Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin on Dr. Phil 3 February 2012

[norest4thewicked]

EVERY person who I have ever seen blacked out drunk leaves a total mess in their wake. I have never seen a black out drunk ever be stealthy nor careful. They wobble and weave, spill and trash. They then wake up not believing anybody that they did it. Drunk severely impairs coordination. That is why it is illegal to drive drunk. Blacked out drunks might THINK they are being stealthy and careful, but they are far from it.

I believe she was drunk...but am not one that believes that she was passed out. I did at first, but after analyzing this more, I think that this was only part of her "coverup story." She could get away with not answering a lot of questions by saying she was passed out. No, I feel that DB was VERY used to drinking a lot and could handle herself with a high amount of alcohol in her system. I think she was very capable of doing what it took to rid herself of this dead child.

 

[In da Middle]

You're describing someone so drunk they don't remember the butt they made of themselves or they use drinking as an excuse for their sloppy behavior.

http://lifeoftheparty.sa.ucsb.edu/Alcohol101/Blackouts.aspx
What is the difference between a blackout and passing out?
"Blackouts" (sometimes referred to as alcohol-related memory loss or "alcoholic amnesia") occur when people have no memory of what happened while intoxicated. These periods may last from a few hours to several days. During a blackout, someone may appear fine to others; however, the next day they cannot remember parts of the night and what they did. The cause of blackouts is not well understood but may involve the brain’s diminished ability to store short term memory, deep seizures, or in some cases, psychological depression. Blackouts shouldn't be confused with "passing out," which happens when people lose consciousness from drinking excessive amounts of alcohol."

This sounds like someone using the excuse of being blacked out drunk as an excuse for their bad behavior. Not the actions of a truly drunk person or their friends that didn't notice that they were drunk were just as drunk themselves. Was that article written by students for students? Blacked out drunk is beyond 'just' drunk. It would be obvious to anybody that is not drunk themselves.

 

[MyBelle]

No, not in my opinion, based on experience with drunks. She said she went to bed.... or passed out.... whichever, around 10:30. So that was almost 5 hours later when Jeremy came home. She would have slept most of that off by then.
Most drunks can sleep off the worst of a drunk in 3 hours, easy.

Where is the proof she was drunk? I don't assume she has told the truth about any aspect of this case if she is in any way involved.

JMO

 

[vlpate]

Not if she was drunk enough to black out. When a person is that drunk, to the point of not being able to remember anything, they aren't capable of thinking, let alone driving a vehicle. And certainly not realizing that they have to hide and dispose of their child's body, by setting fire to a dumpster. My guess is, if she was that drunk and realized her child was dead, she would have been emotional, crying, shaking, unable to control it. She would NOT have been calm enough to do all those things.

There are a lot of resources, if one wants to take the time, that address blacking out vs drunk. MANY blacked out people function, and drive - it's a matter of not remembering.

It's more complicated than can be easily explained here - hopefully Dr. Phil will go into it.

 

[Whisperer]

Exactly. If a person is going to sneak into a house and steal a baby, they aren't going to take time to gather up their clothes, a blanket, diapers and bottles... they are going to snatch the baby and get the heck out of there so they won't be caught.

If you care to believe the witnesses, then this abductor not only stole her but undressed her....and walked around for a few hours holding a very quiet and alert child in the chill of the night.

 

[Whisperer]

There are a lot of resources, if one wants to take the time, that address blacking out vs drunk. MANY blacked out people function, and drive - it's a matter of not remembering.

It's more complicated than can be easily explained here - hopefully Dr. Phil will go into it.

Thanks for trying vlpate.

Black outs are amnesia related. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAD THEM. you will never know what you did unless somebody tells you. The brain will never recover the information.

Passing out usually means somebody fell asleep drunk.

I think either DB is minimizing or lying about her drinking. She is trying to be vague. She wants an excuse for not remembering what happened but she doesn't want to say she blacked-out or she's in a world of doo.

If DB had a black-out, she would know it. She may not want to say it but she would know it. She would suffer a loss of time when she snapped out of it. You can drive and be in a different location and have no idea how you got there when you "snap" out of it. You could be wearing a trench coat from your closet in the middle of summer and have no recollection of putting it on.

 

[vlpate]

This sounds like someone using the excuse of being blacked out drunk as an excuse for their bad behavior. Not the actions of a truly drunk person or their friends that didn't notice that they were drunk were just as drunk themselves. Was that article written by students for students? Blacked out drunk is beyond 'just' drunk. It would be obvious to anybody that is not drunk themselves.

BEM: I am not sure if a student made the information available or someone in administration - either way, someone promoting safety and awareness. The content was taken from the UCSB Alcohol & Drug Program.

