Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[norest4thewicked]

Oh, I totally agree with everything you say. I just think that she is not highly educated and she says things the way she thinks may sound better, which totally comes across as lies. I think when the drinking confession came out that the media focussed on this and made her a raging alchoholic, and this is when the whole story got out of control. Of course she tried to minimalize this, and that just made it sound even worse than it was. I love the media and love hearing what they say happened, but really a lot of it is just gossip, and if the reporting is not 100% accurate, it can be very dangerous for the people involved. I just don't think she has the capability of pulling something such as this off, and not leaving any clues, especially if we are going to believe that she was that drunk.

I see what you are saying and know what you mean. The media DOES sensationalize everything for their own ratings, whether it's local KC media or the Dr. Phil show. That's why I take only the things that I know that DB herself has said, and build my opinion from there. It is ONLY the things that I have heard come out of DB's mouth and the things that I have seen with my own eyes that I base my opinions on. I also do take into consideration information that people who are there in KC if they are people I trust.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Why suddenly do you reckon Deb is so focused about the lights. IMHO LE has questions about the lights and the stories from the parents. She's trying to deflect IMHO about the lights, make JI look a lil foolish and all.

I don't see her as focused on the lights, I saw it as answering a question about the lights. What was she suppose to say when asked about the lights, that blue is her favourite colour? :floorlaugh:

 

[annalia]

It's things like this (the whole issue with the lights now) that make me think she's actually not involved. Hear me out:

An actual perp would try to do everything in their power to cover their tracks. They would say certain things to make sure they had a solid alibi. But DB doesn't do this. She says things that are detrimental to her. She says things that do not paint her in a positive light. It's almost like, and there really isn't a polite way to say this, she's almost too stupid to know how to cover her tracks. And yet here we are where she covered her tracks enough to hide/dispose of BL with very little evidence of it.

IMO, I think that is why she has a lawyer. It's because she constantly says things that are illogical. He's there to protect her from her own words.

Hey, I could be wrong and if I am I will admit to it. Something just doesn't seem right though and not for the nefarious reasons a lot seem to think (to me).

But if an actual perp would try to cover their tracks would they put lights on in the midst of a kidnapping, or enter a home with lights already on if they were trying to cover their tracks, and then walk around all over with a baby clad only in a diaper if they were trying to cover their tracks?

I do agree with you though, I said that earlier, if she really is innocent she doesn't do herself any favors. But even worse is her attorney, JT doesn't do her any favors either. He was spinning like a top yesterday, complaining about misinfo but wasn't above spreading it himself. All it does is make his clients look worse, that isn't the fault of the people listening to him spout off. She needs a better attorney.

JMHO

 

[cluciano63]

The thing about lights being on bothers me, because this would almost ensure that JI, when he got home, would check on everyone, which he might not do otherwise, if all was dark and quiet. So it almost seems like someone (?) wanted the fact that Lisa was gone to be discovered when he got home...JMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

That was my point as well. We know (from what we've seen) the type of person DB is, but yet I have to stretch my imagination to believe she's sophisticated enough to harm and then dispose of BL in such a way that nobody's found clues to BL or even to DB herself.

I dunno, it's stuff like that keeps me on the fence. And yes, I understand you don't have to be smart to be a criminal.

This part is simple to me. I don't in any way feel that DB did anything to Lisa intentionally. I believe that Lisa died by accident, DB covered it up in whatever way she did and everything fell into place for her. She was lucky that night. I don't feel that it is anymore than that. I know that sometimes people are lucky...it just happens. We don't know what evidence that KCPD and FBI has in this case but perhaps they just made the decision to wait to arrest her until they found the body, thinking that they would find the body quickly. But, for whatever reason, they haven't been able to do that thus far. So, we now just have to sit back and wait to see what happens. It's hard to do, knowing that this involves an innocent little girl. But, I truly believe that Lisa is in a better place now and she will have justice some day.

 

[cityslick]

But if an actual perp would try to cover their tracks would they lights on in the midst of a kidnapping if they were trying to cover their tracks, and walk around with a baby clad only in a diaper if they were trying to cover their tracks?

