Defending Misty on Jan 10, 2011 in Putnam County

[suspicious1]

I must have missed that. I knew they had spoken to her right before she was sentenced. When did they speak to her after she had been sentenced?

tia

IMO

Remember when we heard about Misty supposedly on suicide watch..and telling LE to talk to Tommy..he knows everything? iirc, This was after her sentence hearing.

ETA: OBE, this may have been after Ron's sentence hearing..I need to go check...I do not want to mislead anyone...so let me search around to find out exactly when LE spoke with Misty. BRB

 

[oceanblueeyes]

As I have stated many times, IMO Misty can't tell LE where Haleigh's body is because she doesn't know where Haleigh's body is. Also IMO, Ronald harmed Haleigh and then cowardly took off to work and left his mother to handle getting Misty over to the MH and to handle the cleanup.

That is a possibility but it certainly isn't the only possibility.

She certainly wouldn't ever tell them what she and Tommy did with Haleigh's body because to do so she has to implicate herself. IMO, Misty protects herself. IMO, Misty thinks by not telling where Haleigh's remains are will make the DA unable to convict her and her co-conspirator.

Imo, she is hoping her sentence in January 2010 will be 25 to run concurrently with the other 25 years she got. 25 years sounds a heck of a lot better than doing LWOP or worse and being labeled a child killer.

IMO

 

[Baznme]

What about the other transactions when Ron was not involved and Misty was very much on her own?

Bessie, thanks for asking that question. I have not had the privilege of viewing any videotape of Misty transacting drug deals on her own. All I know is what I've seen as their so called "evidence". Could you point me in that direction?

Whether there is videotape of it or not still does not explain why Misty had no priors on record until she met up with Mr. Ron other than there weren't any. When I went to school, 1 plus any number was not singular. Her source at the very least should be part of this group, if not already. When you say Ron was not involved.....how do we know that? He wasn't there when she made the exchange? Doesn't convince me one bit.

 

[Baznme]

That is a possibility but it certainly isn't the only possibility.

She certainly wouldn't ever tell them what she and Tommy did with Haleigh's body because to do so she has to implicate herself. IMO, Misty protects herself. IMO, Misty thinks by not telling where Haleigh's remains are will make the DA unable to convict her and her co-conspirator.

Imo, she is hoping her sentence in January 2010 will be 25 to run concurrently with the other 25 years she got. 25 years sounds a heck of a lot better than doing LWOP or worse and being labeled a child killer.

IMO

OBE, believe it or not, I agree with your post "almost" completely. I believe you meant January 2011 but I believe she not only has to implicate herself but whoever else knew or knows what happened. If we are to believe that Misty is doing this to protect herself only, that would dismiss all the strange behavior of all the others in this mess. Too strange to dismiss IMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

:waitasec:

So you believe that once someone is caught dealing drugs and arrested..once they get out...snitches are keeping up with them? :waitasec:
So in other words...every drug dealer who has been arrested is being followed by snitches? :waitasec:

I just find it pretty far fetched to say that since DFC was involved Ron no longer dealt with drugs...hell, Ron thought he could deal drugs during his daughter's murder investigation...So he would deal drugs during a murder investigation but not when DFC was involved...:waitasec: They both had something to do with his kids..

And do we know if PDM did random drug tests? I mean, I really do not know..they may have done an entry drug test, I'm sure..but I know that some people who do drugs know how to get pass a drug test..there are remedies that you can find to cleanse your system of drugs. jus sayin'

My uncle is a narc officer and that is what he has told me. Snitches know who is dealing drugs and they sing louder than a canary. If the snitches get caught themselves.......the first thing they do is offer to sell out another drug dealer. Most drug bust are done when an informant has put the police on notice that drugs are being sold imo.

Yes, I do believe they kept up with Ron Cummings. The snitches are people that hang around druggies and drug dealers. They blend in well.

