Debate Thread for Caylee is alive

[Chezhire]

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If she was getting paid as a prostitute, she wouldn't need to steal gasoline, credit cards, checks, etc., IMO.

Lots of thieves steal for reasons other than "need"...:waitasec:

 

[Evan's Mom]

Lots of thieves steal for reasons other than "need"...:waitasec:

I may have missed it, but was Casey stealing before the beginning of June or did it just start in the recent months?

 

[Fandy]

I may have missed it, but was Casey stealing before the beginning of June or did it just start in the recent months?

If you believe the postings of Rick (who is said to be Cindy Anthony's brother), Casey had run up bills large enough that Cindy went into her 401K to repay them. I don't know if this was ever documented. He said it was 25K, so IF this is true it had to be ongoing.

what makes me question it is that HOW could G&C NOT know she was running up such a big tab?

 

[Seranade]

If you believe the postings of Rick (who is said to be Cindy Anthony's brother), Casey had run up bills large enough that Cindy went into her 401K to repay them. I don't know if this was ever documented. He said it was 25K, so IF this is true it had to be ongoing.

what makes me question it is that HOW could G&C NOT know she was running up such a big tab?

Yes but I thought he was referring to the recent thefts that took place in June. NG kept saying 45k, but no one could ever verify that amount.

 

[Fandy]

Yes but I thought he was referring to the recent thefts that took place in June. NG kept saying 45k, but no one could ever verify that amount.

I never heard anything definite either. 45K is a LOT of credit card limit. (whatever amount, it is a pretty crappy thing to do to your parents, just add it to the list)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Lots of thieves steal for reasons other than "need"...:waitasec:

Yes. However, her "need" was to pretend she was gainfully employed and independent for outward appearances. The money she was spending was applied towards groceries to cook for TL and friends, clothes, etc. It wasn't simply to steal for the thrill of it.

 

[wedavis]

People have to realize at some point that anything and everything she has told LE or others is leading them away from where Caylee actually is and what happened to her. If Casey mentioned it...they should go the opposite direction.

On that note: I was thinking the other day all of the posters that want to find hidden meanings in Casey's stories and statements should instead try theorizing and perform analysis on the exact opposite of everything she has said and see if any thing comes of it.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

On that note: I was thinking the other day all of the posters that want to find hidden meanings in Casey's stories and statements should instead try theorizing and perform analysis on the exact opposite of everything she has said and see if any thing comes of it.

It would be a good idea...except there are no hidden meanings in her stories or statements. They are simply fabrications with no real merit. Still if she mentioned a place, unless the cell tower pings place her in the area, there is no reason to think Caylee should be there. She certainly did not mention the woods near the airport where the pings were! CLUE.

 

[Pink Panther]

Yes but I thought he was referring to the recent thefts that took place in June. NG kept saying 45k, but no one could ever verify that amount.

We may not be able to verify if it was 25k or 45k...But really, does it make a difference?

 

[wedavis]

It would be a good idea...except there are no hidden meanings in her stories or statements. They are simply fabrications with no real merit. Still if she mentioned a place, unless the cell tower pings place her in the area, there is no reason to think Caylee should be there. She certainly did not mention the woods near the airport where the pings were! CLUE.

I agree with you of course. Good point about the airport.

I was just thinking that since there seems to be no end in sight to posters wanting to over-analyze her words ad naseum and also repeating the same theories based on this analysis maybe they could try a new angle to approach all that nonsense from.

 

[FootballMom]

Hi Everyone,

As my signature states, I'm more of a subjective analyzer until all factual information is presented. At this point I live more on the fence than any place but feel much more welcome with the Alive crew. I cannot bring myself to commit to either side because there is compelling evidence & reasons for both positions.

I decided to do a little research on the infamous "death band" that alot of people say confirms Caylee is deceased yet LE has NOT come right out and said anything other than she was in the trunk and "the totality of evidence" leads them to believe she is deceased... I'm not here to debate semantics in this thread.

Now on to my discovery.... I read a thesis on the Analysis of Postmortem Deterioration of Human Head Hair. Hair samples from the subjects were taken from the TN "Body Farm". Rather than bore you with details I'll get to the punch lines... "The reason for the yellow-banding at the proximal end is unknown... there is a possibility that the yellow-band is a precursor to root-banding."

Of the 10 subjects (9 cadavers & 1 live control subject) 6 of them presented normal with yellow-banding (including the LIVE control) and 4 presented with hard keratin point, root-banding and brush like ends. The 9 cadavers were PMI from 8 days to 633 days... the only cadavers with actual "ROOT-BANDING" had been deceased for 89 to 633 days.

This science would strongly suggest they either don't have Caylee's hair with root-banding or they found forensic evidence that a close to 90 day old cadaver had been in her car at some point....

Maybe KC was robbing graves to support her lifestyle... (insert sarcasm) :crazy:

 

[pb6656]

Hi Everyone,

As my signature states, I'm more of a subjective analyzer until all factual information is presented. At this point I live more on the fence than any place but feel much more welcome with the Alive crew. I cannot bring myself to commit to either side because there is compelling evidence & reasons for both positions.

I decided to do a little research on the infamous "death band" that alot of people say confirms Caylee is deceased yet LE has NOT come right out and said anything other than she was in the trunk and "the totality of evidence" leads them to believe she is deceased... I'm not here to debate semantics in this thread.

Now on to my discovery.... I read a thesis on the Analysis of Postmortem Deterioration of Human Head Hair. Hair samples from the subjects were taken from the TN "Body Farm". Rather than bore you with details I'll get to the punch lines... "The reason for the the yellow-banding at the proximal end is unknown... there is a possibility that yellow-band is a precursor to root-banding."

