Defending Misty on Jan 10, 2011 in Putnam County

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BBM

Agent Smith answered that question when he testified.

FDLE Agent Travis Smith had portrayed Croslin as the "bigger fish" who doesn't get offered a deal by the state.

"She's been moving an enormous amount of prescription pills in our community," said Smith. "Misty Croslin initiated all the drug transactions."

IMO, as LE believes that Misty is the "key" in Haleigh's disappearance, no way is Agent Smith going to provide any type of testimony beneficial to Misty. They wanted to apply pressure to Misty to get her to crack with Haleigh. No way was he going to testify to Misty's real crime....being a go-between who when someone asked if she could get them some drugs, she did the exchange between the person with the money and the person who had the drugs. Similar to having furniture delivered to your house. The person who delivers the furniture is nothing more than a go-between.

IMO, how over-exaggerated his testimony was to get Misty as long of a sentence as possible to provide pressure for the Haleigh investigation is evidenced by the bolded comment above.

My regulary legal monthly prescriptions of pain medications are more than she was "moving." Obviously, I'm not selling my prescriptions. However, just for context, anyone with long term chronic pain has more pain pills than the "enormous amount of prescription pills" she was moving.

 

[Baxter]

There it is in black and white as far as I'm concerned Papa. Apparantly, PCSO doesn't know what "numerical" really means either.

BBM Great quote!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO, as LE believes that Misty is the "key" in Haleigh's disappearance, no way is Agent Smith going to provide any type of testimony beneficial to Misty. They wanted to apply pressure to Misty to get her to crack with Haleigh. No way was he going to testify to Misty's real crime....being a go-between who when someone asked if she could get them some drugs, she did the exchange between the person with the money and the person who had the drugs. Similar to having furniture delivered to your house. The person who delivers the furniture is nothing more than a go-between.

IMO, how over-exaggerated his testimony was to get Misty as long of a sentence as possible to provide pressure for the Haleigh investigation is evidenced by the bolded comment above.

My regularly legal monthly prescriptions of pain medications are more than she was "moving." Obviously, I'm not selling my prescriptions. However, just for context, anyone with long term chronic pain has more pain pills than the "enormous amount of prescription pills" she was moving.

I really don't think it had anything to do with LE expecting Misty to crack and confess. Imo they have long known Misty is not going to incriminate herself or who helped her dispose of Haleigh's body.

I think by the time the drug sentencing came around LE has washed their hands of Misty and wasnt expecting her to do anything other than what she has been doing for 20 months.

IMO

 

[cyberborg]

IMO, as LE believes that Misty is the "key" in Haleigh's disappearance, no way is Agent Smith going to provide any type of testimony beneficial to Misty. They wanted to apply pressure to Misty to get her to crack with Haleigh. No way was he going to testify to Misty's real crime....being a go-between who when someone asked if she could get them some drugs, she did the exchange between the person with the money and the person who had the drugs. Similar to having furniture delivered to your house. The person who delivers the furniture is nothing more than a go-between.

IMO, how over-exaggerated his testimony was to get Misty as long of a sentence as possible to provide pressure for the Haleigh investigation is evidenced by the bolded comment above.

My regulary legal monthly prescriptions of pain medications are more than she was "moving." Obviously, I'm not selling my prescriptions. However, just for context, anyone with long term chronic pain has more pain pills than the "enormous amount of prescription pills" she was moving.

I completely agree.

I do not see anywhere where Misty had real drug contacts and had a consistent supply. Misty was tapping into folks like DB. They were rank amateurs. Friends and family plan. There was NO way they could have kept this dealing up.

However, it is Ron that seems to have the 'connections' and was sorta/kinda using Misty as a front and as a runner. I see Ron in control and in the driving seat.

IMO the objective of the UC was to use naive Misty, to gain her confidence and, to bring Ron out from behind the scenes. Ron got over-confident and joined in with Misty on these other deals. Once they sucked him in they busted them.

