Defense FINALLY Begins Depo Process

[zoey]

I think the Judge will be furious, and especially since he'll be learning it from the news media. LDB specifically brought these concerns up at the staus hearing.
ITA LLL but think this will backfire in a huge way. They're still way behind and getting further so. Next time JBP will set their schedule and maybe it will be a schedule that favours the states availability.
I have problems with the idea they don't know exactly what each person on the states witness list is there for at this point. Seems to me if you really have an ahhhhh defense like JB says he does, you wouldn't be worried about deposing the person who answered 911 call number 2 or the gal who carried out an evidence bag at all.

I still recall the last hearing when ca was being interviewed by LDB and jb stood up as if to question some of the actual evidence/documents that she was questioning about...at this time I would think he would know what had been out there for quite a while....I see nothing good with his defense or the team...half (probably more than half--just giving the benefit of doubt)-cm doesn't appear to know diddly about anything----just gazing out in lala land....and the girls sitting behind them---they looked a tad unprofessional as well----

As for GR---I lost even more respect in him when during the iraq invasion he showed on the sand their location---he was kicked out at that time....However, does make me wonder what is said between the two about this case....how much jb has spilled along with everything else.....:waitasec:

 

[ThinkTank]

Seems like they'll be rushing through these depos and how does that give ICA a good defense???

This is the slithering way of getting his time schedule met. JBP stated, only if the defense has a good reason would he extend those deadlines. How does dragging ones feet get on the good side of His Honor? Well, Judge, I did try my best but it's just too many at one time! DUH...you had 2 years to get this act together. You mean to tell me, only when His Honor makes you put your nose to the grindstone is when you start your investigations??? Maybe if Baez didn't put so much energy in trying to find a scapegoat, he would put those energies where they truly belong..I just dont' see this as a competent move...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

According to Judge P's new Order regarding deadlines, they got an extension on doing the depositions of law enforcement personnel - it was set at September 30, 2010, but Judge P. extended the deadline to October 31, 2010. He also extended the deadline to file non scientific evidentiary motions to November 30, 2010 (had been deadline of October 31, 2010).

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24867471/detail.html
SECOND AMENDED ORDER SETTING DISCOVERY, MOTION and HEARING DEADLINES and TRIAL DATE
page 2, paragraph 3

 

[whiteangora]

Bingo! You sure called this one right Paintr:

"Anthony Defense to Take 35 Depositions

Defense Says It Will Do More Extensive Depositions Later"

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24861546/detail.html

35 Depositions in 2 days?
Maybe they will go like this:
JB: State your name, address and occupation
Witness: blablablabla
JB : NEXT!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

You haven't asked for my opinion HF, but I'm offering it anyway. :dance:

I think Baez knows he is out of his depth, his client is unbelievably guilty, he faces a mound of indisputable evidence, and if you'll excuse the term, he's going to get slaughtered at trial.
I think he's like a little kid who has to do something he really really doesn't want to do, so he's dragging his heels, stalling as things (anything!) catches his attention and generally doodling around before he has to face his ultimate humiliation - which will be defending ICA at trial. If his behavior wasn't so annoying, I'd feel sorry for him. Kinda.......:banghead:

Oh I agree...and I just don't understand this obsession with the jail releasing her snack records...I don't understand it because she is facing the death penalty and it seems like he should be mounting a defense or getting an alibi or something...but none of that seems to be happening.

I mean, what will he do at trial? I picture it going like - Baez has some obscure witness/expert, asks them 3 or 4 questions that don't seem to fit in anywhere or seem relevant...the SA doesn't bother asking anything, moves on to the next thing...Baez looks silly, everyone watching thinks "Okaaaaay what was that one all about?" Rinse and repeat.

 

[ThinkTank]

Judge P. also gave a new Order that within 2 days of a Hearing, they must exchange with each side, and file with the Court a list of EXHIBITS and WITNESSES they plan to use at the Hearing.

No more handing an exhibit to the other side DURING the Hearing, and the other side saying, "I was JUST given this document" (for example: color coded chart of deposition schedule). And no more springing surprise witnesses up to the witness stand during a Hearing.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24867471/detail.html
SECOND AMENDED ORDER SETTING DISCOVERY, MOTION and HEARING DEADLINES and TRIAL DATE

 

[logicalgirl]

Judge P. also gave a new Order that within 2 days of a Hearing, they must exchange with each side, and file with the Court a list of EXHIBITS and WITNESSES they plan to use at the Hearing.

