Defending Misty on Jan 10, 2011 in Putnam County

[vjlaw]

Just to clarify OBE, what I said was Tommy was ready to spill the beans when G. Hollers interrupted him. Yes, he would have but her timing was phenomenal and prevented that from happening. She put the words in his mouth and he took the easy way out. Surprise, surprise.

For what it's worth, I feel he isn't protecting RC. He's protecting himself and his sister for their part in this and RC isn't the one walking around with a halo. Instead of being in the back of that UC car, he should have been out looking for his daughter.

Who had Jr when RC didn't have him and what did they think RC was doing when he didn't have a job?

 

[cyberborg]

:waitasec:

So you believe that once someone is caught dealing drugs and arrested..once they get out...snitches are keeping up with them? :waitasec:
So in other words...every drug dealer who has been arrested is being followed by snitches? :waitasec:

I just find it pretty far fetched to say that since DFC was involved Ron no longer dealt with drugs...hell, Ron thought he could deal drugs during his daughter's murder investigation...So he woud deal drugs during a murder investigation but not when DFC was involved...:waitasec: They both had something to do with his kids..

And do we know if PDM did random drug tests? I mean, I really do not know..they may have done an entry drug test, I'm sure..but I know that some people who do drugs know how to get pass a drug test..there are remedies that you can find to cleanse your system of drugs. jus sayin'

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I completely agree.

Petty drug dealing like this is a major problem and there are many many folks involved at all levels -- so it is impossible to keep tabs on everyone or even want to. Snitches are a valuable commodity and need the time of LE to work, so they are going to be focused and targetted on the suppliers.

DCF is typically under-resourced and has too many cases on their plate and the problem is just getting worse!!! How many times do we hear about cases in the media where if DCF was involved that the child could have been rescued and/or saved. These are extreme RED FLAG cases so I am very skeptical that DCF had/have the time to guide families and/or provided quality time. In most cases they are distracted and miss those red flags.

 

[cyberborg]

Many people besides myself observed Ronald after Haleigh was reported missing and IMO he was noticeably under the influence of drugs most of the time. According to his attorney at the time he was taking PRESCRIPTION pills for various injuries. Now, I thought then that that was an idiot statement to make and think that the public would swallow it and today, I still think that it was an idiot statement and that Ron was heavily on prescription drugs way before Haleigh became missing. There have been audios discussing that Ron was shooting up drugs as well. I don't think that Ronald was corrupted by Misty into taking, buying and selling drugs. However, I do believe that he taught her a thing or two about how to deal and I also think that he was her link to getting the drugs.

I agree. Ron added to Misty's education on drugs and how to deal and then DB came along and provided a supply and I think Misty tried some dealing on her own. Once Ron clued in that Misty had a supply from DB and was making money Ron 'organized' them as part of his emerging business. It was clear from Ron's own statements on the video that he had access to larger supplies of different drugs that what they were selling so ... Misty got inducted small-time and Ron was kicking it up a few notches ... per the video.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

In the county that I live in we have around 35k living in the county and about 10K living within the city limits. So I know Mayberry very well. The bordering county from us has a city of about 200K in it though so a lot of people work there and do their shopping there.

However we are one of the largest counties in the state as for as land area goes and also we are the second fastest growing county in Georgia due to the rural appeal and the great schools we have.

Yet, we have had some of the biggest drug busts in the state by our local county sheriff's department. Informants are always around. They are a dime a dozen. Someone always wanted to spill on someone else to get a deal on their own drug wrongdoings. They are very important to LE and they know that, even though the informant or snitch may be a piece of crap too. They are a necessary evil in the war on drugs.

As I said in my earlier post I cannot see a large bridge building company not protecting themselves for years and then all of a sudden do so. This isn't something new...random drug testing at bridge building companies have been initiated for years. Even back in the 90s. The liability is just too great not to do it.

IMO

Hi OBE, Just noticed the similarities of your county and mine. I am also in Ga. Are you north or south Ga., if you don't mind shareing?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi OBE, Just noticed the similarities of your county and mine. I am also in Ga. Are you north or south Ga., if you don't mind shareing?

