Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[In da Middle]

I have explained my theory on that about a dozen times on here. I still would love to get the opinion of one of our SAR people about that, but I don't think it would have been impossible for her to just walk to the river either.

Go to the HRD thread and get the opinion of the SAR people. They clearly state that any well trained dog should hit on this exact scenario. They also clearly state another dog should be brought in blind for another go at the hit. This has been explained about a dozen times also or more.

I have seen her simply walk up the hill of their driveway. She barely managed that, let alone walk all the way to down to the river, across the railroad tracks (that is if no train is sitting on the tracks waiting for the grain elevator) and manage all of the terrain in the dark and then have to do the same in reverse to get back. It's pitch black down there. Let alone do it while taking the chance of leave the boys alone and not have one shred of evidence of such trip.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Go to the HRD thread and get the opinion of the SAR people. They clearly state that any well trained dog should hit on this exact scenario. They also clearly state another dog should be brought in blind for another go at the hit. This has been explained about a dozen times also or more.

I have seen her simply walk up the hill of their driveway. She barely managed that, let alone walk all the way to down to the river, across the railroad tracks (that is if no train is sitting on the tracks waiting for the grain elevator) and manage all of the terrain in the dark and then have to do the same in reverse to get back. It's pitch black down there. Let alone do it while taking the chance of leave the boys alone and not have one shred of evidence of such trip.[/QUO

I have read the HRD thread. I have never heard the experts opinion on what I am saying is my theory. I'd love to see where "this exact scenario" is because it would change my mind if there was such a statement.

As far as you seeing DB walk up the driveway, I don't discount that. However, she IS only 25 or 26 years old isn't she? She might be a little out of shape and even overweight, but seriously, if she couldn't bring herself to do that if her own life depended upon it, then what could she do? I didn't say for certain she did walk to the river, but there are houses, the moon, there is some sort of light, plus your eyes adjust to the dark. It IS possible. And as far as her worrying about leaving the boys alone? If you'd just packaged up your child to hide the body, would you really worry about your boys being alone for 30 minutes?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

DB's statement today was that "the boys were sleeping with me that night."

And? They were? Then one went back to bed. We've known this from the beginning.

 

[Sparklin]

Go to the HRD thread and get the opinion of the SAR people. They clearly state that any well trained dog should hit on this exact scenario. They also clearly state another dog should be brought in blind for another go at the hit. This has been explained about a dozen times also or more.

I have seen her simply walk up the hill of their driveway. She barely managed that, let alone walk all the way to down to the river, across the railroad tracks (that is if no train is sitting on the tracks waiting for the grain elevator) and manage all of the terrain in the dark and then have to do the same in reverse to get back. It's pitch black down there. Let alone do it while taking the chance of leave the boys alone and not have one shred of evidence of such trip.

and let's not forget: carrying Lisas body all wrapped up in towels and plastic and sheets and padding ~ and she is drunk, or at the very least tipsy ~ and I would imagine a whole lot emotional.

 

[francie]

When this case was quiet a while back I went to re-read an old story on HuffPost and to my surprise, where baby Lisa pics had been, it read, “license agreement expired”… why wouldn’t they GIVE pics to media if they wanted people to keep an eye out for her?? Makes no sense, unless they know she’s dead. But the pics are back up now, coincidentally when this exclusive “interview” is aired. Wonder how much Debbie Bradley is paid for licensing Lisa’s pics. And how much did McGraw pay them for the new Lisa pics that Debbie said she was “excited” for 7 million people to see (why weren’t these pics released day one when Lisa supposedly vanished)… he paid the Anthonys $500K, how much did Debbie get? Did Tacopina get his 30% or more? I think Debbie killed her child, she stopped begging for Lisa’s safe return 3 months ago and shut out police & media who were trying to HELP. But then she resurfaces heavily coached with a makeover & calm new demeanor for her big tv show… this isn’t about Lisa, it’s all about making money while getting away with what she did. (all jmo of course). Tacopina’s trying to turn baby Lisa’s disappearance into a moneymaking publicity fest like the murdered-Caylee. McGraw would probably exploit his own kids if it meant ratings and $$$. They all make me sick. Poor Lisa. Again, all JMO.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

It didn't hurt my feelings, because I don't care who likes the fact I was engaged to my wife before the d.i.v.o.r.c.e. was finalized :great:

I'm glad it worked out for you and Mrs. Dewey2Me1MoThyme. :innocent:

My employer would not be happy if I made a choice like this. :crazy:

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I'm glad it worked out for you and Mrs. Dewey2Me1MoThyme. :innocent:

My employer would not be happy if I made a choice like this. :crazy:

It's worked out well for 11 years and 6 months, we're both happy and comfortable, and I think she plans on keeping me by the looks of my honey-dew list.

 

[vlpate]

It didn't hurt my feelings, because I don't care who likes the fact I was engaged to my wife before the d.i.v.o.r.c.e. was finalized :great:

Awesome, but she had not filed for d.i.v.o.r.c.e. and neither had her husband.

 

[norest4thewicked]

And? They were? Then one went back to bed. We've known this from the beginning.

"We" who? I certainly haven't known that from the beginning.

 

[norest4thewicked]

and let's not forget: carrying Lisas body all wrapped up in towels and plastic and sheets and padding ~ and she is drunk, or at the very least tipsy ~ and I would imagine a whole lot emotional.

I don't think she did carry Lisa's body. I think she did what she did right there on the floor of her bedroom. And I think that this might explain why LE took the tape in the search warrant.

