Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin on Dr. Phil 3 February 2012

[Donjeta]

JMO, but if you don't remember what you did you should say you don't remember, not make up something that you may or may not have done.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Yes, we should do all the fluffy stuff as we watch this dr pill B]show[/B]!

I hope that dr pill's ratings are sky high and he makes lots of cash *cough*.

I wonder if DB/JI will be spray tanned, lost/gained weight/ gotten new hairdo's/ wardrobe, et. al. That's the way things usually roll.

I don't care what they take to get to sleep; just wonder about the nightmares.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

BBM: Yep -- that's "how they roll" on Phil's Show -- it's like getting a "makeover" ...

:waitasec: What they can't have anyone looking "normal" ?

Example : Remember when the Anthony's were on the show ? George had so much make-up on -- he looked like something from a wax museum ... and Cindy had so much make-up on, it looked like she had botox ...


MOO ...

 

[vlpate]

Not for drinking - if she harmed Lisa or hid Lisa and she was drunk, she did a very, very good job of covering her actions!

As for the timing 6:30/10:30, sorry, but if I do the same thing every single evening and have a few drinks one night -- I'm going to tell you the next day that I did that same thing I always do...after some consideration, I might doubt myself and wonder if I did really though, especially under the circumstances that my child is missing. I wouldn't have to be black out drunk to not be 100% certain that I opened the baby's door and checked in...or not. I think I did, but maybe I didn't. So...I'll say that the earlier time is the last time that I guarantee I saw her. I don't fault Deb for that time change.

As for the drinking ~ I believe she was intoxicated, I don't think it was to black out state, but possibly to pass out state. I think she went in, possibly checked on Lisa, spoke to the boys, got into bed and fell asleep.

I can't see how Dr. Phil is going to have anything to say about Deb's drinking. No one has said (except for some here) that she is an alcoholic, so I'm not sure where that is coming from. She said she has a few drinks a couple of times a week. If that is an alcoholic, I can show you a few universities, colleges, offices, hospitals etc... that are FULL of alcoholics.

IMO, the way she defended her drinking is a sign of alcoholism. There's no doubt Dr. Phil will bring it up.

 

[iluvmua]

Exactly. If a person is going to sneak into a house and steal a baby, they aren't going to take time to gather up their clothes, a blanket, diapers and bottles... they are going to snatch the baby and get the heck out of there so they won't be caught.

and they will not be looking for three missing cell phones either.

 

[iluvmua]

These two "parents" going on dr. phil is going to be a piece of fluff; a nothing. WSers, don't hold your breath for any startling revelations that will come from these two. This is all about rehabilating their image and another reason, but because of TOS, I am prevented from including. However, I am sure they will appreciate all the star treatment they will receive.

This must be quiet a ride for these two, however, unless they black out every night, I don't see how they sleep at all.

I'm sure they esp. DB sleep quite well knowing they have gotten away with murder (at this point).

Hopefully, That will come crashing down VERY soon

 

[iluvmua]

I do not believe that Debbie killed her daughter and nor do I believe that she is an alcoholic.
I often don't remember precisely what I have done on the previous evening, even stone cold sober.
She was in a state of shock and horror and hardly fit to remember anything, but she tried to be honest, although I think she used words inadvisedly because of the state she was in.

LE might have been better served if they had initially approached her from a position of her innocence instead of trying to batter her into submission and confusing her even further. And if I was her I wouldn't want to talk to them either.

In so far as National Coverage is concerned, this is quite obviously the way to go. Lisa is almost certainly many miles and probably many States away from where she went missing. Local Coverage will do nothing to help find her now.

And as far as evidence is concerned, there is plenty to point to an Abduction, which I won't go into at this point. It has all been torn to shreds by people who for some inexplicable reason always want The Parents to be Guilty. There was no logic to most of what they had to say.
Any normal, feeling person who saw Debbie in the first couple of days knows that she was distraught, and not from killing her daughter, otherwise she would hardly have blabbed in the way in which she did.

Such as?

That's because in 99.9 percent of baby/child "abductions", it is the parents who are the ones who ended up killing the child.

DB and JI are acting Guilty, IF they are innocent, THEY are the ones who can end this charade of madness. They choose not to.......

Maybe DB babbled because she know she's in DEEP crap.

If they are innocent, then end this now.......

If DB did accidentally kill Lisa, she is in Way more trouble now then she would have been if she came out right away about what happened to Lisa.

 

[Fishee]

It has all been torn to shreds by people who for some inexplicable reason always want The Parents to be Guilty. There was no logic to most of what they had to say.

The logic is solidly based in statistics.

You're kidding, right? Did I miss a winky?

 

[Fishee]

These two "parents" going on dr. phil is going to be a piece of fluff; a nothing.

Yep.