Southwest, Nonni.

I believe Paulding County, west of Atlanta... is the other fastest growing county in the state.

IMO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Southwest, Nonni.

I believe Paulding County, west of Atlanta... is the other fastest growing county in the state.

IMO

We're close. I'm in Bartow Co. 50 mi north of Atlanta. We're practically neighbors! It's a small world!

 

[Baznme]

Let me see if I have this straight so far.

Because Ron has a previous record for drugs from years back, that means he was still dealing and just not getting caught, but because Misty did not have a previous record, that means she was not dealing at all.

Because Ron has a previous record for drugs and is older than Misty, Misty getting involved in a romantic relationship with Ron disqualifies her (for life?) of ever breaking the law regarding drugs of her own devices. I ask for life, because from this point forward, Ron is ALWAYS going to be older than Misty, and Ron is ALWAYS going to have a drug record going farther back than Misty. Does this rule apply to everyone, or just Misty? I'm just wondering, because everyone with a drug record had a first bust, and following this logic would imply, IMO, every single one of them was nothing more than a runner for some puppetmaster in the background pulling their strings. I wonder who Ron's controller was back in the day? Maybe his grandma?

IMO, and by my interpretations of what I have read, when Ron is the 'Kingpin', this is a two-bit operation with a bunch of rank amateurs running around who couldn't find their posteriors with both hands, a flashlight and a mirror, and with a 'Kingpin' who is so stupid he has 4 drugrunners to shield and protect himself from risk, yet puts himself right in the middle of it to what, feed his ego? and ends up with a 15 year prison sentence. Yet when Misty is the 'Kingpin', this becomes some massive complex operation working on several levels that is just way too complicated and requires way too much brains and experience for Misty to possibly pull off, even though she winds up with a 25 year prison sentence. IMO, a mere month long undercover sting resulting in the arrest and conviction of 5 people, 3 of whom are main players in a homicide investigation, does not imply to me any brain functioning went on here.

It is ridiculous to assume snitches may be following around suspected drug 'dealers', or as I would have termed it, keeping an eye on them, yet it is perfectly plausible to believe several departments of LE in the state of Florida are involved in a conspiracy and cover-up to protect Ron and crucify Misty. In fact, LE is so invested in this, not only are they willing to issue statements to the press that are lies, but an FDLE officer will put himself on the stand at Misty's sentencing hearing and perjure himself to get this done.

LE, who is he77bent to protect Ron at all costs, arrests Ron and only lets him plead 10 years off his sentence, so he ONLY has to serve 15 years. IMO, LE is not any better shielding Ron than Ron appears to be operating his drug cartel.

And last, but not least, Misty is completely fine with being the patsy, sacrificing her brother, who apparently is on board with it to the point of losing his family, and serving 25 years in prison without a peep to cover for a man (and his family) who allegedly beats her, allegedly caused her to miscarry, allegedly killed his daughter and made it look like she did it, married her and then divorced her, allegedly used her as a drugrunner, and last I heard has nothing good to say about her, all because she loves him so much. IMO, if Hitler had had Ron on his side, we would all be speaking German now.

All the above, MOO.

This post was precious. It made me laugh (although the case is not funny by any means) and realize just how far out all of this has taken us to try to come up with a solution as to what happened to Haleigh. I'm back on planet earth now. Lanie, with all of that said, what's your take on what happened to her since that is the reason we are all here to begin with?

 

[dodie20]

It is ridiculous to assume that snitches are following dealers around, but I'm not buying Ron having LE in his back pocket either. This was obviously, IMO, a detailed plan to get both Ron & Misty. I don't think 1 just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. & the same goes for the rest of them. Until I hear differently, from a reliable source, I'll believe they were all targeted. I think it's pointless to compare Ron to Misty...especially if the effort is being made to make one look like a worse person. What does it matter? They're both in prison for trafficking drugs. I also don't believe DCF was doing their jobs, in this case. If they had been as concerned with getting these kids away from guns & drugs, & their teenaged 'stepmom' figure, as they were with them having their own rooms, Haleigh would be alive.

