not proceed without Mr. Wright's attorney. There is no way," said Branning, who added that he allowed the continuation also because of statutory time requirements for getting the proceedings underway.


:thinking:

So, I guess they are trying to put the heat on Wayne now? I need AZlawyer to help me figure out the strategy here...
 
  • #646
Uh..I digress. Obviously, my interpretation must be very wrong.

<snip below> from News-Press.com

Michael Mummert, the attorney representing Sievers, planned on bringing forward Curtis Wayne Wright Jr. and listed Wright as his sole witness in the trial a week ago.
But there was a problem: Wright's attorney didn't know.

.......

Kristin Allain, attorney with Children's Legal Services of the Department of Children and Families, asked Circuit Judge Robert Branning to strike Wright as a witness. And in that conversation, Allain mentioned that lack of notice to Parker.

.......


Branning asked Mummert about the obligation, to which Mummert responded: "I was not aware of that, your honor."
Mummert said he didn't know who was representing Wright.
"I was not aware of who his counsel was. I've never met her. I've never spoken with her," said Mummert, who then tried to appease the judge and asked for a continuation.
That wasn't good enough for the judge.
"You stood before this court yesterday and announced ready for trial knowing you hadn't contacted Mr. Wright's attorney. We can not proceed without Mr. Wright's attorney. There is no way," said Branning, who added that he allowed the continuation also because of statutory time requirements for getting the proceedings underway.


bbm : wow. Games, games, games. :thinking:
 
  • #647
Uh..I digress. Obviously, my interpretation must be very wrong.

<snip below> from News-Press.com
Michael Mummert, the attorney representing Sievers, planned on bringing forward Curtis Wayne Wright Jr. and listed Wright as his sole witness in the trial a week ago.
But there was a problem: Wright's attorney didn't know.
.......

Kristin Allain, attorney with Children's Legal Services of the Department of Children and Families, asked Circuit Judge Robert Branning to strike Wright as a witness. And in that conversation, Allain mentioned that lack of notice to Parker.
.......

Branning asked Mummert about the obligation, to which Mummert responded: "I was not aware of that, your honor." Mummert said he didn't know who was representing Wright. "I was not aware of who his counsel was. I've never met her. I've never spoken with her," said Mummert, who then tried to appease the judge and asked for a continuation. That wasn't good enough for the judge. "You stood before this court yesterday and announced ready for trial knowing you hadn't contacted Mr. Wright's attorney. We can not proceed without Mr. Wright's attorney. There is no way," said Branning, who added that he allowed the continuation also because of statutory time requirements for getting the proceedings underway.


:thinking:

So, I guess they are trying to put the heat on Wayne now? I need AZlawyer to help me figure out the strategy here...

so both MS and his attorney have broadly equal planning skills ;)
 
  • #648
And THIS PART -

"Branning asked Mummert about the obligation, to which Mummert responded: "I was not aware of that, your honor." Mummert said he didn't know who was representing Wright. "I was not aware of who his counsel was. I've never met her. I've never spoken with her," said Mummert, who then tried to appease the judge and asked for a continuation."

PURE BULLCRAP. To say to that judge that he wasn't aware of the obligation that he had to notify CWW's counsel that he planned on calling him as a witness is a bald-faced lie. He couldn't have graduated law school without knowing something that elementary.


Not the brightest move to tick off the judge by wasting his time and insulting the court like this.
 
  • #649
Question. Why do they need Curtis for a custody hearring for the grandparents?
 
  • #650
Color me confused. What possibly could someone that is going to testify against you in a murder trial possibly offer as a witness for you in a custody hearing? Wouldnt he still say he hired me to kill their mother?
 
  • #651
Question. Why do they need Curtis for a custody hearring for the grandparents?
Character reference for BS? [emoji28]

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  • #652
Question. Why do they need Curtis for a custody hearring for the grandparents?

I think Mark wants CWW to testify on behalf of BS and make her look better in the courts eyes than the maternal side to raise the girls. Remember CWW spent a lot time engaging in the "family meetings" that BS held in her home......
 
  • #653
Further snipping from article posted by Beach:

Branning asked Mummert about the obligation, to which Mummert responded: "I was not aware of that, your honor."

Mummert said he didn't know who was representing Wright.

"I was not aware of who his counsel was. I've never met her. I've never spoken with her," said Mummert, who then tried to appease the judge and asked for a continuation.

That wasn't good enough for the judge.

"You stood before this court yesterday and announced ready for trial knowing you hadn't contacted Mr. Wright's attorney. We can not proceed without Mr. Wright's attorney. There is no way," said Branning, who added that he allowed the continuation also because of statutory time requirements for getting the proceedings underway.

When asked about it later that day, Mummert told The News-Press: "It’s a notice issue, it’s nothing fatal. The case will go on."

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  • #654
Question. Why do they need Curtis for a custody hearring for the grandparents?
In my limited knowledge and if I understand correctly, DCF wants MAG to have full custody..or least they don't want MS to have any say so in daughters decisions, MS/Murmmet could/would attempt to state BS wants custody. They swear in CWW, ask him if MS hired him to kill TS, CWW says MS did,in fact, pay him to kill. Then the judge can more easily remove the daughters from MS and BS full time, or rather, offer MAG full custody. Which, in essence, could offer MAG the needed permission to move daughters north if and when she chose to.
 