I do agree with you though, I said that earlier, if she really is innocent she doesn't do herself any favors. But even worse is her attorney, JT doesn't do her any favors either. He was spinning like a top yesterday, complaining about misinfo but wasn't above spreading it himself. It makes his clients look bad, that isn't the fault of the people listening to him spout off.

JMHO

They wouldn't turn on lights. As far as walking around with a baby in a diaper, that's assuming the eyewitness saw BL, which I thought most dismiss anyway?

I agree that JT doesn't do her any favors and according to Jim Spellman, there even seems to be a divide in the family whether he is helping or hurting them.

 

[norest4thewicked]

But if an actual perp would try to cover their tracks would they put lights on in the midst of a kidnapping, or enter a home with lights already on if they were trying to cover their tracks, and then walk around all over with a baby clad only in a diaper if they were trying to cover their tracks?

I do agree with you though, I said that earlier, if she really is innocent she doesn't do herself any favors. But even worse is her attorney, JT doesn't do her any favors either. He was spinning like a top yesterday, complaining about misinfo but wasn't above spreading it himself. All it does is make his clients look worse, that isn't the fault of the people listening to him spout off. She needs a better attorney.

JMHO

Boy...ain't that the truth??? ^^^^^

 

[octobermoon]

Didn't DB say that she turned the lights off? I'm almost positive she did.

No she said she was told she did. :crazy:

 

[cityslick]

This part is simple to me. I don't in any way feel that DB did anything to Lisa intentionally. I believe that Lisa died by accident, DB covered it up in whatever way she did and everything fell into place for her. She was lucky that night. I don't feel that it is anymore than that. I know that sometimes people are lucky...it just happens. We don't know what evidence that KCPD and FBI has in this case but perhaps they just made the decision to wait to arrest her until they found the body, thinking that they would find the body quickly. But, for whatever reason, they haven't been able to do that thus far. So, we now just have to sit back and wait to see what happens. It's hard to do, knowing that this involves an innocent little girl. But, I truly believe that Lisa is in a better place now and she will have justice some day.

The only accident theory that I could consider would be if BL died on her own (while DB was outside) and DB came inside and found out. There is no other explanation that would explain how she killed her accidentaly and more evidence was not recovered.

 

[norest4thewicked]

No she said she was told she did. :crazy:

Gotcha! :tyou:

 

[katydid23]

The only accident theory that I could consider would be if BL died on her own (while DB was outside) and DB came inside and found out. There is no other explanation that would explain how she killed her accidentaly and more evidence was not recovered.

What about if she took the baby into her master bedroom to sleep and a drunken mother passed out on top of the child. Could she have woken up to find a dead baby in her bed?

 

[mrsu]

About the spotting of the baby and the man - It wasn't several times, it was two times with 3 sightings. The first time was a husband who was outside and spotted what he thought was a man with a baby and this was around midnight. Then he told his wife who looked out through the blinds of her house and said she saw it too. That was in the area of the Irwin home. Then, hours later (around 4 am I think) and miles away, a man on a motorcycle said he saw a man with a baby. My personal thought about the last sighting is that it was just someone coming forward with a story after hearing about this case and wanting some camera time. Those were the only supposed sightings.

I thought the man was spotted something like midnight, then 2am, then 4am? Regardless, 3 different people spotting the same things and were suspicious? Clearly it wasn't a coincidence, IMO. So 3 people are just desperate for camera time? How often have you ever seen a man carrying a baby at 4am in just a diaper (IIRC)? Furthermore, why haven't the police come out and said we've located the man and verified it was not baby Lisa?

 

[norest4thewicked]

The only accident theory that I could consider would be if BL died on her own (while DB was outside) and DB came inside and found out. There is no other explanation that would explain how she killed her accidentaly and more evidence was not recovered.

Well, it's my theory that baby Lisa died in the bathtub. Either she was put in there because of her fever or perhaps she was fussy and DB thought that would help. I know that my children often loved a bath when fussy. But, I think that for whatever reason, DB forgot about Lisa due to her drinking and "adult time" or just lost track of time. I think that Lisa was taken from the tub directly to the spot that the dog hit on next to DB's bed. I haven't heard back yet from the SAR experts on whether or not a dog would hit on this area if the shower was run hot for a long time afterwards and cleaned out. However, even if a dog HAD hit here, I don't know that we would have necessarily been privy to it as the general public. Just my thoughts.

