Defense Team has not visited KC in 8 Days

[nanny1]

"Beautiful" might just BREAK DOWN and call her parents if Jose doesn't show up soon...either one of the Joses.

Oh goody,that would mean another jail house video:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

 

[Jolynna]

I think that a lot of people here don't really understand the job of a Criminal Defense Attorney. The job is NOT to prove their client innocent. The job is to FORCE the prosecution to PROVE that their client is guilty with:
1. sound arguments
2. reliable testimony
and
3. solid evidence.

No Criminal Defense Attorney cares if his/her client is guilty or innocent. Guilt or innocence of the client has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Criminal Defense Attorney's job. In a nutshell, the Criminal Defense Attorney's job is to protect the rights of ordinary citizens from the government. It is part of the checks and balances put into place by the founding fathers of our country to make certain that we, as citizens, are fully protected from unfair treatment by our govenrment. No one in the legal community would ever disrespect a Criminal Defense Attorney for representing a guilty person because they understand that.

For those of you who are unaware of the real role of a Criminal Defense Attorney, I think this article may be helpful in understanding what it really is:

http://www.ethicsscoreboard.com/list/defense.html

Frankly, the Casey Anthony case is a Criminal Defense Attorney's dream case due to it's notoriety. Baez has lined up experts who will question the prosecutions evidence in every possible way and do their best to demolish them making the jury question the prosecution case. Baez is obviously working hard to do all that a defense attorney should do to debate the prosecution on every level and call the prosecution into question, creating reasonable doubt in the mind of potential jurors. That is EXACTLY what he is supposed to be doing, like it or not.

No Criminal Defense Attorney would willingly walk away from this kind of opportunity.

I agree with you.

 

[ThinkTank]

I think Baez hiring the new PR woman, coincides with the decrease in jail visits to the inmate. I would think the PR woman told Baez that is the first thing that MUST change. Didn't he announce the new PR woman within the last 7-8 days?

 

[nancy botwin]

How can she plead to aggravated manslaughter when it's not even offered at this point? The charge is murder1.

It's a seven count indictment. Count 3 is aggravated manslaughter-- which is an alternative charge to count 1 and can subsume charge 2.

 

[Cherry Baby]

I think Baez hiring the new PR woman, coincides with the decrease in jail visits to the inmate. I would think the PR woman told Baez that is the first thing that MUST change. Didn't he announce the new PR woman within the last 7-8 days?

My dear, you may be on to something...

 

[beancounter]

I agree with what TheOnly1 just posted, I don't think Casey could really have deeply shocked JB with any reaction or statements she made during the memorial. And if she did, maybe criminal defense work isn't the best fit for JB. I imagine JB has been privy to loads of alarming displays and inappropriate affect coming from "his girl."

I agree with you that this situation could be the result of many factors. JB is probably very stressed and in over his head. But it is definitely strange to see such a marked change in visitation patterns at this point.

I was just thinking of a potentially positive reason for the marked decrease in visitations:woohoo::woohoo::
WHAT IF JB & Co. have reviewed the newest evidence and are now convinced that the best outcome their client can hope for is some sort of plea agreement or to plead to certain charges?

Casey's attys can present plea deals or options to her, but she has the final say. As long as Casey is getting tons of attention/visits/opportunities to see internet coverage and media reports about herself, she's pretty content IMO. It's fun for her, in a way. She gets to feel like the princess locked away in a tower with her fearless knights (JB & friends) valiantly fighting to free her.

Cut off her ability to monitor the press and internet and her ability to talk about herself whenever she wants and she's going to get less content. She's going to be forced to start contemplating the reality of the present and the inevitability of the future. Maybe JB has wisened up and realized that doting on Casey all the time could be counterproductive to her ever accepting any potential plea deal. So he's backing off on Buddy Time and starting to treat her like most attorneys would treat their clients in this situation-- ie not visiting her for 1-3 hours every day/other day. I hope so!

I think that's a very plausible theory. She needs a dose of reality and being completely isolated from the outside for a while might make her realize what she's facing. It may be possible as others have mentioned that JB has stepped back into reality and realizes he's in way over his head.

 

[okiedokietoo]

At first I thought maybe KC didn't want Defense to visit then I thought back to the last court appearance of KC (the jacket not jail clothes one) where JB wrote something on the tablet and KC did the over dramatic pointing to the paper and they shared this humor/silent giggle moment - I think it was some sort of joke on MN (he was addressing the court at that moment and pure speculation on my part but watch the video) and it was an A B or C multiple choice thing - LKB is watching them and she isn't amused and when court was over she was looking at the tablet reading it and still didn't look amused --- point?
I think LKB put her foot down.

MO

 

[diz39]

I think Baez hiring the new PR woman, coincides with the decrease in jail visits to the inmate. I would think the PR woman told Baez that is the first thing that MUST change. Didn't he announce the new PR woman within the last 7-8 days?

