DCF Shelter and Custody Hearings #2

[DexterMorgan]

I think Mark wants CWW to testify on behalf of BS and make her look better in the courts eyes than the maternal side to raise the girls. Remember CWW spent a lot time engaging in the "family meetings" that BS held in her home......

BS didn't allow her own daughter to spend the night while giving space to CW and AW.

Now Mark was giving money to a wife whom was on the fritz. But he didn't want to give money to his sister.

So why doesn't MS nor BS like this sister that has health and maybe some mental problems.

Why do they both seem to not like her.

 

[Jessicades]

CWW as a charactee witness? A convicted murderer? Good idea.

Almost as good as having your kids go to the home of a suspected child molester.

I am still so confused about wanting CWW at the custody hearing. I swear it's to intimidate TS's family, hoping they will lose their cool when the man that butchered her starts talking. Who are they going to call next, Casey Anthony?

 

[ScotAng]

This is insanity?????

Could it be in an effort to somehow force a testimony from CWW that could somehow interfere with his being the tar witness in a criminal trial?

Having a hard time verbalizing my question.

Can CWW be compelled to testify in this family/custody matter and if so can him being forced to do so in any way discredit or jeopardize his being able to testify at MS criminal trial?

There must be some sort of strategy behind this bizarre move?

He can be compelled to testify. I'm struggling to believe the Judge is entertaining it though, considering what's at stake. It appears he's going to allow some kind of testimony, otherwise he would have already shouted it down today. I think.

Wright cannot testify to MS being a good parent, and I know I'm being Cap'n obvious here, but just thinking aloud. Could MS be twisted enough (pfft) to cite him as a witness as to how 'good' a parent BS was? Surely, surely, that can't be the case. If in relation to post-murder chat, that could only harm MS.

I don't believe the Judge would allow anything extraordinary that could harm a criminal trial. It has to be something more simple. Truly baffled.

 

[Hoosgirl]

CWW as the one and only witness on Mark's list for this trial.

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

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[FelicityLemon]

BS didn't allow her own daughter to spend the night while giving space to CW and AW.

Now Mark was giving money to a wife whom was on the fritz. But he didn't want to give money to his sister.

So why doesn't MS nor BS like this sister that has health and maybe some mental problems.

Why do they both seem to not like her.

It may not be a matter of liking or not liking her. I won't judge BS in this instance because I don't know the background.

Hypothetical: family member has eating disorder/addiction to drugs/drinking/sex/Pokemon/whatever – it's destructive. The family has had decades (entirely possible) of the person's self-destructive behavior and knows there is nothing they can do to help someone who doesn't want the help they need. The person wants the help that they want: sympathy and attention, money, but on THEIR terms. It's a form of manipulation. No one wants to see their loved one suffer, but enabling them aka supporting their weapon of choice isn't always helping them. The family gets used to broken promises and learns not to count on that person's word. The person may have the intention to do something like show up somewhere, but doesn't follow through. It really doesn't matter of it's because of weakened physical condition from continuing their self abuse, it's reality. Why should family keep torturing themselves and arranging their lives around someone who continues the activity that causes the behavior? I really don't mean it as cold as it sounds, it's hard to describe that you can make yourself ill caring so much.
There are ways to support without giving money, but that doesn't mean they have to live their lives to accommodate someone who doesn't make the effort for them.

I understand not making room once she showed up. She had allegedly missed two flights prior so why would they expect her to make another one? Maybe they were just tired of her promises. There are consequences to actions as we all know.

We honestly don't know what went on there within the family.

It's also possible that MS bullied his mom into letting CWW and AW staying there and sending sister elsewhere. :dunno:

The family probably has helped several times over and over. It's like beating your head against the wall. Every family is different.

 

[Nana46]

CWW as the one and only witness on Mark's list for this trial.

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

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I cannot understand it either.....what the hello? And his lawyer claims to not know who CWW's lawyer is?????? One witness and you can't get it straight?

 

[human]

If you read the obit entries, it seems like the other sister had issues re the family as well.