Sure LE wanted to pressure Misty but they also wanted to pressure Ron every bit as much.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM

Agent Smith answered that question when he testified.

FDLE Agent Travis Smith had portrayed Croslin as the "bigger fish" who doesn't get offered a deal by the state.

"She's been moving an enormous amount of prescription pills in our community," said Smith. "Misty Croslin initiated all the drug transactions."

If 200 pills are considered enormous to this Agent Smith then he must have started his job yesterday. 200 pills are peanuts in the drug dealing arena. IMO, this entire setup was pure bull manure. Misty should have been sentenced for Youthful Offender and not sacrificed so that LE could wipe the egg off of their faces. Misty would not be considered a competent mule for her "drug kingpin" activities.............GMAB. It was so obvious that the UC agent made sure that the arrests for Misty were for the required amounts and for the times that they knew that she would be either buying or delivering what they had requested. This may be science but it isn't rocket science to figure out what happened in this "infamous" case........:banghead:

 

[lonetraveler]

IMO, as LE believes that Misty is the "key" in Haleigh's disappearance, no way is Agent Smith going to provide any type of testimony beneficial to Misty. They wanted to apply pressure to Misty to get her to crack with Haleigh. No way was he going to testify to Misty's real crime....being a go-between who when someone asked if she could get them some drugs, she did the exchange between the person with the money and the person who had the drugs. Similar to having furniture delivered to your house. The person who delivers the furniture is nothing more than a go-between.

IMO, how over-exaggerated his testimony was to get Misty as long of a sentence as possible to provide pressure for the Haleigh investigation is evidenced by the bolded comment above.

My regulary legal monthly prescriptions of pain medications are more than she was "moving." Obviously, I'm not selling my prescriptions. However, just for context, anyone with long term chronic pain has more pain pills than the "enormous amount of prescription pills" she was moving.

I so agree with your post. Misty was sentenced for having the amount of pills that the UC most likely asked for, imagine that? This entire play was so predictable and obvious.

 

[dodie20]

I completely agree.

I do not see anywhere where Misty had real drug contacts and had a consistent supply. Misty was tapping into folks like DB. They were rank amateurs. Friends and family plan. There was NO way they could have kept this dealing up.

However, it is Ron that seems to have the 'connections' and was sorta/kinda using Misty as a front and as a runner. I see Ron in control and in the driving seat.

IMO the objective of the UC was to use naive Misty, to gain her confidence and, to bring Ron out from behind the scenes. Ron got over-confident and joined in with Misty on these other deals. Once they sucked him in they busted them.

Sure LE wanted to pressure Misty but they also wanted to pressure Ron every bit as much.

You're right about Ron. If LE was keeping as close an eye on this bunch as I think they were, they knew that Misty & Ron were back together, & had never really broken up. Just because Misty went to Donna's for awhile & her GM's, doesn't mean she & Ron lost contact. It's MOO, that as soon as she got back to town, they picked up where they had left off. Them staying apart for awhile, was probably a ploy to 'trick' LE. Ron's idea, IMO. Their road rage incident convinced me that they were very much together...just hanging out & having a good ol' time. That incident, IMO, convinced LE that the timing was right to get both of them. I do believe the whole bust was orchestrated down to the last detail...Misty & Ron being together, her being 18, her having charges in 2 counties. I even lean towards thinking there were reasons behind Hope & Donna being busted. LE calling Misty the ringleader, IMO, was just part of the plan. They wanted to put the most pressure on her, & they did. Did that plan pay off? maybe. In other words, I don't think anything involved in the bust was random. They were all targeted. MOO.

 

[lonetraveler]

One of these two was a drug trafficking “Kingpin” while the other was a co conspirator underling being directed to do the bidding of the boss. Suppose you were a “Drug Lord” and were taking applications for the job position of “Kingpin”. Which of these two seems best qualified for the role?

