Defending Misty on Jan 10, 2011 in Putnam County

[oceanblueeyes]

but that's just guess work. It's not guess work with Ron. & Misty at 18, can't be compared to Ron, at 26...because he was the 1 with the long list of priors. & him managing to not get in trouble for a few years, means absolutely nothing. There's no magical number of years, where prior crimes don't count anymore. That's why they were put on his record.

So you think Misty was just going to stop in her tracks and do no more drug trafficking?

Convictions do count that is for sure.

How many did Ron have at the age of 18 and how many is Misty going to have at 18?

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I do believe it had everything to do with pressing Misty for the truth. If not, LE wouldn't have conducted that search, based on Tommy's & her story. They've had no trouble, in the past, shooting down leads, so if they hadn't believed this one, they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble...given public statements, met with the families, etc...also, Art reported that Misty had another meeting with LE, where she told them to ask Tommy. LE is still, IMO, pressing Misty, their proclaimed 'key'. As for LE knowing that Misty won't incriminate herself or confess, I disagree. I don't think LE has any idea of what she's gonna do. I see a lot of circumstantial evidence, & I'm sure they have evidence we haven't heard about, & Ron has agreed to testify...& if it all points to Misty, why hasn't LE done something about it? Art also listed a combination of possibilities LE is still considering, so I'm thinking that they're still trying to piece this case together ..suspect? yes. but know? no.

They gave her one last chance to tell them where Haleigh's body was before she was sentenced. It is obvious that she refused since poor Haleigh's remains are out there somewhere discarded in an unknown place. After she was sentenced to 25 and refused to give up that information imo the police and the DA have washed their hands of Misty Croslin and I doubt she has had any conversations with LE since her incarceration in the Lowell Annex. She is on her own now. I believe when she comes back for sentencing in January 2010 once again the DA and FLDE will blast her once more.

That was way back in April wasnt it when they did the river search? That was just another ruse between Misty and Tommy but LE must check out all leads even if they come from the mouths of known liars. They would have been remiss in their duties if they had not searched for Haleigh there and followed up on every tip they have received.

Because one person's testimony isn't enough. If that were the case a DA would go to trial just based on a defendant confessing on video tape but they know it takes a lot more than that to get a conviction.

Imo, Ron wasnt there when Haleigh was harmed but he may be able to testify about what was said to him by the perps and layout the time line but LE has to have solid evidence to prove something in court beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do think they are still trying to find further circumstantial evidence to support a trial. I think they have long known who did this but knowing and proving is an entirely different matter. It is just like a lot of unsolved cases where LE knew all along who the suspect was but needed the evidence to support it in court.

I pray that they find that evidence and that justice will come for Haleigh and her family.

IMO

 

[suspicious1]

So you think Misty was just going to stop in her tracks and do no more drug trafficking?

Convictions do count that is for sure.

How many did Ron have at the age of 18 and how many is Misty going to have at 18?

IMO

In a previous post, IIRC, you argued the fact that Ron hadn't been in trouble for quite some time, therefore he was no longer dealing drugs.. I can't remember verbatim what you said but I know you were stuck on the fact that Ron hadn't been in trouble for awhile...even inquiring about his last incident..so let me ask you this:

Did you think that Ron just stopped in his tracks and would do no more drug trafficking? IMO, it seems that, that's what you were implying. As we all see, that was not the case..he just hadn't been caught.

So IMO, you had faith that Ron had stopped his drug dealing ways long ago...so why don't you have faith in Misty?

 

[lonetraveler]

So you think Misty was just going to stop in her tracks and do no more drug trafficking?

Convictions do count that is for sure.

How many did Ron have at the age of 18 and how many is Misty going to have at 18?

IMO

Well, one thing we do know for sure: Getting caught several times and going to court did not stop Ronald Cummings from dealing drugs. Didn't even slow him down. I have a feeling that Misty getting caught and sitting in jail might have taught her not to get involved with drug dealing again. I do believe that jail had a much greater impact on her than an impact on Ron. He has been put into jail several times in the past and it obviously didn't bother him very much.

 

[dodie20]

In a previous post, IIRC, you argued the fact that Ron hadn't been in trouble for quite some time, therefore he was no longer dealing drugs.. I can't remember verbatim what you said but I know you were stuck on the fact that Ron hadn't been in trouble for awhile...even inquiring about his last incident..so let me ask you this:

Did you think that Ron just stopped in his tracks and would do no more drug trafficking? IMO, it seems that, that's what you were implying. As we all see, that was not the case..he just hadn't been caught.