Dr. Phil lobs more softballs than Larry King.

 

[vlpate]

I do not believe that Debbie killed her daughter and nor do I believe that she is an alcoholic.
I often don't remember precisely what I have done on the previous evening, even stone cold sober.
She was in a state of shock and horror and hardly fit to remember anything, but she tried to be honest, although I think she used words inadvisedly because of the state she was in.

LE might have been better served if they had initially approached her from a position of her innocence instead of trying to batter her into submission and confusing her even further. And if I was her I wouldn't want to talk to them either.

In so far as National Coverage is concerned, this is quite obviously the way to go. Lisa is almost certainly many miles and probably many States away from where she went missing. Local Coverage will do nothing to help find her now.

And as far as evidence is concerned, there is plenty to point to an Abduction, which I won't go into at this point. It has all been torn to shreds by people who for some inexplicable reason always want The Parents to be Guilty. There was no logic to most of what they had to say.
Any normal, feeling person who saw Debbie in the first couple of days knows that she was distraught, and not from killing her daughter, otherwise she would hardly have blabbed in the way in which she did.

All three networks plus all the cable news outlets would have given Deborah and Jeremy air time for the past four months - they weren't budging. So why now?

LE would have given them face time for the past four months - they put conditions on finding their child.

They're despicable.

 

[Sabot]

Such as?

That's because in 99.9 percent of baby/child "abductions", it is the parents who are the ones who ended up killing the child.

DB and JI are acting Guilty, IF they are innocent, THEY are the ones who can end this charade of madness. They choose not to.......

Maybe DB babbled because she know she's in DEEP crap.

If they are innocent, then end this now.......

If DB did accidentally kill Lisa, she is in Way more trouble now then she would have been if she came out right away about what happened to Lisa.

99.9% is just not true, as anyone with any reasonable knowledge of Abduction Cases knows. And posting fibs on Forums won't make it true.

And just what is "Acting Guilty" supposed to mean? I haven't seen them acting guilty. I see two distraught parents whose child has been abducted and who weren't treated very well by LE.

 

[vlpate]

99.9% is just not true, as anyone with any reasonable knowledge of Abduction Cases knows. And posting fibs on Forums won't make it true.

And just what is "Acting Guilty" supposed to mean? I haven't seen them acting guilty. I see two distraught parents whose child has been abducted and who weren't treated very well by LE.

Read more: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29432603/detail.html#ixzz1km46qsSJ

"But the experts acknowledge that investigators often focus on close relatives when a baby goes missing, in part because statistics show that far more infants and young children are killed by a parent than a stranger.
"Suspicion almost always falls heavily on the parents, especially when it's young kids," Finkelhor said. "Fifteen hundred parents kill their kids every year, and that's heavily focused on the under 1 year of age category."
Allen said his organization has handled 278 infant abduction cases during his nearly three decades with the group. Only 13 cases involved a stranger coming into a home and taking a baby, and all but one of those children were recovered unharmed."
_____________

All but ONE child was recovered unharmed. Deborah Irwin knows this statistic as well as anyone - for a few days after this happened, this news story was aired and documented all over the Internet. She knew, yet she SAT there on her duff for almost four months doing NOTHING. If the above information is not hope, then I don't know what is. IMO Deborah Bradley knows exactly where Lisa is and that's why she has done nothing at all to find her

Come on already -it's absolutely ridiculous to think for even a moment that this is normal - you search for your baby high and low - you show your face on every show that will have you - you pass out fliers, you organize searches, you DEMAND LE keep the case open.

Imagine if Lisa is still alive out there somewhere. What will she think, how will she feel when she looks back at these past few months and realizes her parents did nothing at all to find her. They simply moved on with their lives and, as DB said to a reporter, they "mourned" briefly.

There's no point in Dr. Phil having these two on - Tac will not let him ask the tough questions. No matter what DB perceives LE did to her, and that will be the bulk of the interview - poor Deborah, what she's doing to her baby is so much worse.

All JMO

 

[iluvmua]

99.9% is just not true, as anyone with any reasonable knowledge of Abduction Cases knows. And posting fibs on Forums won't make it true.

And just what is "Acting Guilty" supposed to mean? I haven't seen them acting guilty. I see two distraught parents whose child has been abducted and who weren't treated very well by LE.

What makes you think she was abducted?

How is LE supposed to treat them when THEY will not do anything to help them find Lisa. The ball is in DB/JI's court.

If my child, niece, nephew etc. was missing the last thing on my mind would be how LE treats me.

 

[DeAnn]

Are you sure it was the 911 call? I have never heard of any LE in Missouri release a 911 call in the middle of an investigation. They are protected by law to be able to do so and KCPD has been adamant that they will not release it. Or is it just the call being dispatched? BIG difference. I would be thinking local media outlets would be ALL over this if this happened. Why would Vinnie be the only one with this very much coveted info?