No more handing an exhibit to the other side DURING the Hearing, and the other side saying, "I was JUST given this document" (for example: color coded chart of deposition schedule). And no more springing surprise witnesses up to the witness stand during a Hearing.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24867471/detail.html
SECOND AMENDED ORDER SETTING DISCOVERY, MOTION and HEARING DEADLINES and TRIAL DATE

I especially like this Order - and I'm sure Mr. Baez does also. :croc:

 

[kaRN]

I still recall the last hearing when ca was being interviewed by LDB and jb stood up as if to question some of the actual evidence/documents that she was questioning about...at this time I would think he would know what had been out there for quite a while....I see nothing good with his defense or the team...half (probably more than half--just giving the benefit of doubt)-cm doesn't appear to know diddly about anything----just gazing out in lala land....and the girls sitting behind them---they looked a tad unprofessional as well----,

As for GR---I lost even more respect in him when during the iraq invasion he showed on the sand their location---he was kicked out at that time....However, does make me wonder what is said between the two about this case....how much jb has spilled along with everything else.....:waitasec:

He stood up like that for almost the entire hearing on Monday. I've tried to find it again but no luck so far and I can only watch the tape so often but LKB is arguing something and JB is standing, rocking like a kid who needs the potty, clicking his pen like a madman and then he punches his hand. You can hear it on the audio and it was really aggressive IMO.
It's classic that GR met JB on TV and has stated it to the international media. My guess he's told GR everything because they not only share an ethnic background but an ethic one.

 

[ThinkTank]

He stood up like that for almost the entire hearing on Monday. I've tried to find it again but no luck so far and I can only watch the tape so often but LKB is arguing something and JB is standing, rocking like a kid who needs the potty, clicking his pen like a madman and then he punches his hand. You can hear it on the audio and it was really aggressive IMO.
It's classic that GR met JB on TV and has stated it to the international media. My guess he's told GR everything because they not only share an ethnic background but an ethic one.

Found it at about 16:20 minutes into Part 2 video of the Hearing
STATUS HEARING: Part 2
http://www.wftv.com/video/24825363/index.html

LDBurdick is talking about LE depos - how they have to sit around - Baez is squirming then snaps the pen loudly in his hand.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Found it at about 16:20 minutes into Part 2 video of the Hearing
STATUS HEARING: Part 2
http://www.wftv.com/video/24825363/index.html

LDBurdick is talking about LE depos - how they have to sit around - Baez is squirming then snaps the pen loudly in his hand.

I was facinated when I watched this closely!

Linda Drane Burdick : "The rules of criminal procedure..."
Jose Baez: Pen click and snap as soon as she completes the word procedure.

Hmmmmmm is someone a bit sensitive about that partricular topic????????

 

[countzero]

Ever since the hearing where ICA tripped on her shackles and injured her ankle, I have listened with earphones. You definitely have more clarity and can hear words. At the hearing with the side bar, I could hear JB whining to HHJP how ICA was injured. Of course as usual JB embellished upon it.

So yes, I heard the pen clicking, and all. I guess I am so de-sensitized from previous JB ill manners and actions that it doesn't register with me until others notice these as well.

 

[watcher9]

Judge P. also gave a new Order that within 2 days of a Hearing, they must exchange with each side, and file with the Court a list of EXHIBITS and WITNESSES they plan to use at the Hearing.

No more handing an exhibit to the other side DURING the Hearing, and the other side saying, "I was JUST given this document" (for example: color coded chart of deposition schedule). And no more springing surprise witnesses up to the witness stand during a Hearing.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24867471/detail.html
SECOND AMENDED ORDER SETTING DISCOVERY, MOTION and HEARING DEADLINES and TRIAL DATE

I just love this new order. I think HHBP is trying to keep JB on the straight with no more Judge just have one more thing statements!

But I can still picture JB trying to circumvent this order though by whining But Judge, I didn't get a chance to list this surprise witness ahead of time. I just uncovered this person and their testimony is so vital to the case that the testimony needs to be heard today to back up our proof that ICA is innocent.