So IMO, you had faith that Ron had stopped his drug dealing ways long ago...so why don't you have faith in Misty?

THANK YOU!!! There were plenty of accusations & speculation, that Ron being a NARK, was how he stayed out of trouble. (I doubt somebody like Geraldo just pulled that out of a hat). Yes, Ron denied it, but he has been caught in a lot of lies, since then, & that may have been another 1. Him going a few years, without trouble, means nothing to me.

 

[lonetraveler]

They gave her one last chance to tell them where Haleigh's body was before she was sentenced. It is obvious that she refused since poor Haleigh's remains are out there somewhere discarded in an unknown place. After she was sentenced to 25 and refused to give up that information imo the police and the DA have washed their hands of Misty Croslin and I doubt she has had any conversations with LE since her incarceration in the Lowell Annex. She is on her own now. I believe when she comes back for sentencing in January 2010 once again the DA and FLDE will blast her once more.

That was way back in April wasnt it when they did the river search? That was just another ruse between Misty and Tommy but LE must check out all leads even if they come from the mouths of known liars. They would have been remiss in their duties if they had not searched for Haleigh there and followed up on every tip they have received.

Because one person's testimony isn't enough. If that were the case a DA would go to trial just based on a defendant confessing on video tape but they know it takes a lot more than that to get a conviction.

Imo, Ron wasnt there when Haleigh was harmed but he may be able to testify about what was said to him by the perps and layout the time line but LE has to have solid evidence to prove something in court beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do think they are still trying to find further circumstantial evidence to support a trial. I think they have long known who did this but knowing and proving is an entirely different matter. It is just like a lot of unsolved cases where LE knew all along who the suspect was but needed the evidence to support it in court.

I pray that they find that evidence and that justice will come for Haleigh and her family.

IMO

As I have stated many times, IMO Misty can't tell LE where Haleigh's body is because she doesn't know where Haleigh's body is. Also IMO, Ronald harmed Haleigh and then cowardly took off to work and left his mother to handle getting Misty over to the MH and to handle the cleanup.

 

[suspicious1]

THANK YOU!!! There were plenty of accusations & speculation, that Ron being a NARK, was how he stayed out of trouble. (I doubt somebody like Geraldo just pulled that out of a hat). Yes, Ron denied it, but he has been caught in a lot of lies, since then, & that may have been another 1. Him going a few years, without trouble, means nothing to me.

It means nothing to me either, Dodie...all that tells me is Ron got wiser with his drug dealing...and he probably vowed to never be caught again..and in the process...he came across the perfect "stoopid" girl to do the dealing for him. That gave him the opportunity to stay behind the scenes but still make his money...Drugs dealers do this all the time.

 

[SoSueMe]

Imo, a drug trafficker cant be just along for the ride when they are doing more drug dealings than anyone else without all the group participating.

Now did some of them get caught because they were just rode along with Misty when she was drug trafficking? Possibly.

IMO

LOL Yeah, okay.

 

[twall]

I still HAVE to have hope that these drug sentences aren't the end, as far as justice for Haleigh is concerned.

In no way do I believe that Misty was the ring leader of this "trafficking organization"...if you can even call it that. Was there posession with intent to sell/ distribute ? Yes. Could the state have charged them with that, instead of trafficking charges...yes. Misty was no ring leader here, Ron was just as involved, if not more, and he got off with 15 years, with charges dropped to boot.

My ONLY hope, is that Misty and/or Tommy are going to testify against Ron in Haleigh's disappearance and death. Tommy, for some reason is still at St Johns County Jail...Misty was moved to prison (Lowell), while she has more drug charges in Putnam Co. to answer to. Something is not right with this scenario.

There has been one ring leader since Haleigh's disappearance (and most likely before that) and that is Ron. He chooses people who are younger than he is for a reason, he knows they are easier to manipulate and manipulate is what Ron does best. He's been given every break, by LE, for his past drug charges. I hope the states atty is ready to give the guilty the punishment they deserve. Haleigh deserves justice...no matter who has to pay the price.

The above is mostly my opinion based on what I have read and heard concerning this case...and my opinions are pretty much set in stone.