It wasn't the 911 call. At least one formal request was made for it and it was denied as allowed under the Missouri Open-records Law. This was not contested because it is a correct interpretation of the law. (I don't like it but there it is).

To say the 911 call was released this week is patently false.

A request was made by KCTV5 for the initial dashcams. The department denied that. KCTV5 contested that because Missouri does allow for the release of initial incident reports. The department released a portion but redacted a portion of the two dashcam videos on Thursday. (redacted was any contact recorded between Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley)

KCTV5 is a CNN affiliate (as are all stations in Kansas City). KCTV5 on Friday then shared dashcam video with CNN, which used the video/audio on Headline News.

But I figure you already knew all of this

 

[vlpate]

It wasn't the 911 call. At least one formal request was made for it and it was denied as allowed under the Missouri Open-records Law. This was not contested because it is a correct interpretation of the law. (I don't like it but there it is).

To say the 911 call was released this week is patently false.

A request was made by KCTV5 for the initial dashcams. The department denied that. KCTV5 contested that because Missouri does allow for the release of initial incident reports. The department released a portion but redacted a portion of the two dashcam videos on Thursday. (redacted was any contact recorded between Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley)

KCTV5 is a CNN affiliate (as are all stations in Kansas City). KCTV5 on Friday then shared dashcam video with CNN, which used the video/audio on Headline News.

But I figure you already knew all of this

BEM: Deann - "patently false"? lol I was mistaken - as I told indamiddle yesterday. I was watching and listening to VP, I looked up and saw the dash cam footage and then heard a 911 call, or it could have been the other way around, anyway, I was on the phone (distracted), and thought they were related.

I didn't see or hear this on CNN headline news, I saw/heard it on Vinnie Politan's show - I know, same network .

 

[krimekat]

Part of the 911 tape released today states Jeremy told LE that the window was forcibly broke into. In fact I think a stronger adjective was used by JI. It appears that he was trying to describe how the intruder entered his home. One gets the impression that the window was the key. So does that mean the front door was locked?

I have to watch and listen again but it was very focused on that "smashed in" window in the 911 call.

I wonder if LE will release more stuff the closer it gets to the Dr. Phil Show....this is now a real cat and mouse game.

where's the 911 audio?

Are you sure it was the 911 call? I have never heard of any LE in Missouri release a 911 call in the middle of an investigation. They are protected by law to be able to do so and KCPD has been adamant that they will not release it. Or is it just the call being dispatched? BIG difference. I would be thinking local media outlets would be ALL over this if this happened. Why would Vinnie be the only one with this very much coveted info?

oh, thanks again, IdM, for keeping us honest & reminding us of MO laws (again)

 

[DeAnn]

where's the 911 audio?



oh, thanks again, IdM, for keeping us honest & reminding us of MO laws (again)

The 911 audio is at the Kansas City Police Department under lock and key LOL.

And while the KCPD did release a portion of the dashcam video this week it certainly wasn't because of the upcoming Dr. Phil show.

It was in response to a request from a LOCAL television station.

 

[vlpate]

What makes you think she was abducted?

How is LE supposed to treat them when THEY will not do anything to help them find Lisa. The ball is in DB/JI's court.

If my child, niece, nephew etc. was missing the last thing on my mind would be how LE treats me.

Amen to that!
I wonder how DB and JI would have felt if this situation had been turned around. How would THEY treat someone who lost their baby while she was in their care....or more specifically, if their babysitter got drunk and lost their baby? How would they feel if the babysitter wanted pity instead of taking responsibility and telling the truth about EVERYTHING that happened. How would they feel if after a few hours the babysitter lawyered up and said she wasn't going to talk anymore - she's done, big ole' Cheney Mason salute beaches.

They'd probably be very suspicious of that babysitter after a few months, especially if they saw her "getting on with her life" and going on The Dr. Phil show for .... well, whatever they're going on there for.

The only difference is the two people who clammed up and refused to help find the baby is her own mother and father.

What will they talk about? What COULD they talk about.