:furious:

 

[Sun]

I was facinated when I watched this closely!

Linda Drane Burdick : "The rules of criminal procedure..."
Jose Baez: Pen click and snap as soon as she completes the word procedure.

Hmmmmmm is someone a bit sensitive about that partricular topic????????

http://www.wftv.com/video/24871411/index.html

And, KBelich just has to mention that very thing in her very short interview of Baez this morning. :dance:

 

[Hell's Belle]

According to Judge P's new Order regarding deadlines, they got an extension on doing the depositions of law enforcement personnel - it was set at September 30, 2010, but Judge P. extended the deadline to October 31, 2010. He also extended the deadline to file non scientific evidentiary motions to November 30, 2010 (had been deadline of October 31, 2010).

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24867471/detail.html
SECOND AMENDED ORDER SETTING DISCOVERY, MOTION and HEARING DEADLINES and TRIAL DATE
page 2, paragraph 3

The judge extended the deadlines based on an agreement between the State and the defense.

By the way, generally speaking parties don't get to take the deposition of any witness more than once. Once the lawyer says, "No further questions," they're done with their ability to compel the appearance of that witness until trial. If the deposition is *not* concluded because there wasn't enough time, it can be continued to another specific time or "sine die," which is a continuance for an unspecified time. The defense would be extremely ill-advised to try that gambit 35 times in one day.

You could fit in 35 depos in one day if you were CERTAIN that NOT ONE WITNESS would have information that you wanted to explore and you just needed to make sure. You would also be okay if the LAST witness of the day was someone who had relevant information and you continued the LAST deposition of the day, either sine die or to a specified new date.

Where you would start running into problems would be if, say, the eighth, tenth, AND seventeenth witnesses are people you discover that you want more than ten minutes with. You can't adjourn them all sine dine and additional witnesses are stacking up in the hallway because you are behind schedule :waitasec:. I wouldn't want to put myself in that kind of potential bind. Baez and Co. have enough information about the witnesses, however, to figure in advance who is important. Someone who took Casey's fingerprints will need less time than Yuri Melich.

Scheduling depositions in big cases can be a logistical nightmare. They should probably go to multiple tracks, but I don't know if the defense has enough competent lawyers to handle more than one track at once (okay, that was snide of me).

Finally, in a capital murder case I think it is appropriate to take the 35 depositions in order to make sure they have nothing to offer, just in case; my criticism is of the amateurish way the scheduling was handed by the defense team.

 

[Aedrys]

According to Judge P's new Order regarding deadlines, they got an extension on doing the depositions of law enforcement personnel - it was set at September 30, 2010, but Judge P. extended the deadline to October 31, 2010. He also extended the deadline to file non scientific evidentiary motions to November 30, 2010 (had been deadline of October 31, 2010).

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24867471/detail.html
SECOND AMENDED ORDER SETTING DISCOVERY, MOTION and HEARING DEADLINES and TRIAL DATE
page 2, paragraph 3

I am not happy with this. They get them moved back again? Does HHJP have to do this? Is there not a point where enough is enough and he can just say no? I am just furious that they got YET another extension!!!! How is this trial supposed to happen if they keep getting extensions? And we all know they'll just keep asking for more. GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! I don't get it.

 

[nums24]

And the defense WHINES some more!

The defense questioned 13 officers before lunch with a two-day total of about 35.

So far, Anthony's defense said none of the officers should have been deemed a category "A" witness.

"We've asked the state to discriminate on these categories so we wouldn't have to waste our time and money," Mason said.

"Apparently it's office policy to designate everybody everybody no matter how minor their role is as a Category A witness," Baez said.

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...nthony:-Defense-plans-to-question-35-officers

 

[sleutherontheside]

So....
According to JB's comments on video (found in post 175) regarding those deposed today......

"These are people...maybe who collected something of evidence and turned it over to someone else, people who showed up and conducted one interview, people who sat in with another detective conducting an interview..."

My questions...

If JB has already stated in open court that they have an issue with chain of custody in a particular instance...and have stated that LE only focused on his client.......WHY would these individuals be of NO interest to the defense?????