BBM, Tommy is no longer an inmate at the SJC jail, he was transported back to DOC last week.

 

[Baznme]

I think it would only be comparable if Misty were the same age as Ron Cummings. At 18 she already has multiple drug trafficking offenses.If she had been out and about for another 8 years I have no doubt she would have racked up more multiple drug trafficking offenses.IMO

BBM - Show me something on her record (PRE-Ron). There's nothing! Also for the sake of argument that it would only be comparable if Misty were the same age as Ron is ridiculous since no one can predict the future. We have to go by what we know, "what's written in black and white".

That's quite a stretch OBE.

 

[Baznme]

So you think Misty was just going to stop in her tracks and do no more drug trafficking?

Convictions do count that is for sure.

How many did Ron have at the age of 18 and how many is Misty going to have at 18?IMO

BBM - Every one of her charges is since being with RC. Does that count?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In a previous post, IIRC, you argued the fact that Ron hadn't been in trouble for quite some time, therefore he was no longer dealing drugs.. I can't remember verbatim what you said but I know you were stuck on the fact that Ron hadn't been in trouble for awhile...even inquiring about his last incident..so let me ask you this:

Did you think that Ron just stopped in his tracks and would do no more drug trafficking? IMO, it seems that, that's what you were implying. As we all see, that was not the case..he just hadn't been caught.

So IMO, you had faith that Ron had stopped his drug dealing ways long ago...so why don't you have faith in Misty?

I believe once the narc division knows a person is dealing drugs, and has been arrested for it they have their snitches who keep up with that person, and the snitches will tell them if they are still continuing to peddle drugs. And Satsuma is a very small community and I have found LE knows a lot of what is going on when it comes to drug dealings in small towns. Snitches will tell on anyone just to keep themselves out of jail. So imo, if he was dealing during those 5 years someone in the drug selling world would have known it, and would have squealed like a pig to LE a long time ago.

Since Ron gained and retained custody of his children all those years and DFC was involved, which is common when single parents these days are awarded custody of their children, I have nothing to base anything on that during that time span he was dealing drugs except he was arrested in January 2010 after the loss of one child back in February 2009.

If Misty had children and had custody of them and she wasnt arrested for drug dealings during those years, I would have to believe she was not dealing drugs because DFS would also have been involved imo. If Misty had had a job that required random drug testing in order to keep it, then I would think she wasnt doing drugs either if she continued to keep her job.

Crystal has Jr now and DFS is involved so therefore I no longer believe she is doing drugs anymore. I think the same guidelines were in place when Ron had the children.

Do I think Ron would have stopped after the recent drug deals? No, I don't. Just like I don't think Misty would have either.

Sometimes when someone loses a loved one they can spiral down to where they were once before and go back to making the same horrible decisions.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM - Show me something on her record (PRE-Ron). There's nothing! Also for the sake of argument that it would only be comparable if Misty were the same age as Ron is ridiculous since no one can predict the future. We have to go by what we know, "what's written in black and white".

That's quite a stretch OBE.

I suppose it may be.

So we will go with what IS black and white.

So at the age of 18, Misty Croslin, already has 7 offenses of drug trafficking and has received 25 years for one and is awaiting sentence on the other multiple charges in January 2011.

IMO

 

[twall]

Thanks OBE.

Of course I agree no one has a right to sell drugs. I didn't say youths have the right to break the law. Who would say that?

But, the point is that youthful offender status would be considered & is typically permitted when the offender has not reached age of majority and it's a first offense and it's not a crime of violence and there is no previous record (as in Misty's situation). The fact is that a youthful offender COULD be tried as an adult, but is not mandated they be tried as an adult. Had they arrested Misty one month prior, while she was still eligible for youthful offender status they'd have risked their strategy - the threat of these players facing significantly long minimum mandatories was necessary if LE hoped to strong-arm confessions out of this gang. And Misty would have been a very typical candidate for eligible for youthful offender status.

I should probably explain why I feel strongly about this strategy of LE's and the fact that LE was after Misty, Tommy and Ron, and they waited specifically for Misty to be 18.