I have never known a bridge building company that has contracts with the government that does not do random drug testing. I have no reason to believe PDM would be any different. It can come back to haunt them if they do not and they can lose million dollar contracts and be stripped of the rights to bid on government jobs. So if this company even does work for NASA, then yes, absolutely I believe they protect themselves from liability just like any other company like this.

They are not going to take a chance that someone is stoned out on drugs operating heavy duty equipment that can have a disastrous results if there is an accident causing major injuries or even death. Nor are they going to let the bridge construction crew be stoned while building a bridge that the general public is going to go cross over daily. I have no reason to believe PDM is stupid or lax.

IMO

 

[suspicious1]

Bessie, thanks for asking that question. I have not had the privilege of viewing any videotape of Misty transacting drug deals on her own. All I know is what I've seen as their so called "evidence". Could you point me in that direction?

Whether there is videotape of it or not still does not explain why Misty had no priors on record until she met up with Mr. Ron other than there weren't any. When I went to school, 1 plus any number was not singular. Her source at the very least should be part of this group, if not already. When you say Ron was not involved.....how do we know that? He wasn't there when she made the exchange? Doesn't convince me one bit.

Baz, it doesn't convince me either...IMO, Ron taught her well enough for her to make those solo trips...I viewed some of the tapes on you tube...while I am looking for other information I will try to see if I can also find the you tube videos of Misty only...give me a sec.

Baz, I found only snippets of Misty solo drug transactions...the majority of them are of Ron and Misty together...I have never found any that included Tommy...has anyone seen one with Tommy in it? tia

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OBE, believe it or not, I agree with your post "almost" completely. I believe you meant January 2011 but I believe she not only has to implicate herself but whoever else knew or knows what happened. If we are to believe that Misty is doing this to protect herself only, that would dismiss all the strange behavior of all the others in this mess. Too strange to dismiss IMO.

LOL, yes I did mean 2011. Thanks.

Imo, to come clean on why Tommy was really there she has to implicate herself and why she called him to come there in the first place. So she just flippantly says now. "ask Tommy" because I think she also knows Tommy is never going to give up the real truth either.

IMO

 

[Baznme]

LOL, yes I did mean 2011. Thanks.

Imo, to come clean on why Tommy was really there she has to implicate herself and why she called him to come there in the first place. So she just flippantly says now. "ask Tommy" because I think she also knows Tommy is never going to give up the real truth either.

IMO

I can understand why you feel that way. I thought he was going to spill the beans to G. Hollers on the phone but she led him to a way out of admission by asking him if it was his cousin Joe. So close, yet so far. I think both Tommy and Misty have been used by RC however to take care of business. Thus the rat in the mailbox routine. I think he continued to use them by getting himself more immersed into this family with a marriage, divorce and sneaking a continued relationship outside the cameras and reporters. He's never disappeared completely from the Croslin's. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if HE was the Croslin's supplier at least intermittently. The skirmish at the MH the night the Croslin's went to take Misty out of the house was supposedly on whether or not RC's pills were going to be shared amongst them or not. It was RC's GGS that broke up that fight, IIRC. Too much strange behavior from the Cummings and the Croslin's for me to dismiss RC as being in this right up to his neck. JMO, of course.

 

[Baznme]

Baz, it doesn't convince me either...IMO, Ron taught her well enough for her to make those solo trips...I viewed some of the tapes on you tube...while I am looking for other information I will try to see if I can also find the you tube videos of Misty only...give me a sec.

That's OK suspicious. Makes no difference anyway. She didn't want to listen to reason, she pays the consequences. The thing that galls me to this day is the flippant attitudes of all those involved on those videotapes. Chuckling, indifferent behavior and not a mention of Haleigh. That poor child.

 

[suspicious1]

That's OK suspicious. Makes no difference anyway. She didn't want to listen to reason, she pays the consequences. The thing that galls me to this day is the flippant attitudes of all those involved on those videotapes. Chuckling, indifferent behavior and not a mention of Haleigh. That poor child.

