GUILTY DE - Dr. Earl Bradley for sex abuse, child 🤬🤬🤬🤬, Lewes, 2009

[Missizzy]

kbl--You know that I'm not going to defend this beast. Not gonna do it. However, I am going to step up to the plate for the Dad who minimized his daughter's complaint about Dr. Bradley. You must have missed my post on this thread earlier. If you can't forgive him and cut him some slack, you can't do it for me either.

My daughter, deaf, IQ of 50, cerebral palsy, spectrum disorder--tiny and delicate little thing--came to me and complained that the neighbor teen had hurt her. I was washing dishes, dried her eyes, gave her a hug, put a cold cloth on her head, chewed out the teen, and sent her back out to play. The monster had just explained to me that she asked him to swing her around and that she'd hit her head on a wood pile. He was "really sorry and would be more careful". I believed him.

Months later, I sat in court as my little girl's videotaped interviews played. It was the first time I was allowed to hear them. I listened as the detectives asked her if the rapist had ever hurt her. She told them, "Yes". They then asked her if she'd told anyone and she again answered, "Yes, my Mommy". They asked, "What happened next?" She replied, "My Mommy told me it would be OK and he was sorry and to go play". They ended with, "And then what happened?". She floored us all by answering, "I went back out to play but he put his winkie in me again and mashed my head against the wood pile and it hurt".

End of story. I was stupid. But I'm not stupid any more.

 

[Missizzy]

This comment bothers me greatly:


"Bradley had a nurse [his sister? ETA] and other office employees, including at times some of his own children, the woman said, but he usually gave the shots and performed all the medical duties. Turnover was high in the office, she said.

http://www.delawareonline.com/articl...NEWS01/1100367

I am just dumbfounded at the lack of recognition of what was going on. For those living in the community, I feel that they must have heard rumors or warnings. There was a high turnover for some reason. Did he fire people willy-nilly when they asked questions or made noise. Or did they get disgusted and leave? However, for those in the resort communities, it was like leading little lambs to slaughter.

His sister, Lynda Barnes, has been outspoken about making a report (which the medical board denied receiving) but what about his own children? Surely, they knew. How could they not? He had three daughters and one son. Are we to believe that they were untouched? Did their mother leave these four with this guy? We're told in one article that he was charismatic and generous. In another, we're told that he can't make eye contact with adults. Which is it?

I think we've all beaten the poor dead horse enough (not Dr. Bradley, mind you). We've ascertained that many people should have/could have known and should have/could have done something to stop the abuse. The million dollar question is why didn't they? Were they hesitant to disturb the bucolic calm of their seaside community, to step on toes, were they paid off, was he loaning money, mortgaging houses, providing free medical care, were the tapes traded, is this a "mind your own business" sort of thing?

What in heaven's name can be more important than the safety of a child?

 

[kbl8201]

kbl--You know that I'm not going to defend this beast. Not gonna do it. However, I am going to step up to the plate for the Dad who minimized his daughter's complaint about Dr. Bradley. You must have missed my post on this thread earlier. If you can't forgive him and cut him some slack, you can't do it for me either.

My daughter, deaf, IQ of 50, cerebral palsy, spectrum disorder--tiny and delicate little thing--came to me and complained that the neighbor teen had hurt her. I was washing dishes, dried her eyes, gave her a hug, put a cold cloth on her head, chewed out the teen, and sent her back out to play. The monster had just explained to me that she asked him to swing her around and that she'd hit her head on a wood pile. He was "really sorry and would be more careful". I believed him.

Months later, I sat in court as my little girl's videotaped interviews played. It was the first time I was allowed to hear them. I listened as the detectives asked her if the rapist had ever hurt her. She told them, "Yes". They then asked her if she'd told anyone and she again answered, "Yes, my Mommy". They asked, "What happened next?" She replied, "My Mommy told me it would be OK and he was sorry and to go play". They ended with, "And then what happened?". She floored us all by answering, "I went back out to play but he put his winkie in me again and mashed my head against the wood pile and it hurt".

End of story. I was stupid. But I'm not stupid any more.

missizzy, i did not miss your previous post. i disagreed with it.
as for your statements above, i think there's a major diffrence here. you naturally thought she meant that she was hurt while playing....something that commonly happens with children.. and the predator gave you a believable excuse. i think that when a 3 year old girl tells her father that the doctor 'hurt her' that should raise alarm bells. i dont care what physical ailment she has. i could see if he investigated further and didnt get anywhere, but he just dismissed it off hand, didnt discuss it with his wife...how is that possible? why didnt he ask her what she meant by 'hurting her'. she was alone with him, without the doctor present, so the doctor wouldnt be able to sell some bs to him.
i hope you dont think i mean to blame you for what happened. my heart goes out to you and your family. and like i said in 'the doctor' thread, im disgusted the sicko only got 8 days.