 

[twall]

BBM above.

Thanks Twall for looking that up.

The way I understand it is that if Misty is 18, then she falls into the 18-21 category, and YO status can be requested as a POSSIBILITY - a sort of exception for that age range of offenders. The YO status may be approved. It may not be approved - at the discretion of the court - at the recommendation of the state... MAY being the operative word.

I may not have expressed myself well... but ... the point I was trying to make was, IMO, LE waited until she was 18 to arrest her. That way the YO status is NOT a "given", but a "maybe".

If Misty had been 17, would she not be automatically considered a YO, and the "exception"/discretion of the court would go in the other direction? Such that, depending on the circumstances, there MAY be motions to try a 17 year old as an adult - but trying a 17 YO as an adult is not the rule, it's the exception.

Didn't mean to cause confusion with my opinion that LE purposefully "waited for Misty's age 18". I still think this could be the case.

I misunderstood your point. I thought you were saying Misty would not be eligible for YO sentencing after she turned 18 so LE intentionally set her up after her 18th b-day to guarantee she would be sentenced as an adult. IMO I think if she was busted at 17 she would be charged as an adult but it is not a given, that was your point. Thank you for clarifying.

o/t
Last spring in my area a 15 yr. old and 12 yr. old were involved in the premeditated murder (shooting) of the 15 yr. olds step-father. They were both charged as adults. I was wondering what the lowest age is that a juvenile can be charged as an adult so I looked up the Indiana statute. It is age 10 for murder. I was shocked, that is so young!

The 15 yr. old took a plea, the murder charge was dropped and he was charged with 2 lesser offenses and sentenced to 30 yrs.

The 12 yr. old is scheduled for trial next year.

There was another 12 yr. old present at the murder but he claims he was outside the home when the other 2 shot the step-dad and that he had no prior knowledge the murder was going to occur. He was charged as a juvenile.

 

[suspicious1]

It is ridiculous to assume that snitches are following dealers around, but I'm not buying Ron having LE in his back pocket either. This was obviously, IMO, a detailed plan to get both Ron & Misty. I don't think 1 just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. & the same goes for the rest of them. Until I hear differently, from a reliable source, I'll believe they were all targeted. I think it's pointless to compare Ron to Misty...especially if the effort is being made to make one look like a worse person. What does it matter? They're both in prison for trafficking drugs. I also don't believe DCF was doing their jobs, in this case. If they had been as concerned with getting these kids away from guns & drugs, & their teenaged 'stepmom' figure, as they were with them having their own rooms, Haleigh would be alive.

Dodie, I agree..

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It is ridiculous to assume that snitches are following dealers around, but I'm not buying Ron having LE in his back pocket either. This was obviously, IMO, a detailed plan to get both Ron & Misty. I don't think 1 just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. & the same goes for the rest of them. Until I hear differently, from a reliable source, I'll believe they were all targeted. I think it's pointless to compare Ron to Misty...especially if the effort is being made to make one look like a worse person. What does it matter? They're both in prison for trafficking drugs. I also don't believe DCF was doing their jobs, in this case. If they had been as concerned with getting these kids away from guns & drugs, & their teenaged 'stepmom' figure, as they were with them having their own rooms, Haleigh would be alive.

Police and prosecutors rely heavily on informants in drug cases, because the vast majority of drug arrests in the United States are for simple possession -- often marking the first time a person encounters the criminal justice system. This also means there's almost always at least one person higher in the drug distribution chain.

It is common for law enforcement to put pressure on drug defendants to name dealers, distributors or "kingpins" in exchange for immunity or an easier sentence. Because mandatory minimum sentences often apply to drug crimes, this dealmaking is extremely common in drug cases.