 

[No it's not]

Could it be, that Mummert will ask CWW "Who killed his wife?". And CWW may or may not say " Jimmy Ray Rodgers did it". If he says it, then MS should be able to retain his constitutional parenting right until proven guilty.
MAG is asking for permanent custody, she already has temporary custody. In other words it is possible, that Mark's council will make it a constitutional issue, which will dictate the grounds for permanent custody or rather the lack thereof. Child- parent relationship needs to be granted until possible conviction.

Just my opinion of course.

-Nin

 

[msboo]

This is insanity?????

Could it be in an effort to somehow force a testimony from CWW that could somehow interfere with his being the tar witness in a criminal trial?

Having a hard time verbalizing my question.

Can CWW be compelled to testify in this family/custody matter and if so can him being forced to do so in any way discredit or jeopardize his being able to testify at MS criminal trial?

There must be some sort of strategy behind this bizarre move?

This IS insane.... agree. Think Beach mentioned getting AZ to weigh in on this.

I assume CWW's defense has authority over his plea deal along with it's being tied to the court and/or the SAO --- it must remain intact for his benefit OR if he violates the terms his deal is void in the eyes of the court & SAO.

My questions are:
1 - Does it violate his plea deal if he testifies in the custody hearing for either party?
2 - Can CWW be forced to testify or asked merely by request to which his defense can decline OR not
Not violating his deal is in CWW's best interest, as his defense would advise. It's also in the best interest of the prosecution for a conviction in TS muder trial. It goes without saying, CWW's defense AND the prosecution would WANT to halt Mummert in his tracks if he's playing games---can they do that? As we heard today, the custody judge was pissed at Mummert and MS pulled his courtly clown show yet AGAIN.

The bs bestowed on the court today is inexcusable. The validity of CWW testifying for MS to establish that his mom, BS, would provide a positive family household for her grandkids is ludicrous---sorry but BS provided the 'positive' household MS grew up in. Consider the source---consider ALL those sources! The judge should have ruled in DCF favor with full/perm custody to MAG---case closed---& thrown MS, BS & Mummert out of court being told NOT to come back.

Speaking of the source? I never saw so much 'bs' in all my life.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Dale, as another male, I agree with you 100% that the case could have been unsolvable given the distance and if the MO boys had another story to those in MO why they were going out of town and where they were going. As a matter of fact JR should have never said he was leaving the state. What a dumbass thing to say.... 'Oh, we're going to Florida.' They did have a lot of the bases covered with burner phones, etc, but loose lips sink ships and that was what got the ball rolling. I don't think there was any plan whatsoever to make someone a fall guy nor do I see any evidence of physical attraction between CWW and MS. MS is too much of a skirt chaser for that.

Obviously, CWW is no angel but expanding on your thoughts plus MS's overall sick, manipulative personality I believe CWW thought of MS as a hero or a god of some sort, coming form small-town MO, being married to a doctor and living the good life in FL. I'll bet CWW thought MS was a financial wizard since he ran the family medical business and was a big shot. MS was going to take care of his wallet and that's all he needed to do the dirty deed for his idol. MS knew he could manipulate his down and out friend to do this since manipulation and lying is what he does - and he's good at it. Now that they've all been arrested and CWW is no longer under the spell of this guy, he's come clean figuring his hero can't do anything more for him. Its time to look out for #1 and I'm sure this was done under advice from his attorney since he can't seem to make a smart move on his own.

Thankfully, the guy(s) that MS happened to hire were simply incompetent and plain old screwed up. Otherwise we might not be having these conversations.

(BTW, Mods, I posted this inthe DCF thread in response to a post already here. Please feel free to move this in you feel necessary since mine doesn't really have anything to do ith DCF. Thanks. JJ.)

Well said. Makes a lot of sense.

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[debbiegarcia36]

I cannot understand it either.....what the hello? And his lawyer claims to not know who CWW's lawyer is?????? One witness and you can't get it straight?

Just being sarcastic, but it makes me wonder if Mummert even knows that CWW is a hostile witness who intends on testifying against MS! Since Mummert doesn't know WHO CWW's attorney is, I also wonder if Mummert has read CWW'S testimony (which should have CWW'S attorneys name on it somewhere)Strange.