Like quite a few here, I've been a faithful follower of threads in the basement on the scanner (nee Haleigh basement thread) from the inception of that thread (spring, 2009) - it was a rumor thread at first - through the present day. (okay, that was hard to see in writing - oh my gosh! hew: how long we've been holding firm here waiting on our Haleigh's justice @ WS ) We celebrated Misty's 18th birthday and we knew exactly where she spent it because we were able to follow LE on the scanner as they followed this gang's every move for a year. EVERY MOVE! I think we pretty much knew (with a few weeks exception) where Ron and Misty, Tommy and Nay Nay and any other Misty acquaintance/party-friend/lover was every week just by the scanner and jail log activity. And it was clear to us in the last few months of Misty's 18th year that she'd be arrested for SOMETHING as soon as she turned 18. And guess what? She was. And the super scannettes here on Haleigh's scanner thread actually heard & recorded the reports of the sales she made as they went down on the scanner with LE eavesdropping the UC's locations. Of course we wondered, but we couldn't confirm it was the undercover working with Misty at the Kangaroo that LE was stalking (for example), until we did our rewinds - after the fact.

Anyway, that's why it's my very strong opinion that LE was quite careful to make sure Misty would not qualify for Youthful Offender status and waited for her to reach the age of majority before making their move.

And yes, I should have said it's just IMO that Misty's has some kind of learning disability that made school difficult for her. She can't read close to the level she left school at (approx 6th grade, IIRC). Neither can her father Hank. Yet, she was in school through 6th grade at least. Reading happens by then unless you have some sort of learning difficulties. That doesn't mean I think she's not street smart and reasonably intelligent, and perhaps she will be able to learn to read in a prison program. But IMO, she has some sort of learning disability or a learning difference of some kind. It clearly wasn't properly addressed in whatever school experience she had. And her folks were aware of it. I have wondered if because Hank Sr. has found it so difficult to learn to read (and readily just admits he can't read), Misty's parents just accepted that she was like her daddy that way and didn't advocate at school on her behalf...but ... I digress.

Emma, I hate to shoot down your strong opinion of LE waiting to bust Misty after her 18th b-day so she would not qualify for sentencing under the FL YO statute but the truth is to be eligible for YO sentencing one must be between the ages of 18-21 or a juvenile being charged as an adult along with the others I listed below. The theory of LE waiting to bust Misty after her 18th b-day has no merit because she would still qualify for YO sentencing after she turned 18.

958.04 Judicial disposition of youthful offenders.--

(1) The court may sentence as a youthful offender any person:

(a) Who is at least 18 years of age or who has been transferred for prosecution to the criminal division of the circuit court pursuant to chapter 985;

(b) Who is found guilty of or who has tendered, and the court has accepted, a plea of nolo contendere or guilty to a crime that is, under the laws of this state, a felony if the offender is younger than 21 years of age at the time sentence is imposed; and

(c) Who has not previously been classified as a youthful offender under the provisions of this act; however, a person who has been found guilty of a capital or life felony may not be sentenced as a youthful offender under this act.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0958/ch0958.htm

If I am understanding the qualifications correctly she is eligible for YO sentencing in PC, I don't see anything about multiple charges and the trafficking charge in SJC she has a conviction for is not a capital or life felony offense.

Since Fields asked the court for ample time to prepare for Misty's sentencing hearing it seems he may be really digging into defending her. Or I could be way off base, we will just have to wait and see.

JMO

 

[Baznme]

I suppose it may be.

So we will go with what IS black and white.

So at the age of 18, Misty Croslin, already has 7 offenses of drug trafficking and has received 25 years for one and is awaiting sentence on the other multiple charges in January 2011.

IMO

True enough - whether we agree or not. Even though it's RC that sets the price, the number and what he can get. Amazing, isn't it?

 

[lil momma]

I believe once the narc division knows a person is dealing drugs, and has been arrested for it they have their snitches who keep up with that person, and the snitches will tell them if they are still continuing to peddle drugs. And Satsuma is a very small community and I have found LE knows a lot of what is going on when it comes to drug dealings in small towns. Snitches will tell on anyone just to keep themselves out of jail. So imo, if he was dealing during those 5 years someone in the drug selling world would have known it, and would have squealed like a pig to LE a long time ago.

Since Ron gained and retained custody of his children all those years and DFC was involved, which is common when single parents these days are awarded custody of their children, I have nothing to base anything on that during that time span he was dealing drugs except he was arrested in January 2010 after the loss of one child back in February 2009.