Police may pressure drug informants to continue informing once they've already made a successful case. Informants often need police protection because of the risk of retaliation by those they've turned in or their associates. By the same token, police can curry favor with their superiors by arresting and jailing more people on drug charges. Jim Redden's book "Snitch Culture" gives examples of this business relationship, including a case of a professional informant who made tens of thousands of dollars selling drugs while working for police. He was allowed to keep the money and the drugs.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/drugwar/informants/

 

[cyberborg]

It is ridiculous to assume that snitches are following dealers around, but I'm not buying Ron having LE in his back pocket either. This was obviously, IMO, a detailed plan to get both Ron & Misty. I don't think 1 just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. & the same goes for the rest of them. Until I hear differently, from a reliable source, I'll believe they were all targeted. I think it's pointless to compare Ron to Misty...especially if the effort is being made to make one look like a worse person. What does it matter? They're both in prison for trafficking drugs. I also don't believe DCF was doing their jobs, in this case. If they had been as concerned with getting these kids away from guns & drugs, & their teenaged 'stepmom' figure, as they were with them having their own rooms, Haleigh would be alive.

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I am not at either extreme. I critique both Misty and Ron to the same degree. I too don't understand the comparison of Ron and Misty with one being worse, they are both in jail!

 

[cyberborg]

Police and prosecutors rely heavily on informants in drug cases, because the vast majority of drug arrests in the United States are for simple possession -- often marking the first time a person encounters the criminal justice system. This also means there's almost always at least one person higher in the drug distribution chain.

It is common for law enforcement to put pressure on drug defendants to name dealers, distributors or "kingpins" in exchange for immunity or an easier sentence. Because mandatory minimum sentences often apply to drug crimes, this dealmaking is extremely common in drug cases.

Police may pressure drug informants to continue informing once they've already made a successful case. Informants often need police protection because of the risk of retaliation by those they've turned in or their associates. By the same token, police can curry favor with their superiors by arresting and jailing more people on drug charges. Jim Redden's book "Snitch Culture" gives examples of this business relationship, including a case of a professional informant who made tens of thousands of dollars selling drugs while working for police. He was allowed to keep the money and the drugs.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/drugwar/informants/

Thanks for this. I don't think anyone is disputing this process, it is a given.

It is a question of degrees and whether Ron was a snitch, so got some freedom in his own drug use or, whether Ron was being watched by a snitch ... and therefore was drug free and/or not participating in the sale of drugs.

I simply doubt the latter ... IMO Ron was partaking of drugs and had some involvement ... whether he had some immunity or not and lost that immunity to become a target -- I don't know.

 

[Crosby87]

Who had Jr when RC didn't have him and what did they think RC was doing when he didn't have a job?

Q: Who had Jr when RC didn't have him?

I assume you mean where was JR while Ron was dealing drugs with Misty; before Ron, Misty, & Tommy were incarcerated and Crystal regained custody of Junior.

When Chelsea appeared on Levi Page’s Show, she said Ron didn’t pay any attention to Junior. He didn’t give Junior the time of day immediately after HaLeigh disappeared.

I heard Misty say her and Ronald had to go pick up Junior from a daycare prior to them being busted so JR was attending preschool part-time.

Junior also maintained biweekly visits with his mother Crystal Sheffield until Ron was incarcerated.

Chelsea Croslin said Junior lived at his Aunt Katrina's place after Haleigh vanished which was news to me because I thought Junior was staying with R&M at Annette’s place. Unfortunately I don't have a link to verify this.

Q: What did they think RC was doing when he didn't have a job?

If you mean what did LE think Ron was doing to generate an income after he quit working for PDM Bridge, Ron lived off the money and gifts he received.

After HaLeigh went missing, Ron refused to move back into the trailor and when he couldn't stay in the tent due to zoning by-laws, someone provided Ron with temporary living accommodations. Chelsea said Ron received a huge amount of money and gifts from donors so IMO, Ron wasn’t drawn into drug trafficking because he was in desperate need of money like Misty stated in Court she was. I don’t know if Ron has ever had to account for the free money and gifts he received, but Crystal who started the HaLeigh Bug Foundation did, although there were reports she failed to present her financial records upon request.