Here's a little more information on the subject.
http://www.ncherm.org/pdfs/article06-alcohol-blackout.pdf

 

[Whisperer]

Black out drunks do not wobble and weave. They carry on appearing alert....and do things they have no recollection of doing. Some are crazy things; some aren't. They have all their abilities to perform whatever they want.

Ever see the "Lost Weekend"? You are not sleeping when you are having a "Black Out".

 

[Whisperer]

Black outs can happen to people who are not alcoholics. It is simply a matter of drinking too much. It is the luck of the draw of what happens to you.

1. vomiting and getting rid of alcohol
2. alcohol poisoning and possibly dying if not taken to ER.
3. passing out and sleeping it off
4. black-outs, amnesia caused by alcohol related blood/brain saturation.

 

[flipflop]

Thanks for all the info on black outs/pass outs/ etc, but what mother would want to shout out to the national media that she was blacked out or passed out from drinking....I believe that she stated this for a reason, I think the only thing black in this case is the deep dark secret that she is trying to hide.

 

[Sparklin]

You said LE would have taken her immediately if she was drunk. DB said she was drunk. :waitasec:

One thing is for sure. They accused her of killing her child so there was something that raised a red flag. Was it because she was intoxicated or tunnel vision on their part?

No need to reply....I'm off this topic. Maybe Dr. Phil will ask her.

It would be great if we could submit a list of questions we want him to ask DB & JI. LOL

bbm = It happens all the time in missing children cases without any red flags. It's a tactic some cops use on parents. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes not.

 

[Sparklin]

who said she covered her azz, being drunk is NOT a crime, they cannot arrest her because she is or was drunk. JMO

Not for drinking - if she harmed Lisa or hid Lisa and she was drunk, she did a very, very good job of covering her actions!

As for the timing 6:30/10:30, sorry, but if I do the same thing every single evening and have a few drinks one night -- I'm going to tell you the next day that I did that same thing I always do...after some consideration, I might doubt myself and wonder if I did really though, especially under the circumstances that my child is missing. I wouldn't have to be black out drunk to not be 100% certain that I opened the baby's door and checked in...or not. I think I did, but maybe I didn't. So...I'll say that the earlier time is the last time that I guarantee I saw her. I don't fault Deb for that time change.

As for the drinking ~ I believe she was intoxicated, I don't think it was to black out state, but possibly to pass out state. I think she went in, possibly checked on Lisa, spoke to the boys, got into bed and fell asleep.

I can't see how Dr. Phil is going to have anything to say about Deb's drinking. No one has said (except for some here) that she is an alcoholic, so I'm not sure where that is coming from. She said she has a few drinks a couple of times a week. If that is an alcoholic, I can show you a few universities, colleges, offices, hospitals etc... that are FULL of alcoholics.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Thanks for all the info on black outs/pass outs/ etc, but what mother would want to shout out to the national media that she was blacked out or passed out from drinking....I believe that she stated this for a reason, I think the only thing black in this case is the deep dark secret that she is trying to hide.

1st BBM: Deborah Bradley :waitasec: and she has already said so on national tv which IMO, is her defense strategy ...

2nd BBM: I agree ... she is hiding a "deep dark secret" and that is what really happened to Lisa ?

It is going to be real interesting to see how this issue of being "drunk" and "passing out" and "blacking out" plays out on Phil McGraw's Show -- especially with her defense attorney putting in his :twocents:

MOO ...

 

[4Jacy]

These two "parents" going on dr. phil is going to be a piece of fluff; a nothing. WSers, don't hold your breath for any startling revelations that will come from these two. This is all about rehabilating their image and another reason, but because of TOS, I am prevented from including. However, I am sure they will appreciate all the star treatment they will receive.

This must be quiet a ride for these two, however, unless they black out every night, I don't see how they sleep at all.

 

[Whisperer]

I think DB just may be an alcoholic. I still say we will learn of this dysfunction/addiction that may be surrounding these two parental units.

Her posturing on the subject and her giving excuses of how people don't change starts off the denial. Jeremy is on board with her. I heard him agree. Who knows, he may have problems with it also. Of course, neither sees it as a problem.

ANYONE who leaves their children with an alcoholic or drug person is asking for trouble...big time. Jeremy was wrong for leaving them alone and knowing her habits and DB knows why she is being judged as neglectful. That is what she was. If she didn't kill Lisa; she indirectly is responsible for her death.

 

[Whisperer]

Something is off with the family...period. I am referring to DB's side...but am including Jeremy.