I hear ya, Baz...I found only a few snippets of Misty by herself but the majority of the videos I found included both her and Ron.. I just don't see how they even thought they would get away with such behavior when there was still an ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Ron's daughter...That just baffles me. It's like they just moved on with their lives..without Haleigh. So sad.

 

[Baznme]

My uncle is a narc officer and that is what he has told me. Snitches know who is dealing drugs and they sing louder than a canary. If the snitches get caught themselves.......the first thing they do is offer to sell out another drug dealer. Most drug bust are done when an informant has put the police on notice that drugs are being sold imo.

Yes, I do believe they kept up with Ron Cummings. The snitches are people that hang around druggies and drug dealers. They blend in well.

I have never known a bridge building company that has contracts with the government that does not do random drug testing. I have no reason to believe PDM would be any different. It can come back to haunt them if they do not and they can lose million dollar contracts and be stripped of the rights to bid on government jobs. So if this company even does work for NASA, then yes, absolutely I believe they protect themselves from liability just like any other company like this.

They are not going to take a chance that someone is stoned out on drugs operating heavy duty equipment that can have a disastrous results if there is an accident causing major injuries or even death. Nor are they going to let the bridge construction crew be stoned while building a bridge that the general public is going to go cross over daily. I have no reason to believe PDM is stupid or lax.

IMO

I don't know about the snitches in Satsuma, OBE. There are 73K people that live in Putnam county in total. Satsuma is a one horse town that if you blink, you've gone through it. The PCSO office is not much larger than the size of a drive thru hamburger joint. In other words, I could compare it to Mayberry. Small, quaint and quiet. All kinds of back roads, even PDM is not very big (in size) as a company. That being said, I'm sure that PDM has ramped up their security procedures including the fingerprint system, lighting, etc. Of course, you are right, future business is dependent on having a clean workforce of which to work on their product line but, there is no way of knowing what it was prior to this case breaking wide open to include their company name as part of that investigative process.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I can understand why you feel that way. I thought he was going to spill the beans to G. Hollers on the phone but she led him to a way out of admission by asking him if it was his cousin Joe. So close, yet so far. I think both Tommy and Misty have been used by RC however to take care of business. Thus the rat in the mailbox routine. I think he continued to use them by getting himself more immersed into this family with a marriage, divorce and sneaking a continued relationship outside the cameras and reporters. He's never disappeared completely from the Croslin's. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if HE was the Croslin's supplier at least intermittently. The skirmish at the MH the night the Croslin's went to take Misty out of the house was supposedly on whether or not RC's pills were going to be shared amongst them or not. It was RC's GGS that broke up that fight, IIRC. Too much strange behavior from the Cummings and the Croslin's for me to dismiss RC as being in this right up to his neck. JMO, of course.

And I do understand why you feel the way you do. Honestly, I do.

I am now believing they were both feeding Flo Hollars all sorts of nonsense knowing she would spill the beans.

See I see it differently. Surprise, surprise! lol With Tommy ratting out Ron about ratgate to LE it shows me Tommy wouldn't hesitate one second to rat Ron Cummings out if he was involved in any way with Haleigh's disappearance.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't know about the snitches in Satsuma, OBE. There are 73K people that live in Putnam county in total. Satsuma is a one horse town that if you blink, you've gone through it. The PCSO office is not much larger than the size of a drive thru hamburger joint. In other words, I could compare it to Mayberry. Small, quaint and quiet. All kinds of back roads, even PDM is not very big (in size) as a company. That being said, I'm sure that PDM has ramped up their security procedures including the fingerprint system, lighting, etc. Of course, you are right, future business is dependent on having a clean workforce of which to work on their product line but, there is no way of knowing what it was prior to this case breaking wide open to include their company name as part of that investigative process.

In the county that I live in we have around 35k living in the county and about 10K living within the city limits. So I know Mayberry very well. The bordering county from us has a city of about 200K in it though so a lot of people work there and do their shopping there.

However we are one of the largest counties in the state as for as land area goes and also we are the second fastest growing county in Georgia due to the rural appeal and the great schools we have.