FYI, Chelsea said Ron helped himself to the money he received to pamper himself and pay for trips. R&M married because that is what HaLeigh wanted, and who knows people may have sent them money as a wedding gift. When they appeared as guests on popular Talk shows, they likely had all their expenses paid for them. Ron planned and attended mud bogging events with friends. He used his notoriety to get free meals in restaurants for him and his friends according to AH. Ron retained a lawyer so he wouldn't have to fill his time up in lengthy interviews with LEO who were investigating his daughter's disappearance; and Ron, according to Chelsea, put a stop to Misty's interviews with LE. Ron received $12000 from Crystal for child support after HaLeigh vanished. Ron and Misty moved in with Ron’s grandmother and whether or not Ron paid room and board is unknown to me but he was no longer solely responsible for maintaining a home, paying the bills, and putting food on the table. His tattoos of JR and HaLeigh were also "gifts". We don’t know if the balloons released on HaLeigh’s birthday were "gifts" or paid for by donations to the Cummings family. One billboard with HaLeigh on it was apparently donated by Crimestoppers.

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CHELSEA CROSLIN: I mean they took trips everywhere. Ronald was given so much donation money from HaLeigh&#8217;s case you know and he used it to his full advantage. He pampered himself. He treated himself like he was a King instead.

LEVI PAGE: Some people seen Chelsea Ron Cummings at a convenience store take donation money out of a jar and use it buy beer.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised about it. I watched Ronald be handed so much money he would walk around smiling. He pulled out a wad one day and just looked at me and said &#8216;hey look Chel&#8217; with a big ole smile and I was just like, whoa you know, I was like what is that for? Because I thought there is that bank account, why are you holding onto that? You know I saw a man pull up on a 3-wheeler and hand Ronald a cheque for $10,000.

PAT BROWN: Can I ask a question Chelsea? Did Ronald ever talk about putting billboards up with all the money he was getting?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: No, Ron never talked about nothing that he was going to do with the money. I just saw him and the rest of his family pampering themselves with the money. I do know there was a billboard put up for HaLeigh but I don&#8217;t know who funded that.

LEVI PAGE: Crimestoppers I think.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/10/05/levi-page-show

 

[cyberborg]

Q: Who had Jr when RC didn't have him?

I assume you mean where was JR while Ron was dealing drugs with Misty; before Ron, Misty, & Tommy were incarcerated and Crystal regained custody of Junior.

When Chelsea appeared on Levi Page&#8217;s Show, she said Ron didn&#8217;t pay any attention to Junior. He didn&#8217;t give Junior the time of day immediately after HaLeigh disappeared.

I heard Misty say her and Ronald had to go pick up Junior from a daycare prior to them being busted so JR was attending preschool part-time.

Junior also maintained biweekly visits with his mother Crystal Sheffield until Ron was incarcerated.

Chelsea Croslin said Junior lived at his Aunt Katrina's place after Haleigh vanished which was news to me because I thought Junior was staying with R&M at Annette&#8217;s place. Unfortunately I don't have a link to verify this.

Q: What did they think RC was doing when he didn't have a job?

If you mean what did LE think Ron was doing to generate an income after he quit working for PDM Bridge, Ron lived off the money and gifts he received.

After HaLeigh went missing, Ron refused to move back into the trailor and when he couldn't stay in the tent due to zoning by-laws, someone provided Ron with temporary living accommodations. Chelsea said Ron received a huge amount of money and gifts from donors so IMO, Ron wasn&#8217;t drawn into drug trafficking because he was in desperate need of money like Misty stated in Court she was. I don&#8217;t know if Ron has ever had to account for the free money and gifts he received, but Crystal who started the HaLeigh Bug Foundation did, although there were reports she failed to present her financial records upon request.