 

[believe09]

I wish the general public could spend some time in a hospital or in a doctors office as staff. You will rapidly lose the mystique behind the craft of medicine-just like any occupation there are people who are gifted, some who are mediocre and some who are criminal.

People check their common sense at the door because they believe that there is something holy and healing about being a physician. I had a pediatrician break my daughter's arm. Not because he was mean, but because he was stupid. She was a toddler, her sister had flung her arm twisting it at the elbow-when I brought her to the dr he tried a "nursemaids elbow trick" without having xrayed it first. He thought it was dislocated, but we found out later the radial head had been fractured. He twisted it to "reduce it" and opened the fracture.

Medicine is an art in many ways, but the practitioners are completely and utterly HUMAN.

 

[Missizzy]

kbl--Obviously, I don't know this Dad or this child. I wasn't there so I can't read inferences. However, I can't tell you how many times a child has told me that the nurse or doctor "hurt" them. I've been compassionate and make the "right noises" but I've never launched an investigation. Yes, I've always been in the room with little ones but I'm sure I've had my back turned more than once. We know, from a parent's report that Dr. Bradley did vaginal exams with his body blocking the parent's view. This could be what happened in this case or the Dad could have been distracted in some other way as was Dr. Bradley's MO.

IIRC, this little girl had some sort of labial adhesion which can be quite painful. The Dad most certainly would know about his daughter's physical problem and I'm guessing he made the assumption that the exam was painful. I'm fairly certain he said something like, "I'm so sorry, Sweetheart. You're a brave girl. Let's go have a special treat." Existing painful condition, complaint from child after exam, Daddy's validation and support. It sounds totally plausible to me.

As an example, I have two daughters who get Depo-Provera shots. I'm bedbound so my husband, their Dad, takes them for the shots every three months. There are male and female nurses and the shots are given in the bottom. Both my girls have special needs and communication challenges. Yesterday, when they came home from getting their shots, one girl told me that it had really hurt this time. We talked a little bit about shots and that was it. My antennae didn't go up. I guess I could have called the nurse and asked about what might have been different about the shot but I didn't. It sounded reasonable. We've all experienced painful experiences at the doctor's office. Dr. Bradley just takes advantage of that fact. I'm going to stand up for the Dad at this point.

 

[Missizzy]

Are there any posters here who are pediatricians, nurses, or support staff in pediatric offices? I'm just wondering what is considered "best practice" for when a doctor examines a child's genitals. At what age are parents offered the option to leave for a bit?

Our pediatrician (a male) used to do quick checks on our boys (checking the penis and testicles). He would often block my view of the boys' private areas which I always assumed was for the boys' modesty. This probably occurred from the time they were around 7-8 through their teens. I just asked my husband and he said he remembers seeing the doctor touch the boys. Then we compared notes about the girls and it was the reverse. I'm wondering if doctors commonly do this with children and the parent of the other gender.

And just for the record, I always announced that I'd be stepping out of the room for a couple of minutes so that our teens could talk to the doctor alone about anything private. I know every parent has a different style and comfort level but that's what we did.

 

[In da Middle]

The Freddie Krueger figure sounds to me like something put there for the purpose for an excuse when the kids came up crying. The excuse of they were just scared of the scary figure. Therefore easily explained away for somebody who has their guard down or the smaller kids that cant go into detail of what really happened to them.

 

[Missizzy]

Is anybody getting a strange sense of deja vu concerning what the children described in the McMartin Preschool case? It was so outrageous, it just "couldn't be true".

I've asked before, but does anyone have any knowledge of links, books, or blogs written by children caught in that morass? It would be so interesting to hear what these people, now adults, actually remember.

I still think that technology, while allowing the child industry to grow by leaps and bounds, will also prove to be its undoing. I can hope, anyway.

 

[believe09]

The ped's for all three of my children have handled exams for either sex the exact same way:"I am going to take a peek down here. It is OK to do because your mom is standing right here so you are safe. Don't let anyone touch you this way-your mommy needs to know if it happens." I have been to three practices-the same each time and I was never ever blocked from any vantage point.

 

[jjenny]

Is anybody getting a strange sense of deja vu concerning what the children described in the McMartin Preschool case? It was so outrageous, it just "couldn't be true".