Yet, we have had some of the biggest drug busts in the state by our local county sheriff's department. Informants are always around. They are a dime a dozen. Someone always wanted to spill on someone else to get a deal on their own drug wrongdoings. They are very important to LE and they know that, even though the informant or snitch may be a piece of crap too. They are a necessary evil in the war on drugs.

As I said in my earlier post I cannot see a large bridge building company not protecting themselves for years and then all of a sudden do so. This isn't something new...random drug testing at bridge building companies have been initiated for years. Even back in the 90s. The liability is just too great not to do it.

IMO

 

[Baznme]

And I do understand why you feel the way you do. Honestly, I do.

I am now believing they were both feeding Flo Hollars all sorts of nonsense knowing she would spill the beans.

See I see it differently. Surprise, surprise! lol With Tommy ratting out Ron about ratgate to LE it shows me Tommy wouldn't hesitate one second to rat Ron Cummings out if he was involved in any way with Haleigh's disappearance.

IMO

Just to clarify OBE, what I said was Tommy was ready to spill the beans when G. Hollers interrupted him. Yes, he would have but her timing was phenomenal and prevented that from happening. She put the words in his mouth and he took the easy way out. Surprise, surprise.

For what it's worth, I feel he isn't protecting RC. He's protecting himself and his sister for their part in this and RC isn't the one walking around with a halo. Instead of being in the back of that UC car, he should have been out looking for his daughter.

 

[Baznme]

In the county that I live in we have around 35k living in the county and about 10K living within the city limits. So I know Mayberry very well. The bordering county from us has a city of about 200K in it though so a lot of people work there and do their shopping there.

However we are one of the largest counties in the state as for as land area goes and also we are the second fastest growing county in Georgia due to the rural appeal and the great schools we have.

Yet, we have had some of the biggest drug busts in the state by our local county sheriff's department. Informants are always around. They are a dime a dozen. Someone always wanted to spill on someone else to get a deal on their own drug wrongdoings. They are very important to LE and they know that, even though the informant or snitch may be a piece of crap too. They are a necessary evil in the war on drugs.

Maybe that's what is going on now?

As I said in my earlier post I cannot see a large bridge building company not protecting themselves for years and then all of a sudden do so. This isn't something new...random drug testing at bridge building companies have been initiated for years. Even back in the 90s. The liability is just too great not to do it.

It may have even taken place at the beginning of his employment and he was clean however, that didn't seem to last long if we look at the chronology of events shortly after Haleigh disappeared.

IMO

BBM and in red (my comments)

 

[Lanie]

Let me see if I have this straight so far.

Because Ron has a previous record for drugs from years back, that means he was still dealing and just not getting caught, but because Misty did not have a previous record, that means she was not dealing at all.

Because Ron has a previous record for drugs and is older than Misty, Misty getting involved in a romantic relationship with Ron disqualifies her (for life?) of ever breaking the law regarding drugs of her own devices. I ask for life, because from this point forward, Ron is ALWAYS going to be older than Misty, and Ron is ALWAYS going to have a drug record going farther back than Misty. Does this rule apply to everyone, or just Misty? I'm just wondering, because everyone with a drug record had a first bust, and following this logic would imply, IMO, every single one of them was nothing more than a runner for some puppetmaster in the background pulling their strings. I wonder who Ron's controller was back in the day? Maybe his grandma?

IMO, and by my interpretations of what I have read, when Ron is the 'Kingpin', this is a two-bit operation with a bunch of rank amateurs running around who couldn't find their posteriors with both hands, a flashlight and a mirror, and with a 'Kingpin' who is so stupid he has 4 drugrunners to shield and protect himself from risk, yet puts himself right in the middle of it to what, feed his ego? and ends up with a 15 year prison sentence. Yet when Misty is the 'Kingpin', this becomes some massive complex operation working on several levels that is just way too complicated and requires way too much brains and experience for Misty to possibly pull off, even though she winds up with a 25 year prison sentence. IMO, a mere month long undercover sting resulting in the arrest and conviction of 5 people, 3 of whom are main players in a homicide investigation, does not imply to me any brain functioning went on here.