 

[melissasmom]

Well, if anything horrible ever happens in my life (God forbid) then everyone will get to know just how much character I have...and can I say YIKES :floorlaugh:

I'm with you there. But then again, most of us don't live our lives thinking that in the future someone may have an occasion to dissect and pass judgement on every part of it.
And I am really busted when they look at my computer searches

 

[vlpate]

And? They were? Then one went back to bed. We've known this from the beginning.

Did we know Jeremy told her to take the "youngest boy" to bed. I'm pretty sure this is new.

Wonder why? Did the youngest one tell LE this is what Jeremy said to DB?

Another lie by omission?

 

[In da Middle]

To answer the question as to 'packaging' it is answered by ws verified SAR dog expert Oriah
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Quote:
Originally Posted by indepmo
Searching vehicles won't find Lisa and possibly not detect anything. If a vehicle transported a body in any case and the body was wrapped, placed in a container or other means I think it's possible. Something that small could fit in many small containers, could be wrapped in bags and tape within the container leaving cadaver dogs no scent or trail. If something did get thrown in the river, I would imagine it would be weighed down within a package or container.

I hope this wasn't Lisa's fate.

I also hope this was not Lisa's fate.

I disagree, however, that a properly trained HRD dog would not alert to HR scent, even if in a container of most sorts- especially if placed in another container such as vehicle. Transfer and everything.

I wonder if Lisa's disappearance might be best explained by a container and/or vehicle that was not searched? But of course that's mvho- and I hope not true.

Which was even further explained int this post
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Just was trying to say that a properly trained HRD dog would likely have alerted to a container (ugh hate to even talk about this stuff) and also likely alerted to another container such as a vehicle that remains might have been transferred to. Most vehicles have some sort of substrate which retains scent particles. In my experience, anyway.

 

[melissasmom]

I don't think she did carry Lisa's body. I think she did what she did right there on the floor of her bedroom. And I think that this might explain why LE took the tape in the search warrant.

I wonder what kind of tape it was. I don't think the search warrant specified. Scotch tape? Masking? It also said dispensers, and the only kind of tape I can think of that would have a dispenser would be either scotch tape or like a packing tape. I guess knowing what kind wouldn't really tell us much, though.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Did we know Jeremy told her to take the "youngest boy" to bed. I'm pretty sure this is new.

Wonder why? Did the youngest one tell LE this is what Jeremy said to DB?

Another lie by omission?

BBM: where did that come from? missed that one

 

[norest4thewicked]

To answer the question as to 'packaging' it is answered by ws verified SAR dog expert Oriah
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Lisa Irwin missing 3 months now - Poll


Which was even further explained int this post
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Lisa Irwin missing 3 months now - Poll

That doesn't dispute what I am saying. It doesn't dispute layer upon layer of wrapping and sealing and nesting within containers. It sickens me to say it, but I think this is what happened. And I will believe it until an expert tells me that a dog would definitely hit on that.

 

[vlpate]

When this case was quiet a while back I went to re-read an old story on HuffPost and to my surprise, where baby Lisa pics had been, it read, “license agreement expired”… why wouldn’t they GIVE pics to media if they wanted people to keep an eye out for her?? Makes no sense, unless they know she’s dead. But the pics are back up now, coincidentally when this exclusive “interview” is aired. Wonder how much Debbie Bradley is paid for licensing Lisa’s pics. And how much did McGraw pay them for the new Lisa pics that Debbie said she was “excited” for 7 million people to see (why weren’t these pics released day one when Lisa supposedly vanished)… he paid the Anthonys $500K, how much did Debbie get? Did Tacopina get his 30% or more? I think Debbie killed her child, she stopped begging for Lisa’s safe return 3 months ago and shut out police & media who were trying to HELP. But then she resurfaces heavily coached with a makeover & calm new demeanor for her big tv show… this isn’t about Lisa, it’s all about making money while getting away with what she did. (all jmo of course). Tacopina’s trying to turn baby Lisa’s disappearance into a moneymaking publicity fest like the murdered-Caylee. McGraw would probably exploit his own kids if it meant ratings and $$$. They all make me sick. Poor Lisa. Again, all JMO.

Great catch, good question.

 

[Sherbie]

I think she is bringing it up because people are accusing her of being an alcoholic drug addicted baby killer.

She is clearing up the fact that the 'drugs' were meds.

I have seen people here and elsewhere state that they take anti depression/anxiety meds in the a.m. that would not be affected by drinking in the evening...

I think the point for some would be that it's risky to mix whatever med she was taking with alcohol, especially while children were dependent on her for their care and protection, especially if they were taken at the same time or close together. Anxiety meds might be just as dangerous in that regard as a narcotic.

I don't look at much about this case outside news articles and our forum here, so I didn't know there were rampant drug addiction rumors. She might've been better off just to have said she takes prescribed medicine in prescribed doses at appropriate times. Emphasizing it wasn't a narcotic doesn't really dispel an addiction rumor since narcotics aren't the only meds people get addicted to.

She mentioned the same thing about her med not being a narcotic in her MK interview. Were there already a lot of people accusing her of being a drug addict that early on (if you know)? Thanks.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

"We" who? I certainly haven't known that from the beginning.

In the past couple or three pages it was reverified by Jim Spellman
Thanks to whoever repoted it.

 

[vlpate]

BBM: where did that come from? missed that one

Did you watch the interview with Dr. Phil? It's there.