I've asked before, but does anyone have any knowledge of links, books, or blogs written by children caught in that morass? It would be so interesting to hear what these people, now adults, actually remember.

I still think that technology, while allowing the child industry to grow by leaps and bounds, will also prove to be its undoing. I can hope, anyway.

What exactly would be the similarity?
No one is saying Dr. Bradley was using children in satanic rituals.
And it also appears he's been dogging allegations of this sort for years.

 

[jjenny]

kbl--Obviously, I don't know this Dad or this child. I wasn't there so I can't read inferences. However, I can't tell you how many times a child has told me that the nurse or doctor "hurt" them. I've been compassionate and make the "right noises" but I've never launched an investigation. Yes, I've always been in the room with little ones but I'm sure I've had my back turned more than once. We know, from a parent's report that Dr. Bradley did vaginal exams with his body blocking the parent's view. This could be what happened in this case or the Dad could have been distracted in some other way as was Dr. Bradley's MO.

IIRC, this little girl had some sort of labial adhesion which can be quite painful. The Dad most certainly would know about his daughter's physical problem and I'm guessing he made the assumption that the exam was painful. I'm fairly certain he said something like, "I'm so sorry, Sweetheart. You're a brave girl. Let's go have a special treat." Existing painful condition, complaint from child after exam, Daddy's validation and support. It sounds totally plausible to me.

As an example, I have two daughters who get Depo-Provera shots. I'm bedbound so my husband, their Dad, takes them for the shots every three months. There are male and female nurses and the shots are given in the bottom. Both my girls have special needs and communication challenges. Yesterday, when they came home from getting their shots, one girl told me that it had really hurt this time. We talked a little bit about shots and that was it. My antennae didn't go up. I guess I could have called the nurse and asked about what might have been different about the shot but I didn't. It sounded reasonable. We've all experienced painful experiences at the doctor's office. Dr. Bradley just takes advantage of that fact. I'm going to stand up for the Dad at this point.

This is not what's been reported in the police document. The father brought the child in for a flu shot. The child, according to the police document, has told the father the doctor hurt her (insert child's word for vaginal area) in the basement. Why would the father think it happened during the exam? It doesn't even appear the child was given a vaginal exam since she was in for a flu shot.
http://www.capegazette.com/storiescurrent/200912/bradleydocs17.html

 

[kbl8201]

This is not what's been reported in the police document. The father brought the child in for a flu shot. The child, according to the police document, has told the father the doctor hurt her (insert child's word for vaginal area) in the basement. Why would the father think it happened during the exam? It doesn't even appear the child was given a vaginal exam since she was in for a flu shot.
http://www.capegazette.com/storiescurrent/200912/bradleydocs17.html

jesus how the heck wouldnt that set off alarm bells.

 

[jjenny]

jesus how the heck wouldnt that set off alarm bells.

And why didn't he say anything to the mother of the child?
The mother let the doctor take the child to the basement twice on her visit (which I at least hope she wouldn't have done had she known about the child's complain). Only after the child complained after the mother took her to the doctor, the father told the mother about the child complaining after he took her to the doctor.

 

[Missizzy]

jjenny and kbl, all I'm saying is that Dr. Bradley played his cards carefully. He built trust with hundreds of parents (who are all feeling horribly duped right now). IMO, he's the only one to blame for this mess. Yes, parents were trusting. We all crave trust. If a man is in the room when we give birth (as Dr. Bradley was, many times) you just have a tendency to trust him.

I understand that the little girl was in the office for a flu shot but (as has been reported) but she was also known to suffer from a labial adhesion. I don't find it shocking that she would tell her Daddy that the doctor hurt her "heinie". Could that be by checking her medical condition, by the vaccine? I've lived with somewhere around 14-15 two year olds and you have to keep in mind what the Dad THOUGHT, not what actually happened.

I'm sorry but I guess it could have happened to me. I love my pediatrician. He's doctored my kids and grandkids for 16 years. I know him socially. Our kids grew up together. I've stood shoulder to shoulder with him as he helped deliver three of my grandbabies. He's brought back one of my sons, who is diabetic, back from the brink more times than I can count. He's dealt with attempted suicides. If a two year old told me that Dr. "D" hurt her "heinie", I'm afraid (in total honesty) that I would give her comfort and tell her that I was sorry.

This is how Dr. Bradley committed his abominations.