Mason opined that the state put everyone under category A. He appears to take issue with that. Now..........if the defense wanted to use any of those parties and their "role" to create doubt regarding LE fully investigating all possibilities.......would they not benefit from having fully deposed all LE???

Sounds to me like the defense got their boxers in a twist becasue the State anticipated one possible strategy. JMO

 

[ThinkTank]

Originally Posted by ThinkTank
According to Judge P's new Order regarding deadlines, they got an extension on doing the depositions of law enforcement personnel - it was set at September 30, 2010, but Judge P. extended the deadline to October 31, 2010. He also extended the deadline to file non scientific evidentiary motions to November 30, 2010 (had been deadline of October 31, 2010).

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24867471/detail.html
SECOND AMENDED ORDER SETTING DISCOVERY, MOTION and HEARING DEADLINES and TRIAL DATE
page 2, paragraph 3

I am not happy with this. They get them moved back again? Does HHJP have to do this? Is there not a point where enough is enough and he can just say no? I am just furious that they got YET another extension!!!! How is this trial supposed to happen if they keep getting extensions? And we all know they'll just keep asking for more. GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! I don't get it.

I thought the same thing, but it was by "mutual agreement" with the State and Defense, to extend the deadline, according to Judge Perry's Order.

 

[LolaMoon08]

And the defense WHINES some more!

The defense questioned 13 officers before lunch with a two-day total of about 35.

So far, Anthony's defense said none of the officers should have been deemed a category "A" witness.

"We've asked the state to discriminate on these categories so we wouldn't have to waste our time and money," Mason said.

"Apparently it's office policy to designate everybody everybody no matter how minor their role is as a Category A witness," Baez said.

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...nthony:-Defense-plans-to-question-35-officers

Sounds to me like Mr. Mason and Mr. Baez are none to happy about having to actually "work."

Also, Mr. Mason should also remember that it may be his time that he feels that he is wasting (not so much fun now is it?), but it is "MY" money and my fellow Floridian's money that is paying for Casey Anthony's defense and I would rather see them forced to take these depositions (no matter how irrelevent they think they are) then not.

I'm tired of all the stall tactics. It's time to get this done. Hopefully Judge Perry is absolutely set on making sure this goes to trial in May 2011.

 

[beach]

So....
According to JB's comments on video (found in post 175) regarding those deposed today......

"These are people...maybe who collected something of evidence and turned it over to someone else, people who showed up and conducted one interview, people who sat in with another detective conducting an interview..."

My questions...

If JB has already stated in open court that they have an issue with chain of custody in a particular instance...and have stated that LE only focused on his client.......WHY would these individuals be of NO interest to the defense?????

Mason opined that the state put everyone under category A. He appears to take issue with that. Now..........if the defense wanted to use any of those parties and their "role" to create doubt regarding LE fully investigating all possibilities.......would they not benefit from having fully deposed all LE???

Sounds to me like the defense got their boxers in a twist becasue the State anticipated one possible strategy. JMO

You'd think they'd really want to hone in, verify the chain-of-custody and look at the people who might have had direct access to evidence and/or the crime scene. Apparently that is not the strategy they are going after. :innocent: Not sure why. Seems to me they'd have a better shot at poking a hole in that and try to create reasonable doubt with some outlandish, confusing, cross-contamination theory. Looks like their ONLY focus is the SODDI approach and opting to slander 25% of the population of Orlando instead.

Such a Casey approach...

 

[nums24]

So....
According to JB's comments on video (found in post 175) regarding those deposed today......

"These are people...maybe who collected something of evidence and turned it over to someone else, people who showed up and conducted one interview, people who sat in with another detective conducting an interview..."

My questions...

If JB has already stated in open court that they have an issue with chain of custody in a particular instance...and have stated that LE only focused on his client.......WHY would these individuals be of NO interest to the defense?????

Mason opined that the state put everyone under category A. He appears to take issue with that. Now..........if the defense wanted to use any of those parties and their "role" to create doubt regarding LE fully investigating all possibilities.......would they not benefit from having fully deposed all LE???

Sounds to me like the defense got their boxers in a twist becasue the State anticipated one possible strategy. JMO

You make some excellent points. I think their boxers are in a twist because they are being forced to go through the motions of pretrial prep all the while knowing that their client is guilty and that all of this preparation is nothing but a huge waste.