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[Nana46]

Just being sarcastic, but it makes me wonder if Mummert even knows that CWW is a hostile witness who intends on testifying against MS! Since Mummert doesn't know WHO CWW's attorney is, I also wonder if Mummert has read CWW'S testimony (which should have CWW'S attorneys name on it somewhere)Strange.

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Totally agree. If Cww's lawyers don't know these things then he isn't much is he,lol.

 

[MsJosie]

I think MS and lawyer know exactly what they are up to...hence the turning around and giving his mom such a smirk and smile...like to say "watch what we are going to do, we are so smart". I do believe the Judge has it figured out...MS and attorney did know CWW's attorneys name....it is on court docs they got. They will use every dirty, unethical and ethical trick they can think of to delay and screw the hearings and trials up.

 

[1&2&3]

The best thing that happened today is the judge saw how truly crazy MS is and how inadequate
his lawyer is! It makes me wonder if MS has a lawyer that he can manipulate? Don't tell me it can't be done, my ex went to 7 divorce lawyers until he found one that would let HIM tell the lawyer how he wanted things done!

It made the judge so angry, things did not go well for the ex in the end! So this is exactly what I see happening to MS with his shenanigans!! While a judge has to be fair, he also has the final word and takes into consideration what he has seen displayed and heard in his court room on top of the testimony.

 

[AZlawyer]

Uh..I digress. Obviously, my interpretation must be very wrong.

<snip below> from News-Press.com

Michael Mummert, the attorney representing Sievers, planned on bringing forward Curtis Wayne Wright Jr. and listed Wright as his sole witness in the trial a week ago.
But there was a problem: Wright's attorney didn't know.
.......

Kristin Allain, attorney with Children's Legal Services of the Department of Children and Families, asked Circuit Judge Robert Branning to strike Wright as a witness. And in that conversation, Allain mentioned that lack of notice to Parker.
.......

Branning asked Mummert about the obligation, to which Mummert responded: "I was not aware of that, your honor." Mummert said he didn't know who was representing Wright. "I was not aware of who his counsel was. I've never met her. I've never spoken with her," said Mummert, who then tried to appease the judge and asked for a continuation. That wasn't good enough for the judge. "You stood before this court yesterday and announced ready for trial knowing you hadn't contacted Mr. Wright's attorney. We can not proceed without Mr. Wright's attorney. There is no way," said Branning, who added that he allowed the continuation also because of statutory time requirements for getting the proceedings underway.


:thinking:

So, I guess they are trying to put the heat on Wayne now? I need AZlawyer to help me figure out the strategy here...
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Well I can't think of any GOOD strategy.....

 

[FelicityLemon]

Is this a lawyer strategy, to feign ignorance of details of your client's case? Remember the first lawyer saying that he hadn't read the documents released? He said that he hadn't had time to read the documents, but they'd been out for a week at the time he was asked the question.

Now this lawyer is playing possum as well?

 

[Frigga]

Please universe, let every single thing that Mark (and his like minded Lawyer) does- backfire. This is my prayer.

 

[concernedmother]

This is playing with fire. The state will ask CWW if MS hired him to kill his wife. I wonder if someone got to CWW and he is going to change his statement? Thats the only way it would help MS but he will be charged with 1st degree murder. bye bye plea deal.jmo.

 

[AZlawyer]

This is playing with fire. The state will ask CWW if MS hired him to kill his wife. I wonder if someone got to CWW and he is going to change his statement? Thats the only way it would help MS but he will be charged with 1st degree murder. bye bye plea deal.jmo.

It wouldn't even help MS, because CWW would just be impeached with the recorded statement he already made.

 

[Zuri]

The gall of MS thinking that reminding his girls to brush their teeth constitutes "parenting". IMO, MAG is perfectly capable of doing that herself. I really hope she can gain full custody! If she does, would BS still have access to them and would the girls still have to go to the jail and see their father? Or is that a separate issue?