FYI, Chelsea said Ron helped himself to the money he received to pamper himself and pay for trips. R&M married because that is what HaLeigh wanted, and who knows people may have sent them money as a wedding gift. When they appeared as guests on popular Talk shows, they likely had all their expenses paid for them. Ron planned and attended mud bogging events with friends. He used his notoriety to get free meals in restaurants for him and his friends according to AH. Ron retained a lawyer so he wouldn't have to fill his time up in lengthy interviews with LEO who were investigating his daughter's disappearance; and Ron, according to Chelsea, put a stop to Misty's interviews with LE. Ron received $12000 from Crystal for child support after HaLeigh vanished. Ron and Misty moved in with Ron&#8217;s grandmother and whether or not Ron paid room and board is unknown to me but he was no longer solely responsible for maintaining a home, paying the bills, and putting food on the table. His tattoos of JR and HaLeigh were also "gifts". We don&#8217;t know if the balloons released on HaLeigh&#8217;s birthday were "gifts" or paid for by donations to the Cummings family. One billboard with HaLeigh on it was apparently donated by Crimestoppers.

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CHELSEA CROSLIN: I mean they took trips everywhere. Ronald was given so much donation money from HaLeigh&#8217;s case you know and he used it to his full advantage. He pampered himself. He treated himself like he was a King instead.

LEVI PAGE: Some people seen Chelsea Ron Cummings at a convenience store take donation money out of a jar and use it buy beer.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised about it. I watched Ronald be handed so much money he would walk around smiling. He pulled out a wad one day and just looked at me and said &#8216;hey look Chel&#8217; with a big ole smile and I was just like, whoa you know, I was like what is that for? Because I thought there is that bank account, why are you holding onto that? You know I saw a man pull up on a 3-wheeler and hand Ronald a cheque for $10,000.

PAT BROWN: Can I ask a question Chelsea? Did Ronald ever talk about putting billboards up with all the money he was getting?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: No, Ron never talked about nothing that he was going to do with the money. I just saw him and the rest of his family pampering themselves with the money. I do know there was a billboard put up for HaLeigh but I don&#8217;t know who funded that.

LEVI PAGE: Crimestoppers I think.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/10/05/levi-page-show

Wow! A simple Thanks was not enough for this consolidated information. Thank you.

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This speaks volumes to state of mind and priorities IMO. Why waste money searching for HaLeigh when they knew where HaLeigh is so ... translate it into a new life.

Like the Anthony's who shouted at everyone else to search for Caylee, pointed there fingers in all directions and took us there but, did nothing to find her and would NOT allow TES. The only thing that GA did was drive around with that KFN donated billboard and I think that was more to get out of that crazy house ... because he knew and has some conscience.

Ron clearly did not have a conscience and recovered quickly to enjoy his new found notoriety and partied in NY City.

 

[suspicious1]

In re: post 214 from Bluesky.

When I read your post...it made me think about what Misty said in one of her jailhouse videos.....she talked about how they used her...and that since the Cummings had everyone waiting on them hand and foot...they didn't need Misty anymore. Could this be true?

Didn't a few of them get new cars after Haleigh disappeared?

But what confuses me..is that in October '09 Shoemaker claimed that they were going to try and find a private investigator but in order to do so they needed funds...they were going to be taking donations, I think. So if Ron had all this money, why couldn't he afford a PI to look into his daughters disappearance? Could the well have run dry by October '09? Maybe they were all hurting for money by then..didn't Teresa get evicted some time later? what happened to the money? It doesn't seem like any of it went on searching for Haleigh...

 

[bessie]

Let me see if I have this straight so far.

Because Ron has a previous record for drugs from years back, that means he was still dealing and just not getting caught, but because Misty did not have a previous record, that means she was not dealing at all.

Because Ron has a previous record for drugs and is older than Misty, Misty getting involved in a romantic relationship with Ron disqualifies her (for life?) of ever breaking the law regarding drugs of her own devices. I ask for life, because from this point forward, Ron is ALWAYS going to be older than Misty, and Ron is ALWAYS going to have a drug record going farther back than Misty. Does this rule apply to everyone, or just Misty? I'm just wondering, because everyone with a drug record had a first bust, and following this logic would imply, IMO, every single one of them was nothing more than a runner for some puppetmaster in the background pulling their strings. I wonder who Ron's controller was back in the day? Maybe his grandma?