If Misty had children and had custody of them and she wasnt arrested for drug dealings during those years, I would have to believe she was not dealing drugs because DFS would also have been involved imo. If Misty had had a job that required random drug testing in order to keep it, then I would think she wasnt doing drugs either if she continued to keep her job.

Crystal has Jr now and DFS is involved so therefore I no longer believe she is doing drugs anymore. I think the same guidelines were in place when Ron had the children.

Do I think Ron would have stopped after the recent drug deals? No, I don't. Just like I don't think Misty would have either.

Sometimes when someone loses a loved one they can spiral down to where they were once before and go back to making the same horrible decisions.

IMO

Morning OBE!

BBM

I am a little confused on the bolded. Are you saying when a single parent is awarded custody that DCF is already involved? I am a little thrown off on that statement and don't want to assume you mean it one way and i take it another..lol.

But, if you do mean that it is standard procedure to have DCF involved once a single parent is award custody, could you provide a link on where you read that?

I am asking b/c i am a single parent, who was award full residental and physical custody of my son and DCF has never contacted me or been involved in my life whatsoever. (that is why i wanted to know what you meant by that )

TIA

 

[bessie]

True enough - whether we agree or not. Even though it's RC that sets the price, the number and what he can get. Amazing, isn't it?

What about the other transactions when Ron was not involved and Misty was very much on her own?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Morning OBE!

BBM

I am a little confused on the bolded. Are you saying when a single parent is awarded custody that DCF is already involved? I am a little thrown off on that statement and don't want to assume you mean it one way and i take it another..lol.

But, if you do mean that it is standard procedure to have DCF involved once a single parent is award custody, could you provide a link on where you read that?

I am asking b/c i am a single parent, who was award full residential and physical custody of my son and DCF has never contacted me or been involved in my life whatsoever. (that is why i wanted to know what you meant by that )

TIA

Sorry, I misstated what I really meant. Not every custody case has DCF in it that is for certain.

I am just going by the many cases I read here and other places where the court stipulated that DCF was to be involved. It seems rather common for some of these parents to have DCF guiding them in the raising of their children. I am sure there are valid reasons for that.

I was a single parent too and DCF has never been involved in the custody of my children.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If this is true...why did LE go speak with Misty after her sentence hearing? :waitasec:

I must have missed that. I knew they had spoken to her right before she was sentenced. When did they speak to her after she had been sentenced?

tia

IMO

 

[suspicious1]

:waitasec:

I believe once the narc division knows a person is dealing drugs, and has been arrested for it they have their snitches who keep up with that person, and the snitches will tell them if they are still continuing to peddle drugs. And Satsuma is a very small community and I have found LE knows a lot of what is going on when it comes to drug dealings in small towns. Snitches will tell on anyone just to keep themselves out of jail. So imo, if he was dealing during those 5 years someone in the drug selling world would have known it, and would have squealed like a pig to LE a long time ago.

Since Ron gained and retained custody of his children all those years and DFC was involved, which is common when single parents these days are awarded custody of their children, I have nothing to base anything on that during that time span he was dealing drugs except he was arrested in January 2010 after the loss of one child back in February 2009.

If Misty had children and had custody of them and she wasnt arrested for drug dealings during those years, I would have to believe she was not dealing drugs because DFS would also have been involved imo. If Misty had had a job that required random drug testing in order to keep it, then I would think she wasnt doing drugs either if she continued to keep her job.

Crystal has Jr now and DFS is involved so therefore I no longer believe she is doing drugs anymore. I think the same guidelines were in place when Ron had the children.

Do I think Ron would have stopped after the recent drug deals? No, I don't. Just like I don't think Misty would have either.

Sometimes when someone loses a loved one they can spiral down to where they were once before and go back to making the same horrible decisions.

IMO

So you believe that once someone is caught dealing drugs and arrested..once they get out...snitches are keeping up with them? :waitasec:
So in other words...every drug dealer who has been arrested is being followed by snitches? :waitasec:

I just find it pretty far fetched to say that since DFC was involved Ron no longer dealt with drugs...hell, Ron thought he could deal drugs during his daughter's murder investigation...So he woud deal drugs during a murder investigation but not when DFC was involved...:waitasec: They both had something to do with his kids..

And do we know if PDM did random drug tests? I mean, I really do not know..they may have done an entry drug test, I'm sure..but I know that some people who do drugs know how to get pass a drug test..there are remedies that you can find to cleanse your system of drugs. jus sayin'