  • #655
One wonders if Mummert is setting up an ineffective counsel appeal for MS. Or, have they realized MS will lose custody so having access to CWW gets them his testimony before the murder trial discovery....... I can't figure out what they are doing here but it does not seem to be working.
 
  • #656
One wonders if Mummert is setting up an ineffective counsel appeal for MS. Or, have they realized MS will lose custody so having access to CWW gets them his testimony before the murder trial discovery....... I can't figure out what they are doing here but it does not seem to be working.
An attempt to intimidate CWW, perhaps?

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  • #657
CWW as a charactee witness? A convicted murderer? Good idea.

Almost as good as having your kids go to the home of a suspected child molester.
 
  • #658
This is insanity?????

Could it be in an effort to somehow force a testimony from CWW that could somehow interfere with his being the tar witness in a criminal trial?

Having a hard time verbalizing my question.

Can CWW be compelled to testify in this family/custody matter and if so can him being forced to do so in any way discredit or jeopardize his being able to testify at MS criminal trial?

There must be some sort of strategy behind this bizarre move?
 
  • #659
Maybe I am seeing it just a little different from a male perspective but I have never seen any indicators that CWW privately desires MS. I think CWW was more the quiet, reserved type around women where MS was the abrupt, in your face quickly, brash type. I think they share everything. I think CWW used MS to break the ice in gaining tryst and was thankful for MS games. I think CWW used MS to open doors to the women. I feel they were both hetero.
I have heard mention a few times people think MS was setting CWW to take the fall. I think I believe MS thought CWW would drive to FL, do the deed, drive back to MO and LE never even connect CWW to the murder. I think MS thought LE would look at him (MS) see his has a CT alibi, then start looking for burglars, with the murder probably going unsolved in MS eyes. If CWW had told AW he was going fishing, or some other lie, this very well could have gone unsolved. Although, MS did in fact leave enough incriminating texts on real phones to lead LE to investigate CWW. Just a coupe of more small changes in MS/CWW strategy probably could have possibly made this unsolvable. What if MS had not texted, but rather called CWW saying I mailed you a check and burner, use word "other" if you want to burner text. Then, throw in if CWW/JR had not visited Walmart and been taped making purchases. I am not sure I think MS was setting CWW to take the fall. Maybe, possibly, if the heat did start rising on MS (but why would it, he was in CT) he did have a game plan B where CWW shoulders the fall.
If CWW/MS wanted to be better/smarter felons maybe they should have spent just a little more time after the wedding working on just a couple more fine details rather than menege' ing the night away.

Agree (JMO), not seeing 'private desire' thing on CWW's part towards MS although revelations will come forth. They were friends 'with benefits' as they definitely used each other---both "users" (rhymes with losers). Also feel they played on the same team... both hetero from the ghetero, they have the same mind-set but used different ways getting to their similar means-------- Pricelessline's Captain Kirk & Hotels.Common's Captain Obvious (MS-red Speedo) ended up in the same sinking Kayak. Disagree, I think MS intended to leave CWW hanging or purposely set up CWW. IF MS got away with the TS "hit", he'd collect ins $$$$$... would he want CWW sitting around with a few thousand $$ living large in a high-end trailer park? MS would know CWW would want more $$$. Had MS planned on leaving the country? OR planned paying CWW more---like lotto installments? MS thought he'd end a free man and his goal of living large where ever. Later we'll learn but seems all communication were strictly between MS & CWW---seems anything JR was privy to came from CWW only, (no calls/texts between MS & JR?). They made tons of mistakes on both ends but MS was convinced he was teflon. DaleTray..... not sure about "if MS had called CWW" vs texting---still be the incoming call to CWW from MS, they can track where incoming originated. Also remember LE found a bumper crop of phones at CWW's trailer. Not sure about land line to tech device but there are ways. With 'tech tracking', there are different programs FBI/CIA use but we don't know what state-local LE dpts have access to (also 'catchers' on planes or drones that gather mass amounts at once of individual devices). BUT consider that fact FBI is involved in parts or all of this case due to crossing state lines & links to the Bolin case---that may then warrant local LE access to more sophisticated tracking programs? CWW brought his friend's GPS but GPS on rentals are always active, you just can't access unless you pay them to turn your ability to access on. GPS even tracked their stop at a China Buffet. Cams are everywhere---one of them is on camera seen changing the license plate on the car at a gas stop.

We shall see.... soon I hope. I may be waaaaaay off here.

"O"oooops, I did it again! MODS.. this post should be in Sievers Sidebar #4----I am so sorry, it's all DaleTray's fault, LOL
 
  • #660
So June 17th for DCF hearings!

What happened to CWW hearing/trial yesterday?? Is there a separate thread for that, if so, I can't find it! :gaah: If someone can point me to "something" from CWW's yesterday's hearing!

TIA! :wave:
 
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