IMO, and by my interpretations of what I have read, when Ron is the 'Kingpin', this is a two-bit operation with a bunch of rank amateurs running around who couldn't find their posteriors with both hands, a flashlight and a mirror, and with a 'Kingpin' who is so stupid he has 4 drugrunners to shield and protect himself from risk, yet puts himself right in the middle of it to what, feed his ego? and ends up with a 15 year prison sentence. Yet when Misty is the 'Kingpin', this becomes some massive complex operation working on several levels that is just way too complicated and requires way too much brains and experience for Misty to possibly pull off, even though she winds up with a 25 year prison sentence. IMO, a mere month long undercover sting resulting in the arrest and conviction of 5 people, 3 of whom are main players in a homicide investigation, does not imply to me any brain functioning went on here.

It is ridiculous to assume snitches may be following around suspected drug 'dealers', or as I would have termed it, keeping an eye on them, yet it is perfectly plausible to believe several departments of LE in the state of Florida are involved in a conspiracy and cover-up to protect Ron and crucify Misty. In fact, LE is so invested in this, not only are they willing to issue statements to the press that are lies, but an FDLE officer will put himself on the stand at Misty's sentencing hearing and perjure himself to get this done.

LE, who is he77bent to protect Ron at all costs, arrests Ron and only lets him plead 10 years off his sentence, so he ONLY has to serve 15 years. IMO, LE is not any better shielding Ron than Ron appears to be operating his drug cartel.

And last, but not least, Misty is completely fine with being the patsy, sacrificing her brother, who apparently is on board with it to the point of losing his family, and serving 25 years in prison without a peep to cover for a man (and his family) who allegedly beats her, allegedly caused her to miscarry, allegedly killed his daughter and made it look like she did it, married her and then divorced her, allegedly used her as a drugrunner, and last I heard has nothing good to say about her, all because she loves him so much. IMO, if Hitler had had Ron on his side, we would all be speaking German now.

All the above, MOO.

:gold_crown:Oh, how I love common sense!

And don't forget, the detective perjured himself by saying that Misty initiated all of the deals even though their telephone conversations were recorded and his car was outfitted with video recording and audio monitoring equipment.

:rolling: :yes: :rolling: :yes: :rolling:

 

[Emma Peel]

I am not all that sure it is a rare exception though especially if the offenses are felonies.

Florida - a juvenile is anyone under the age of 18. Florida allows prosecutors, not judges, to decide whether a juvenile will be tried as an adult. For discretionary waiver, the minimum age is 14 years old in order to be tried as an adult. For direct filing, the age depends on the crime but no minimum age is set for capital offenses (offenses punishable by death or life imprisonment). As to statutory exclusions, the minimum age again varies with the crime, but is usually 16 years old.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/juvenile-tried-as-an-adult.html

Just wanted to thank everyone (Twall & OBE & everyone) who've provided legal links to help us explore & discuss these questions about age & YO and what-not. Having a busy week at work - and I would not have been able to do this research myself. :blowkiss: Appreciate it!

 

[justus4all]

In re: post 214 from Bluesky.

When I read your post...it made me think about what Misty said in one of her jailhouse videos.....she talked about how they used her...and that since the Cummings had everyone waiting on them hand and foot...they didn't need Misty anymore. Could this be true?

Didn't a few of them get new cars after Haleigh disappeared?

But what confuses me..is that in October '09 Shoemaker claimed that they were going to try and find a private investigator but in order to do so they needed funds...they were going to be taking donations, I think. So if Ron had all this money, why couldn't he afford a PI to look into his daughters disappearance? Could the well have run dry by October '09? Maybe they were all hurting for money by then..didn't Teresa get evicted some time later? what happened to the money? It doesn't seem like any of it went on searching for Haleigh...

Exactly!!!...IF Ron and company really believed Haleigh was abducted..they would have hired a PI to initiate a search for her...But what DID they do...exactly what you are referring to...Spent it on THEMSELVES..They didn't need to find Haleigh..They had buried her..and they just wanted the rest of the world to BUTT out of their business....they actually thought .....all this.....would just....go away...imo..