If one of your parents is an alcoholic, chances are you inherited the gene. You may never take a drink, but if you have the gene, it is waiting. She shows me characteristics of a drinker who is in denial about her consumption.

Anyone read about her siblings yet?

 

[Whisperer]

These two "parents" going on dr. phil is going to be a piece of fluff; a nothing.

This must be quiet a ride for these two, however, unless they black out every night, I don't see how they sleep at all.

We both should get out some fluffy down pillows and our fluffy comforters while we sip on some nice hot cocoa with fluffy marshmallows while watching the fluffy piece of a show.
:floorlaugh:


As far as them being able to sleep? All they have to do is pour a drink. If they take some anit-anxiety pills, they may sleep a lot longer than planned. I imagine they got sleeping pills by now. They sure as heck better not drink with those babies.

 

[hambirg]

This is WRONG!
JeezLouise, I thought you guys paid attention to what was said on the videos and in interviews. If it's not a direct quote or something I hear with my own ears, then it's not totally reliable.

Debbie was asked "Could you have blacked out". Her answer was "It's possible". That does NOT mean she blacked out. Anyone that has been drinking would have to honestly answer "It's possible" because one has no way of being certain if they did blackout.

Further, Deb was asked "were you drunk". Deb answered "yes". That was a foolish answer imo. Unfortunately for her, she didn't have time to prepare for such a question. What is drunk? There is anything from feeling a buzz to being passed out unconscious and all kinds of degrees in between. I choose to believe that she was not staggering drunk.

Deb's not being certain if she checked on Lisa is because this is something she does on auto-pilot. I think this is also why both DB and JI's stories have some changes. Not everyone remembers every move they make and the order in which they make them.

It is very offensive to me, as a previous regular social drinker, to hear labels like 'sloshed' 'drunk out of her mind', etc. Having a couple drinks a few times a week does not equate to a lush.

BBM

I have to disagree! I had two beers with my pizza tonight and I can, with certainty, say it is not a possibility that I was black out drunk tonight. I remember everything. There are no fuzzy areas in my memory. I can assure you I did NOT black out, even though I did drink. I am CERTAIN I did NOT black out. To imply that anybody that has drunk any alcohol can not say whether they blacked out or not is absurd. :crazy:

By her own admission she was drunk! I'm not sure if I believe it because I think she's a liar. But you seem to be questioning her judgement. Do you question ALL her judgement the same way? Do you think she is not smart enough to know if she was drunk or not?

And to the last. . .how do you know this? I would never claim to know what somebody I don't even knows habits are unless it was documented. She was on auto-pilot? I don't believe it. Sounds like making excuses to me.

Nobody is claiming DB had a few glasses of wine. She's claiming she drank a dang near full box. . .and she does that a few times a week. Are you calling her a liar? I don't have a problem doubting that and calling her a liar. But I don't get the feeling that that is what you are saying.

 

[Sabot]

I do not believe that Debbie killed her daughter and nor do I believe that she is an alcoholic.
I often don't remember precisely what I have done on the previous evening, even stone cold sober.
She was in a state of shock and horror and hardly fit to remember anything, but she tried to be honest, although I think she used words inadvisedly because of the state she was in.

LE might have been better served if they had initially approached her from a position of her innocence instead of trying to batter her into submission and confusing her even further. And if I was her I wouldn't want to talk to them either.

In so far as National Coverage is concerned, this is quite obviously the way to go. Lisa is almost certainly many miles and probably many States away from where she went missing. Local Coverage will do nothing to help find her now.

And as far as evidence is concerned, there is plenty to point to an Abduction, which I won't go into at this point. It has all been torn to shreds by people who for some inexplicable reason always want The Parents to be Guilty. There was no logic to most of what they had to say.
Any normal, feeling person who saw Debbie in the first couple of days knows that she was distraught, and not from killing her daughter, otherwise she would hardly have blabbed in the way in which she did.

 

[4Jacy]

We both should get out some fluffy down pillows and our fluffy comforters while we sip on some nice hot cocoa with fluffy marshmallows while watching the fluffy piece of a show.
:floorlaugh:


As far as them being able to sleep? All they have to do is pour a drink. If they take some anit-anxiety pills, they may sleep a lot longer than planned. I imagine they got sleeping pills by now. They sure as heck better not drink with those babies.

Yes, we should do all the fluffy stuff as we watch this dr pill B]show[/B]!

I hope that dr pill's ratings are sky high and he makes lots of cash *cough*.

I wonder if DB/JI will be spray tanned, lost/gained weight/ gotten new hairdo's/ wardrobe, et. al. That's the way things usually roll.

I don't care what they take to get to sleep; just wonder about the nightmares.