Dr. Phil: So, your baby has been missing for over three months
DB: Uh huh
Dr. Phil:What in the world happened?
DB: They stole our cell phones, and my baby....I was sleeping with a stray kitty - I was drunk, yeah drunk, anyway - I check on her every 10 hours and last time I checked on her that evening she was fine. Sheesh, I needed some me time.
Dr. Phil:What in the world were you drinking
DB: Box wine, the good one though, the one with the curly letters and red wine on the front.
Dr. Phil:What in the world have you been doing to find her
Tac: Look, look Dr. Phil, my clients have looked at McDonalds, they've looked at Burger King, they look around when they go outside for a smoke. They have done all they could but they are being crucified by the media and in the court of public opinion. Look, Deborah and Jeremy have talked to LE for 14 hours - 14 hours Dr. Phil, now I think that was plenty of time.
Dr. Phil:What in the world?
Stanton: Listen, listen, I am not working for anybody, I am on the side of the truth. I've talked to people, I've heard things, but nothing is leading nowhere. There is evidence - there is phone records and there is naked babies and blobs, Dr. Phil. Good solid evidence that LE won't take seriously.
Dr. Phil: Blobs?
Stanton: Listen, there was a blob coming out of the wooded area close to where the bald man with dark hair and a cap on, carrying a naked baby wearing a t-shirt and a diaper was seen. It's there - you can see the blob clearly. LE don't think it's good.
DB: THAT BLOB TOOK MY BABY!!
Tac: There is a 100,000 reward for information leading to the safe return of Baby Lisa Irwin.
JI: Please bring her....
DB: PLEASEEEEEEE BRING MY BABY HOME!!
JI: We just w.....
DB: I MISS HER SOOOOOO MUCH PLEASE
Dr. Phil: What in the world.
.
I made all of this up, this is not a transcript.

 

[~n/t~]

 

[cityslick]

Amen to that!
I wonder how DB and JI would have felt if this situation had been turned around. How would THEY treat someone who lost their baby while she was in their care....or more specifically, if their babysitter got drunk and lost their baby? How would they feel if the babysitter wanted pity instead of taking responsibility and telling the truth about EVERYTHING that happened. How would they feel if after a few hours the babysitter lawyered up and said she wasn't going to talk anymore - she's done, big ole' Cheney Mason salute beaches.

They'd probably be very suspicious of that babysitter after a few months, especially if they saw her "getting on with her life" and going on The Dr. Phil show for .... well, whatever they're going on there for.

The only difference is the two people who clammed up and refused to help find the baby is her own mother and father.

What will they talk about? What COULD they talk about.

Dr. Phil: So, your baby has been missing for over three months
DB: Uh huh
Dr. Phil:What in the world happened?
DB: They stole our cell phones, and my baby....I was sleeping with a stray kitty - I was drunk, yeah drunk, anyway - I check on her every 10 hours and last time I checked on her that evening she was fine. Sheesh, I needed some me time.
Dr. Phil:What in the world were you drinking
DB: Box wine, the good one though, the one with the curly letters and red wine on the front.
Dr. Phil:What in the world have you been doing to find her
Tac: Look, look Dr. Phil, my clients have looked at McDonalds, they've looked at Burger King, they look around when they go outside for a smoke. They have done all they could but they are being crucified by the media and in the court of public opinion. Look, Deborah and Jeremy have talked to LE for 14 hours - 14 hours Dr. Phil, now I think that was plenty of time.
Dr. Phil:What in the world?
Stanton: Listen, listen, I am not working for anybody, I am on the side of the truth. I've talked to people, I've heard things, but nothing is leading nowhere. There is evidence - there is phone records and there is naked babies and blobs, Dr. Phil. Good solid evidence that LE won't take seriously.
Dr. Phil: Blobs?
Stanton: Listen, there was a blob coming out of the wooded area close to where the bald man with dark hair and a cap on, carrying a naked baby wearing a t-shirt and a diaper was seen. It's there - you can see the blob clearly. LE don't think it's good.
DB: THAT BLOB TOOK MY BABY!!
Tac: There is a 100,000 reward for information leading to the safe return of Baby Lisa Irwin.
JI: Please bring her....
DB: PLEASEEEEEEE BRING MY BABY HOME!!
JI: We just w.....
DB: I MISS HER SOOOOOO MUCH PLEASE
Dr. Phil: What in the world.
.
I made all of this up, this is not a transcript.

How many people do you know of that were guilty of a crime (killing someone else) yet before they were a suspect, went on a national talk show? I would think they would want to be out of sight, out of mind no matter what if they were guilty. Isn't that what everyone was saying, they want this case to go away, to make everyone forget?

Going on a syndicated national talk show isn't going to make anyone forget. The case had died down in the media, nationally and locally, everything people say what they think the parents wanted, and yet 4 months later they go on a syndicated national talk show? Doesn't make sense.

 

[vlpate]

How many people do you know of that were guilty of a crime (killing someone else) yet before they were a suspect, went on a national talk show? I would think they would want to be out of sight, out of mind no matter what if they were guilty. Isn't that what everyone was saying, they want this case to go away, to make everyone forget?

Going on a syndicated national talk show isn't going to make anyone forget. The case had died down in the media, nationally and locally, everything people say what they think the parents wanted, and yet 4 months later they go on a syndicated national talk show? Doesn't make sense.

Has it been stated by LE that neither of them are suspects?