 

[kbl8201]

jjenny and kbl, all I'm saying is that Dr. Bradley played his cards carefully. He built trust with hundreds of parents (who are all feeling horribly duped right now). IMO, he's the only one to blame for this mess. Yes, parents were trusting. We all crave trust. If a man is in the room when we give birth (as Dr. Bradley was, many times) you just have a tendency to trust him.

I understand that the little girl was in the office for a flu shot but (as has been reported) but she was also known to suffer from a labial adhesion. I don't find it shocking that she would tell her Daddy that the doctor hurt her "heinie". Could that be by checking her medical condition, by the vaccine? I've lived with somewhere around 14-15 two year olds and you have to keep in mind what the Dad THOUGHT, not what actually happened.

I'm sorry but I guess it could have happened to me. I love my pediatrician. He's doctored my kids and grandkids for 16 years. I know him socially. Our kids grew up together. I've stood shoulder to shoulder with him as he helped deliver three of my grandbabies. He's brought back one of my sons, who is diabetic, back from the brink more times than I can count. He's dealt with attempted suicides. If a two year old told me that Dr. "D" hurt her "heinie", I'm afraid (in total honesty) that I would give her comfort and tell her that I was sorry.

This is how Dr. Bradley committed his abominations.

you trust them to your given a reason not to. imo there was no reason for the father to just let it drop like that. i dont get how he never told his wife, and apperently her instincts are alot better then his. unless the doctor specifically told the father that he was doing a checkup on her labiel adhesion there was no reason for him to be doing that.

 

[CCmakes3]

The Freddie Krueger figure sounds to me like something put there for the purpose for an excuse when the kids came up crying. The excuse of they were just scared of the scary figure. Therefore easily explained away for somebody who has their guard down or the smaller kids that cant go into detail of what really happened to them.

That's an excellent observation. If true, it really illuminates how masterfully devious this monster was.

 

[Missizzy]

kbl--You are right, he made a horrible mistake. But parents make mistakes every day. Some slide...some come back to haunt you. Trust me, the man is not happy with himself tonight.

 

[Missizzy]

jjenny--I wanted to respond to your question about my post about the McMartin case. You are correct. We've heard nothing about Satanic rituals. I seriously doubt that we will. I was merely commenting about the seeming depravity of the allegations reported in the McMartin case and those, equally depraved, allegedly caught on videotape in this case. I've just been imagining today, if there were no tapes, how this all might sound, strictly related through the innocent descriptions of children.

"And he took me to this place.....that was down under....and there was a Mickey Mouse and a Little Mermaid....and he hurt my heinie.....and he gave me candy....and he told me that the Freddie Guy would eat my Mommy if I told....and the doctor man's eyes got really black and mad and.....he yelled at me and pinched me and.....the popsicle was grape...and Mommy said that she was sorry that my shot hurt so much".

I'm just not sure what a jury would be thinking about all this unless we had it on tape. That's all I meant. No Satanic stuff, unless you count inside Dr. Bradley's soul.

 

[kbl8201]

jjenny--I wanted to respond to your question about my post about the McMartin case. You are correct. We've heard nothing about Satanic rituals. I seriously doubt that we will. I was merely commenting about the seeming depravity of the allegations reported in the McMartin case and those, equally depraved, allegedly caught on videotape in this case. I've just been imagining today, if there were no tapes, how this all might sound, strictly related through the innocent descriptions of children.

"And he took me to this place.....that was down under....and there was a Mickey Mouse and a Little Mermaid....and he hurt my heinie.....and he gave me candy....and he told me that the Freddie Guy would eat my Mommy if I told....and the doctor man's eyes got really black and mad and.....he yelled at me and pinched me and.....the popsicle was grape...and Mommy said that she was sorry that my shot hurt so much".

I'm just not sure what a jury would be thinking about all this unless we had it on tape. That's all I meant. No Satanic stuff, unless you count inside Dr. Bradley's soul.

i think if the cops didnt find the tapes this case would still be going nowhere.
10-12 years of accusations leadig up to this lead to one criminal investigation, no charges, and no medical board discipline. i guess ignorance is legal bliss.

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

you trust them to your given a reason not to. imo there was no reason for the father to just let it drop like that. i dont get how he never told his wife, and apperently her instincts are alot better then his. unless the doctor specifically told the father that he was doing a checkup on her labiel adhesion there was no reason for him to be doing that.

I hate to say this, but I wouldn't doubt if this monster was the one who caused the adhesion in the first place. I looked up what causes it and it's typically from an irritated vaginal area that becomes raw and heals, "fusing" the skin together.