It is ridiculous to assume snitches may be following around suspected drug 'dealers', or as I would have termed it, keeping an eye on them, yet it is perfectly plausible to believe several departments of LE in the state of Florida are involved in a conspiracy and cover-up to protect Ron and crucify Misty. In fact, LE is so invested in this, not only are they willing to issue statements to the press that are lies, but an FDLE officer will put himself on the stand at Misty's sentencing hearing and perjure himself to get this done.

LE, who is he77bent to protect Ron at all costs, arrests Ron and only lets him plead 10 years off his sentence, so he ONLY has to serve 15 years. IMO, LE is not any better shielding Ron than Ron appears to be operating his drug cartel.

And last, but not least, Misty is completely fine with being the patsy, sacrificing her brother, who apparently is on board with it to the point of losing his family, and serving 25 years in prison without a peep to cover for a man (and his family) who allegedly beats her, allegedly caused her to miscarry, allegedly killed his daughter and made it look like she did it, married her and then divorced her, allegedly used her as a drugrunner, and last I heard has nothing good to say about her, all because she loves him so much. IMO, if Hitler had had Ron on his side, we would all be speaking German now.

All the above, MOO.

 

[lonetraveler]

I believe once the narc division knows a person is dealing drugs, and has been arrested for it they have their snitches who keep up with that person, and the snitches will tell them if they are still continuing to peddle drugs. And Satsuma is a very small community and I have found LE knows a lot of what is going on when it comes to drug dealings in small towns. Snitches will tell on anyone just to keep themselves out of jail. So imo, if he was dealing during those 5 years someone in the drug selling world would have known it, and would have squealed like a pig to LE a long time ago.

Since Ron gained and retained custody of his children all those years and DFC was involved, which is common when single parents these days are awarded custody of their children, I have nothing to base anything on that during that time span he was dealing drugs except he was arrested in January 2010 after the loss of one child back in February 2009.

If Misty had children and had custody of them and she wasnt arrested for drug dealings during those years, I would have to believe she was not dealing drugs because DFS would also have been involved imo. If Misty had had a job that required random drug testing in order to keep it, then I would think she wasnt doing drugs either if she continued to keep her job.

Crystal has Jr now and DFS is involved so therefore I no longer believe she is doing drugs anymore. I think the same guidelines were in place when Ron had the children.

Do I think Ron would have stopped after the recent drug deals? No, I don't. Just like I don't think Misty would have either.

Sometimes when someone loses a loved one they can spiral down to where they were once before and go back to making the same horrible decisions.

IMO

Many people besides myself observed Ronald after Haleigh was reported missing and IMO he was noticeably under the influence of drugs most of the time. According to his attorney at the time he was taking PRESCRIPTION pills for various injuries. Now, I thought then that that was an idiot statement to make and think that the public would swallow it and today, I still think that it was an idiot statement and that Ron was heavily on prescription drugs way before Haleigh became missing. There have been audios discussing that Ron was shooting up drugs as well. I don't think that Ronald was corrupted by Misty into taking, buying and selling drugs. However, I do believe that he taught her a thing or two about how to deal and I also think that he was her link to getting the drugs.

 

[Emma Peel]

Emma, I hate to shoot down your strong opinion of LE waiting to bust Misty after her 18th b-day so she would not qualify for sentencing under the FL YO statute but the truth is to be eligible for YO sentencing one must be between the ages of 18-21 or a juvenile being charged as an adult along with the others I listed below. The theory of LE waiting to bust Misty after her 18th b-day has no merit because she would still qualify for YO sentencing after she turned 18.

