Decomposed Body found in Scurry Co.*3/16/13* - LE identified as being Hailey

[AmandaReckonwith]

I deserved that. What's the saying, ask a stupid question ... :facepalm:

LOL... I'm sorry, something just came over me. Too much of what I do makes me crazy.

 

[Knox]

LOL... I'm sorry, something just came over me. Too much of what I do makes me crazy.

No need to be sorry, laughing with you

 

[x_files]

These cases take so long, I often start to think they aren't LE or anyone's priority. Discouraging.
So many unsolved cases right now.

 

[Cubby]

He said he saw a skull with no lower jaw, a femur and a loose tooth. Per his experience remains had been there less than five years. That's about it. He wouldn't speculate who it was due to concern for the families

Interesting, thank you kirby. If teeth remained in the upper jaw, they should be able to get a dental age. A dental age wouldn't make a positive id, but it could rule out whether these remains belong to Hailey.

I think they would need a forensic odontologist to make the determination on dental age and I don't know how long it might take for them to get one to look at the remains. I'm going to guess a month....

 

[cluciano63]

I have trouble believing that if there is any chance these remains belong to Hailey, that they would simply be placed "in line" and wait their turn. This would be a case of child murder; adults may end up dead in other ways, but not children.

I am thinking that they probably know this is not Hailey, but I have kind of felt that way for a while now.

 

[Cubby]

I have trouble believing that if there is any chance these remains belong to Hailey, that they would simply be placed "in line" and wait their turn. This would be a case of child murder; adults may end up dead in other ways, but not children.

I am thinking that they probably know this is not Hailey, but I have kind of felt that way for a while now.

It could be. LE is not obligated to publicly state who has been ruled out, if any rule out's have been made.

 

[For The Kids]

It could be. LE is not obligated to publicly state who has been ruled out, if any rule out's have been made.

I feel the other way that they do believe its Hailey. For several reasons really but one question I have is last night he said in his opinion the bones were no more than five years old. How many of those that are missing have been missing than less than five years?

 

[Frostess]

Based on remains found in the past, as soon as they knew that it was NOT Hailey they came out and stated as much within days. IMO, the fact that they have not came out and said that it is not her, nor have they stated the sex of the remains, leave me to believe that LE believe that it IS her and are waiting for confirmation. The fact that they have not come out and said that they are male remains leave me to believe they are female. We still don't know who the remains are from the airport, but it was quickly stated that it was a male. I'm sure they know by the skull size and shape whether it is male or female at this point. The longer they are quiet the more likely that this IS Hailey. JMHO

 

[matou]

ITA. A male adult skull has more bumps and ridges on it, especially at the brow area and the back of the skull. The forehead area isn't as flat as a female skull. The jaw bone is also a good way to tell but that part is missing.

 

[Cubby]

I feel the other way that they do believe its Hailey. For several reasons really but one question I have is last night he said in his opinion the bones were no more than five years old. How many of those that are missing have been missing than less than five years?

I didn't mean to imply one way or the other if I think these are Hailey's remains. There is too little information available to determine one way or the other.

My reply was to Cluciano's suggested possibility, which I could see as being plausible.

Another possibility is LE knows these are not Hailey, but are not going to make a public announcement hoping the perp(s) will slip up.

I've seen cases listed with NamUs where the ME does not list the names of exclusions, even though dna is available and is compared through the appropriate data bases.

 

[Soulmagent]

A person close to me recently found human remains in the woods and LE does know who the remains belong to but have not issued a public statement about them.

The person was reported missing and I believe the reason they have not released the name of the person is because they do suspect family members to be involved.

It has been almost 6 months.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I believe at this point that the remains are either Hailey or they are not. I just don't know. I think it is very possible but it's possible it is someone else. Just waiting....

 

[mkay882]

I didn't mean to imply one way or the other if I think these are Hailey's remains. There is too little information available to determine one way or the other.

My reply was to Cluciano's suggested possibility, which I could see as being plausible.

Another possibility is LE knows these are not Hailey, but are not going to make a public announcement hoping the perp(s) will slip up.

I've seen cases listed with NamUs where the ME does not list the names of exclusions, even though dna is available and is compared through the appropriate data bases.

If this is not Hailey, 'the perps' aren't worried. 'They' know where she is.

 

[kirby]

I believe at this point that the remains are either Hailey or they are not. I just don't know. I think it is very possible but it's possible it is someone else. Just waiting....

I don't know either, but what are the odds of finding two bodies in that big springs- ccity-Snyder triangle. We're talking west Texas, not Chicago - murders are fairly rare

 

[missgulfsouth]

I have trouble believing that if there is any chance these remains belong to Hailey, that they would simply be placed "in line" and wait their turn. This would be a case of child murder; adults may end up dead in other ways, but not children.

I am thinking that they probably know this is not Hailey, but I have kind of felt that way for a while now.

I agree. It didn't take long at all for ME to ID Caylee Anthony's remains, they had results very quickly.

 

[For The Kids]

I agree. It didn't take long at all for ME to ID Caylee Anthony's remains, they had results very quickly.

Then again they most likely had more remains than they possibly have of Hailey .

 

[cluciano63]

Then again they most likely had more remains than they possibly have of Hailey .

All they really need is a bit of bone from which to extract DNA and match against her mom's, as far as I know. The amount of remains should not matter, as long as they can retrieve DNA.

 

[swedie]

JMO but I find it odd and troublesome that there were only a few bones found. I realize animals and birds can scavenge and carry sections away, but that many bones missing (or overlooked)?! Over 200 bones were taken from that area by scavengers?! I understand hands and feet together are made up of half the bones in a body and teeth count for many also, but what about the other femur or other larger bones such as the tibia, fibula, pelvis, the humerus, the whole spine and rib cage? If this was a full grown adult you would think the bones would be harder for an animal to carry or drag away. And once there was no flesh on the bones, would an animal actually still be interested in the just the bones?

MOO but I assume this is a child or someone with a small framed for animals to have carried parts far enough away that they would not be found by detectives in their search. The other thought I had...was this person butchered and parts dumped in other areas? From pictures and information posted on SA's fb and YT, his interest in gore movies and his missing work coveralls, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened (butchering). Maybe I am assuming the worst but I just cannot get past so many missing bones. Of course unless the body had been there for decades exposed to the elements and have disintegrated, I don't get the lack of bones found within that vicinity.

I guess I find it hard to believe that if it is Hailey, that is all there is left of her. Such a beautiful little girl. She deserves to be found and laid to rest. Sadly yes I do believe Hailey is gone. :tears:

 

[sarx]

I wouldn't put too much stock into what has or more importantly hasn't been said in the media regarding the bones.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I agree. It didn't take long at all for ME to ID Caylee Anthony's remains, they had results very quickly.

Caylee's remains were found in the Anthony's neighborhood, had an intact skeleton covered by parts of a plastic bag and there were many other pieces of evidence scattered around her - a totally different situation from a broken skeleton scattered out on the prairie.

I think they are trying to be careful and find as much of skeleton as possible before they say anything. And DNA matching takes time everywhere except on CSI or NCIS.