EXPERIENCE

-Almost eight years ago, one of these two was arrested for the following drug offenses while the other was only NINE YEARS OLD:

2002-12-12 POSSESSION OF COCAINE
2002-12-12 POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
2002-12-12 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS UNDER 20 GRAMS
2002-12-12 POSSESSION OF DRUG WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION
2002-12-12 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA

-Five years ago, one of these two was arrested for the following drug offenses while the other was just THIRTEEN YEARS OLD.

10/18/2005 - POSS CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE NO PRESC
10/18/2005 - POSS CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE NO PRESC
10/18/2005 - NARCOTIC EQUIPTMENT POSS/USE
10/18/2005 - VIOLATION DV INJUNCTION
10/18/2005 - POSS NEW LEGEND DRUG NO PRESC.

-The other one had never even had a ticket for jaywalking.

KNOWLEDGE OF LOCAL SOURCES

-One of these two had lived in the market area their entire life and appears to have been immersed in the drug culture for at least 10 years.

-The other one had only lived in the market area less than two years.

LEADERSHIP AND MARKETING SKILLS

-While under recent surveillance video, one of these two was recorded saying the following:



-The other one had a sixth grade education and recently didn’t even know what a numerical was.

Who was the real "Kingpin"?

Yep, Papa, you're right, the resume speaks for itself. No on the job training needed, he can start right away!

 

[Baznme]

I think the police knows what happened 5 or 10 years ago has nothing to do with who participated or who was the kingpin in the 2010 arrests.

LE has a reason to know Misty was the main drug dealer when Agent Smith stated so. As Emma said LE were watching their every move so they know much more about what Misty's wheeling and dealings where than any of us, imo.

IMO

Like I said, "it's in black and white, as far as I'm concerned". Your criminal record follows you around for the rest of your life, but it certainly doesn't seem to taken seriously by LE in this case.....however, it does by me. That's my opinion and I hope everyday that we shall see justice served.......in the end.

 

[lonetraveler]

People lie. Everyone has stretched the truth to one degree or another. Some have even done so under oath. Some people lie habitually; others do it rarely or only when it serves them, but I have never met a person who has not at some time or other at least stretched the truth a bit.

There are lies by omission, by sugar-coating, by exaggerating an event in the retelling, and by deliberate deception. Lies come in varying forms and levels and just about anyone can find one to suit them, if need be.

I have lived long enough that I no longer have to keep reminding myself that just because someone is a doctor, a priest, nun, judge, attorney, or LE, it is best to not assume that because they said something, it must be true.

Yep, prisons hold a lot of doctors, religious leaders, attornies, politicians and lots of Law Enforcement personnel. I feel the same way.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yep, I'm sure that the good folks in Putnam and St. Johns counties feel much safer now that the pizz ant of a girl "Kingpin" Drug Ring Leader is in prison. Pin a medal on those officers!

 

[cyberborg]

Imo, a drug trafficker cant be just along for the ride when they are doing more drug dealings than anyone else without all the group participating.

Now did some of them get caught because they were just rode along with Misty when she was drug trafficking? Possibly.

IMO

To me, the above is a definition of a go-between or runner. In all cases of crime, whether it is drugs or credit card theft you typically find the 'controllers' well hidden behind the scenes and they use expendible patsy's and fall guys to do their dirty work. A 'controller' can run more than one runner.

The cool thing that the UC did was to draw Ron in, making him feel safe and secure that he could expose himself to these new deals that Misty had brought him (thanks to the UC tricking her) and ... LE pulled the trigger as soon as they had Ron on tape and saying the things that he did.

Typically the ring leader is not out front and center and exposed in risky trivial deals, they keep behind the scenes and you have to draw them out.

 

[lonetraveler]

So, big, bad Misty had Ron, Tommy, Hope and Donna working for her???? Totally amazing concept, really. :woohoo:

 

[cyberborg]

People lie. Everyone has stretched the truth to one degree or another. Some have even done so under oath. Some people lie habitually; others do it rarely or only when it serves them, but I have never met a person who has not at some time or other at least stretched the truth a bit.