Of the 10 subjects (9 cadavers & 1 live control subject) 6 of them presented normal with yellow-banding (including the LIVE control) and 4 presented with hard keratin point, root-banding and brush like ends. The cadavers were PMI from 8 days to 633 days... the only cadavers with actual "ROOT-BANDING" had been deceased for 89 to 633 days./B]

This science would strongly suggest they either don't have Caylee's hair with root-banding or they found forensic evidence that a close to 90 day old cadaver had been in her car at some point....

Maybe KC was robbing graves to support her lifestyle... (insert sarcasm)

Now that's very interesting. And actually a valid argument for the thread.

 

[FootballMom]

Now that's very interesting. And actually a valid argument for the thread.

thank you! :blowkiss:

 

[FootballMom]

Hi Everyone,

I posted this in the Alive thread first.. but thought the debate thread might enjoy tossing it around as well...

As my signature states, I'm more of a subjective analyzer until all factual information is presented. At this point I live more on the fence than any place but feel much more welcome with the Alive crew. I cannot bring myself to commit to either side because there is compelling evidence & reasons for both positions.

I decided to do a little research on the infamous "death band" that alot of people say confirms Caylee is deceased yet LE has NOT come right out and said anything other than she was in the trunk and "the totality of evidence" leads them to believe she is deceased... Again, I respect both sides.

Now on to my discovery.... I read a thesis on the Analysis of Postmortem Deterioration of Human Head Hair. Hair samples from the subjects were taken from the TN "Body Farm". Rather than bore you with details I'll get to the punch lines... "The reason for the yellow-banding at the proximal end is unknown... there is a possibility that the yellow-band is a precursor to root-banding."

Of the 10 subjects (9 cadavers & 1 live control subject) 6 of them presented normal with yellow-banding (including the LIVE control) and 4 presented with hard keratin point, root-banding and brush like ends. The 9 cadavers were PMI from 8 days to 633 days... the only cadavers with actual "ROOT-BANDING" had been deceased for 89 to 633 days.

This science would strongly suggest they either don't have Caylee's hair with root-banding or they found forensic evidence that a close to 90 day old cadaver had been in her car at some point....

Maybe KC was robbing graves to support her lifestyle... (insert sarcasm) :crazy:

 

[treeseeker]

FootballMom, I think I read the same report you mention in your post re the post-mortem root band. I think it was a thesis? I read several articles, couldn't find any that call the band definitive. There may be newer tech not freely available on the net - LE is working with the TN Body Farm, they are innovators. So, fence it is for now.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree with you of course. Good point about the airport.

I was just thinking that since there seems to be no end in sight to posters wanting to over-analyze her words and also repeating the same theories based on this analysis maybe they could try a new angle to approach all that from.

Every angle seems to come back to one point. The evidence leans heavily in one direction. They should try it tho! Can't hurt anything.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

We may not be able to verify if it was 25k or 45k...But really, does it make a difference?

I don't think it does. Stealing a dollar from her best friend, parents, and grandparents is the same as 45K in my book. A thief is a thief.

 

[FootballMom]

FootballMom, I think I read the same report you mention in your post re the post-mortem root band. I think it was a thesis? I read several articles, couldn't find any that call the band definitive. There may be newer tech not freely available on the net - LE is working with the TN Body Farm, they are innovators. So, fence it is for now.

The thesis was written in May 2005, so it is only 3 years old and years of historical literature and data were cited for support. Ninety days PMI (for root-banding) seems to be the general consensus from all collected data. I am certain that they may have better technology for the current analysis but I don't think they have a time machine ... well.... then again maybe they do, they are wichad smaht folks.

 

[treeseeker]

The thesis was written in May 2005, so it is only 3 years old and years of historical literature and data were cited for support. Ninety days PMI (for root-banding) seems to be the general consensus from all collected data. I am certain that they may have better technology for the current analysis but I don't think they have a time machine ... well.... then again maybe they do, they are wichad smaht folks.

That's the one. A study re using the bands to determine post-mortem interval.

Link for anyone interested:
http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-01242005-145140/unrestricted/Collier_thesis.pdf

 

[SusanNV]

Here is my theory:
Casey knows the East-Side Rapist that raped two women in Blanchard Park over the last couple of years. He has been described as being between 20 and 25 years old. Her age group. This time, he killed his target. Casey was either there when it happened, or was called to help him get rid of the body. Nicole Ganguzza was killed on June 10, 2008. She has hair similar to Caylee's in length and color. The body was found behind a post office two miles from the park. Now, if the white car was used to move the body, decomp materials would be present. Now, say Casey, always on the lookout for a money-making scam, tries to blackmail the rapist/killer for her silence. He says sure, meet me at blah blah blah (the empty apartment? Blanchard Park? Casey has used both as the places she "dropped" Caylee off). Now, instead of giving Casey money, he swipes Caylee and says here's what you say and do and you forget about the murder or Caylee gets killed. Caylee is taken out of the area (I have been in contact with the person that sighted Caylee at Orlando Airport on July 2nd with an elderly woman.) This would explain all of the early crazy things that Cindy was saying about Casey leading the police close but afraid to be specific. Perhaps Casey was not wanting immunity for her role in Caylee's disappearance, but for her role in the Ganguzza murder/coverup. Have the police ran the dna of the hair sample through the general database? Have they compared it to Ganguzza? Have they looked at Casey's cell phone pings the night of the murder? Did she know anyone with priors for assault or rape?