 

[cityslick]

What about if she took the baby into her master bedroom to sleep and a drunken mother passed out on top of the child. Could she have woken up to find a dead baby in her bed?

Cadaver dogs should be all over that bed then

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Debbie looked happy to me when telling a local reporter how "excited" (her word) she was to go on McGraw's show and was releasing new pics of Lisa for the supposed audience of 7 million people. Which begs the question, why didn't she release those pics when Lisa "disappeared", why wait until after 3 months of silence. And the pics are old now anyways because Lisa is older. If she’s alive. And why is Debbie licensing Lisa's pics for money instead of giving them to media?? I saw on HuffPost that the licensing agreement for Lisa’s pics had expired when Debbie was in hiding. I see zero guilt that Lisa is gone or desperate sadness like we see in other parents whose children are truly abducted. She cried at first but apparently couldn't keep up the pretense so she went into hiding & still refuses to cooperate with police. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. All JMO.

BBM: A licensing agreement does NOT necessarily mean money has changed hands. The photos are their property, she may have had to sign an agreement for them to be used to avoid potential copyright infringements. the photos could have been from a relative as far as we know, still the same would apply and the user would want an agreement signed for permission to use them. some agreements automatically have an expiry date enclosed such as six months or one year from date of signing. It's a CYA for the user.

 

[octobermoon]

I don't know if this has already been posted, sorry if it has.

The Kansas City-based attorney for the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin wasn’t on the “Dr. Phil” show with the family on Friday, but he says that overall he was pleased with how their nationally-televised interview went.

http://fox4kc.com/2012/02/03/irwins-metro-lawyer-pleased-following-familys-dr-phil-appearance/

 

[annalia]

I thought the man was spotted something like midnight, then 2am, then 4am? Regardless, 3 different people spotting the same things and were suspicious? Clearly it wasn't a coincidence, IMO. So 3 people are just desperate for camera time? How often have you ever seen a man carrying a baby at 4am in just a diaper (IIRC)?

I think one of the sightings that's gotten lumped in is from the gas station, the one where you can't make heads or tails out of what it even is, or what the person is carrying, if anything at all. The one where JT said that this confirmed sighting was of a person coming out of the woods when in fact there aren't even any woods there.

That begs another question, would someone who just kidnapped a baby be walking out under those bright lights, through the gas station with cars coming in and out carrying a baby only clad in a diaper? Sounds pretty far fetched to me.

JMHO

 

[mrsu]

But, it is a fact that the truth never changes...the truth...

However, alcohol can change what your recollections of the truth is.

 

[natsound]

What about if she took the baby into her master bedroom to sleep and a drunken mother passed out on top of the child. Could she have woken up to find a dead baby in her bed?

I have thought about that. Would Lisa have been old enough to squirm out of that situation? When I picture a baby dying from that, I picture a very, very young infant.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I thought the man was spotted something like midnight, then 2am, then 4am? Regardless, 3 different people spotting the same things and were suspicious? Clearly it wasn't a coincidence, IMO. So 3 people are just desperate for camera time? How often have you ever seen a man carrying a baby at 4am in just a diaper (IIRC)?

No, I said that perhaps the first sighting (by the couple) were either mistaken or seeing something staged or seeing someone assisting DB. That is just as plausible as a kidnapper walking around with a baby in plain sight.

The SECOND sighting by the man on the motorcycle I believe was possibly just someone wanting camera time.

The other sighting that you mentioned is that of the gas station video surveillance that no one could even tell if it was a man or a woman. I'm sure that there would have been many gas stations with videos of people walking on them if truth be told.

As far as your question about whether or not I have ever seen a man carrying a baby at 4 am or not - I would think that it would be more far more likely to see an innocent man carrying a baby out in the open around than for someone who had abducted a baby. IF this person was seen walking around for 3-4 hours, I would completely believe that this person wanted to be seen with a baby, for whatever reason.