There are lies by omission, by sugar-coating, by exaggerating an event in the retelling, and by deliberate deception. Lies come in varying forms and levels and just about anyone can find one to suit them, if need be.

I have lived long enough that I no longer have to keep reminding myself that just because someone is a doctor, a priest, nun, judge, attorney, or LE, it is best to not assume that because they said something, it must be true.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

I had heard that in the recent conference that Ron was almost put forward by the Pope for a sainthood for his significant sacrifice to humanity and never being guilty of anything other than ... being along for the ride. :innocent: :angel:

 

[suspicious1]

I really don't think it had anything to do with LE expecting Misty to crack and confess. Imo they have long known Misty is not going to incriminate herself or who helped her dispose of Haleigh's body.

I think by the time the drug sentencing came around LE has washed their hands of Misty and wasnt expecting her to do anything other than what she has been doing for 20 months.

IMO

If this is true...why did LE go speak with Misty after her sentence hearing? :waitasec:

 

[Concerned Papa]

So, big, bad Misty had Ron, Tommy, Hope and Donna working for her???? Totally amazing concept, really. :woohoo:

Yep. It's a totally avant garde concept used in this case of starting at the top with the "Kingpin" and working their way DOWN to the bottom echelon of the drug cartel!

I can see it taking root as protocol for infiltrating drug rings everywhere. No longer will LE have to start at the bottom. Just call up the wily 18 year old "Kingpin" and ask if they've got any pills to sell!

 

[Concerned Papa]

"Misty Croslin initiated all the drug transactions."

Suuuurrrre she did................

-“them yellow Percocets man, I’m gonna have to get $8 for them, but there’s gonna be 50 of them!”

-“I guarantee you there’s 50 Percocets right around the corner there”

-“I don’t know if you do Roxies......I can get them”

-“I’ll get it for you, no problem”

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Like I said, "it's in black and white, as far as I'm concerned". Your criminal record follows you around for the rest of your life, but it certainly doesn't seem to taken seriously by LE in this case.....however, it does by me. That's my opinion and I hope everyday that we shall see justice served.......in the end.

I think it would only be comparable if Misty were the same age as Ron Cummings. At 18 she already has multiple drug trafficking offenses.

If she had been out and about for another 8 years I have no doubt she would have racked up more multiple drug trafficking offenses.

IMO

 

[dodie20]

I think it would only be comparable if Misty were the same age as Ron Cummings. At 18 she already has multiple drug trafficking offenses.

If she had been out and about for another 8 years I have no doubt she would have racked up more multiple drug trafficking offenses.

IMO

but that's just guess work. It's not guess work with Ron. & Misty at 18, can't be compared to Ron, at 26...because he was the 1 with the long list of priors. & him managing to not get in trouble for a few years, means absolutely nothing. There's no magical number of years, where prior crimes don't count anymore. That's why they were put on his record.

 

[dodie20]

I really don't think it had anything to do with LE expecting Misty to crack and confess. Imo they have long known Misty is not going to incriminate herself or who helped her dispose of Haleigh's body.

I think by the time the drug sentencing came around LE has washed their hands of Misty and wasnt expecting her to do anything other than what she has been doing for 20 months.

IMO

I do believe it had everything to do with pressing Misty for the truth. If not, LE wouldn't have conducted that search, based on Tommy's & her story. They've had no trouble, in the past, shooting down leads, so if they hadn't believed this one, they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble...given public statements, met with the families, etc...also, Art reported that Misty had another meeting with LE, where she told them to ask Tommy. LE is still, IMO, pressing Misty, their proclaimed 'key'. As for LE knowing that Misty won't incriminate herself or confess, I disagree. I don't think LE has any idea of what she's gonna do. I see a lot of circumstantial evidence, & I'm sure they have evidence we haven't heard about, & Ron has agreed to testify...& if it all points to Misty, why hasn't LE done something about it? Art also listed a combination of possibilities LE is still considering, so I'm thinking that they're still trying to piece this case together ..suspect? yes. but know? no.