958.04 Judicial disposition of youthful offenders.--

(1) The court may sentence as a youthful offender any person:

(a) Who is at least 18 years of age or who has been transferred for prosecution to the criminal division of the circuit court pursuant to chapter 985;

(b) Who is found guilty of or who has tendered, and the court has accepted, a plea of nolo contendere or guilty to a crime that is, under the laws of this state, a felony if the offender is younger than 21 years of age at the time sentence is imposed; and

(c) Who has not previously been classified as a youthful offender under the provisions of this act; however, a person who has been found guilty of a capital or life felony may not be sentenced as a youthful offender under this act.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0958/ch0958.htm

If I am understanding the qualifications correctly she is eligible for YO sentencing in PC, I don't see anything about multiple charges and the trafficking charge in SJC she has a conviction for is not a capital or life felony offense.

Since Fields asked the court for ample time to prepare for Misty's sentencing hearing it seems he may be really digging into defending her. Or I could be way off base, we will just have to wait and see.

JMO

BBM above.

Thanks Twall for looking that up.

The way I understand it is that if Misty is 18, then she falls into the 18-21 category, and YO status can be requested as a POSSIBILITY - a sort of exception for that age range of offenders. The YO status may be approved. It may not be approved - at the discretion of the court - at the recommendation of the state... MAY being the operative word.

I may not have expressed myself well... but ... the point I was trying to make was, IMO, LE waited until she was 18 to arrest her. That way the YO status is NOT a "given", but a "maybe".

If Misty had been 17, would she not be automatically considered a YO, and the "exception"/discretion of the court would go in the other direction? Such that, depending on the circumstances, there MAY be motions to try a 17 year old as an adult - but trying a 17 YO as an adult is not the rule, it's the exception.

Didn't mean to cause confusion with my opinion that LE purposefully "waited for Misty's age 18". I still think this could be the case.

 

[suspicious1]

BBM above.

Thanks Twall for looking that up.

The way I understand it is that if Misty is 18, then she falls into the 18-21 category, and YO status can be requested as a POSSIBILITY - a sort of exception for that age range of offenders. The YO status may be approved. It may not be approved - at the discretion of the court - at the recommendation of the state... MAY being the operative word.

I may not have expressed myself well... but ... the point I was trying to make was, IMO, LE waited until she was 18 to arrest her. That way the YO status is NOT a "given", but a "maybe".

If Misty had been 17, would she not be automatically considered a YO, and the "exception"/discretion of the court would go in the other direction? Such that, depending on the circumstances, there MAY be motions to try a 17 year old as an adult - but trying a 17 YO as an adult is not the rule, it's the exception.

Didn't mean to cause confusion with my opinion that LE purposefully "waited for Misty's age 18". I still think this could be the case.

BBM

See, Emma, this is what I want to know too. Does anyone know?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM above.

Thanks Twall for looking that up.

The way I understand it is that if Misty is 18, then she falls into the 18-21 category, and YO status can be requested as a POSSIBILITY - a sort of exception for that age range of offenders. The YO status may be approved. It may not be approved - at the discretion of the court - at the recommendation of the state... MAY being the operative word.

I may not have expressed myself well... but ... the point I was trying to make was, IMO, LE waited until she was 18 to arrest her. That way the YO status is NOT a "given", but a "maybe".

If Misty had been 17, would she not be automatically considered a YO, and the "exception"/discretion of the court would go in the other direction? Such that, depending on the circumstances, there MAY be motions to try a 17 year old as an adult - but trying a 17 YO as an adult is not the rule, it's the exception.

Didn't mean to cause confusion with my opinion that LE purposefully "waited for Misty's age 18". I still think this could be the case.

I am not all that sure it is a rare exception though especially if the offenses are felonies.

Florida - a juvenile is anyone under the age of 18. Florida allows prosecutors, not judges, to decide whether a juvenile will be tried as an adult. For discretionary waiver, the minimum age is 14 years old in order to be tried as an adult. For direct filing, the age depends on the crime but no minimum age is set for capital offenses (offenses punishable by death or life imprisonment). As to statutory exclusions, the minimum age again varies with the crime, but is usually 16 years old.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/juvenile-tried-as-an-adult.html