 

[bessie]

Bessie, thanks for asking that question. I have not had the privilege of viewing any videotape of Misty transacting drug deals on her own. All I know is what I've seen as their so called "evidence". Could you point me in that direction?

Whether there is videotape of it or not still does not explain why Misty had no priors on record until she met up with Mr. Ron other than there weren't any. When I went to school, 1 plus any number was not singular. Her source at the very least should be part of this group, if not already. When you say Ron was not involved.....how do we know that? He wasn't there when she made the exchange? Doesn't convince me one bit.

Dec 22, 2009
Misty and her brother Tommy sell 45 oxycodone to the undercover dectective (UC). Tommy makes several phone calls before a guy in a black pick-up truck delivers the pills to him while Misty and the UC wait in the UC's car across the street.

January 8, 2010
Misty had been in Virginia with Donna Brock for several days. On the way back to Florida, she talks to the UC by phone and offers "to sell [UC] a large quantity of 7.5mg "Endocet" (hydrocodone) prescription pills. Cummings told [UC] that she and Brock had a 'lot of them'."

These were the first two transactions between Misty and the detective. If you read the incident reports, it's quite obvious that Misty was acting on her own.

January 12, 13, and 14, 2010
Three more transactions take place. Ron and Misty are involved in all three. Hope is present during two, but only charged in the Jan. 13th transaction.

On Jan. 12th, there is a bungled attempt to get drugs to sell to the UC. In the end, they come up with only nine Lortabs, but promise more the next day.

On Jan 13th all three entered the UC's car, and "Misty directed UC to give her the money and drive down Old San Mateo Rd...where M. Cummings and Sykes exited the vehicle and walked up to an unknown residence" from which they obtained the 25 hydrocodone pills they subsequently sold to the UC. I'm fairly certain that the source of the drugs was Hope's contact. It's in the video of this transaction that we hear Ron promise to have 50 yellow Percocets from "right around the corner" in the next day or two.

On Jan 14th, Ron and Misty sold the UC 71 hydrocodone. Still no Percocets or Roxies.

January 18, 2010
Misty and the UC drive to a house in San Mateo where they pick up NayNay's little sister "K". The three drive to another house on Tropic Ave where Misty and "K" get 18 hydrocodone (not the oxycodone Ron "guaranteed"). Later, the UC drives Misty to a Kangaroo where Ron is waiting for her. Ron is not charged, though he does talk to the UC about a future transaction.

Ron and Misty were ultimately charged with transactions on Jan 19th and 20th. The warrants were issued after their arrests, and the incident reports have not been published, but we have seen video from the final incident on Jan 20th when Misty and Ron turned the tables and agreed to sell 200 pills for the UC.

Links to the first six incident reports can be found at this post in the Media thread here in Haleigh's forum.
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MEDIA / LINKS ONLY - No discussion

If you haven't read them, I recommend doing so. They are the best source of factual information (about the drug dealings) available to us.

Brief footage from five of the transactions can be seen in the video at this link.
http://video.gainesville.com/video/68075153001

Clearly, neither Ron nor Misty is a drug kingpin. On the contrary, as drug dealers go, they're rank amateurs. Sure, Ron exhibits a lot of bravado because that's a feature of his personality. At times, Misty does, as well. But few seasoned drug dealers spout off to a new contact as much information as we hear from Ron.

As to why Misty had no priors before meeting Ron, Misty's familiarity with drugs is well documented. Her parents are drug abusers, and her known friends have all been arrested for drugs both before and after Haleigh went missing. There was the three day binge we've heard so much about. And, on October 20, 2009, Misty and two other young women were mugged at an apartment complex in Palatka. One of the women told police they had gone there to buy drugs.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/...-robbed-while-trying-to-buy-drugs-police-say-

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=146957&catid=3

Misty didn't need Ron to get her into trouble. She was quite capable of doing that on her own. If she truly has no record as a juvenile, it was just a matter of time. Sure Ron's a bully and a lot of other things. But in this drug mess, neither is more guilty nor innocent than the other.