Can't you just hear KC's response to being told that? "Jose, they just don't understand our relationship. We know where they are going with this. I'm the victim here, and I need my attorney to help me focus on my case. Cuz that is where the focus needs to be right now. On my case! And if the PR person doesn't understand, don't be nice to her. Hiring her was a waste, a total waste."

 

[Bobbisangel]

But... she's too angry to swallow!

That makes twice now since she has been in jail that she has gotten angry!

If she is good and mad at Baez it is his own fault. She spent 8 or so hours a day with him while she was out on bail. He has probably been to the jail every day until recently. It's his own fault if she expects a lot from him. I think until recently he thought he was saving poor innocent Casey but he finally figured out that he really needs someone to save him from her.

Looks like she has cut everyone out of her life. I don't think any of her friends have been to see her since she has been jailed or even when she was out on bail. Don't think she cut the friends out though...they just don't want anything to do with her. Won't be long until she will be begging her parents to come and see her so she can whine on them and tell them what a victim she is and how mean Baez is.

 

[Paintr]

Can't you just hear KC's response to being told that? "Jose, they just don't understand our relationship. We know where they are going with this. I'm the victim here, and I need my attorney to help me focus on my case. Cuz that is where the focus needs to be right now. On my case! And if the PR person doesn't understand, don't be nice to her. Hiring her was a waste, a total waste."

Diz, I am getting worried about you. You 'do' KC just a little bit too well. Step away from the computer...slowly! LOL!

Back on topic, I wonder if the new PR told JB that such closeness was not appropriate. She is rumoured to be good at her job.

 

[cajun]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18734025/detail.html

Jail records show Casey's defense attorney, Jose Baez, has not visited her for eight days, nor has anyone else from the defense team. That's the longest she's ever gone without seeing her defense attorneys since she was indicted four months ago.

I'm curious if the legal eagles might have some insight to offer as to why the defense team might have pulled back somewhat at this time.

I personally find this especially interesting as this means that no one from the defense team has visited KC since the day after Caylee's memorial.

Thoughts?

Now that has me curious as to if something happened during their visit, like Casey confessing to JB exactly what she did.

 

[diz39]

Diz, I am getting worried about you. You 'do' KC just a little bit too well. Step away from the computer...slowly! LOL!

Back on topic, I wonder if the new PR told JB that such closeness was not appropriate. She is rumoured to be good at her job.

O/T Paintr you are right. I had no problem clearly recalling her lines when I was typing that. Dang, I need to get a hobby or something!

I have heard that the PR chic is very good and well thought of. Another thing I thought was maybe Jose and gang glommed onto her advice to put a little space in the attorney/client relationship because they were so DRAINED after the months of hand holding and coddling. You can only do that so long before the well runs dry, KWIM?

 

[Lovejac]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18734025/detail.html

Jail records show Casey's defense attorney, Jose Baez, has not visited her for eight days, nor has anyone else from the defense team. That's the longest she's ever gone without seeing her defense attorneys since she was indicted four months ago.

I'm curious if the legal eagles might have some insight to offer as to why the defense team might have pulled back somewhat at this time.

I personally find this especially interesting as this means that no one from the defense team has visited KC since the day after Caylee's memorial.

Thoughts?

Tater!!! Yay, I missed you tremendously. Give your grandbabby kisses from me!

Back on topic. I love this report. You just know ms.casey is pizzed!!! Love it, love it. I would also love to be there when JB finally does go see her after our long awaited doc dump. It ain't gonna be purdy!!

 

[truthsleuth]

Rivera lives in a three-house compound in Riverside, New Jersey. He also owns a federally-protected island off the coast of Puerto Rico. (For environmental purposes, Rivera's residence is a three-story "floating home," powered by generators and docked next to the island.) He also has a summer estate in Marion, Mass., near Cape Cod, that features a helipad.

You know I had read that awhile back...what's interesting is that Riverside is very far from NY...and just does not make for an easy commute. FWIW

The source said that in error. Rivera lives 1/2 mile away from me in Edgewater NJ. Trust me, I know. I've run into him at the supermarket in the past.

Edgewater, NJ, is literally 1-2 minutes from the George Washington Bridge, which is 1 mile from upper Manhattan.

 

[Lovejac]

I posted this in the "Visitors and Commissary" thread, but I wonder if the defense team has stopped spending SO much time (aka billable hours) with Casey since severing ties with the illustrious Todd Black and the generous "family from Connecticut" ??

I wonder if some recent events (publicly known or not) have jeopardized whatever funding arrangement seems to have been behind the defense machine for some time. Casey shopped like someone else was footing the bill (and they were) and I think her legal representation also looked like it was undertaken with the knowledge some deep pockets would be there in the end to pay for everything. Maybe the pockets have left the building?

I can't see why they wouldn't, good thinking and reasoning left a loooooong time ago!

 

[Balthazar]

Now that has me curious as to if something happened during their visit, like Casey confessing to JB exactly what she did.

Any Criminal Defense Attorney's first discussion with the client is that they "don't care if the defendant is guilty or innocent" and that they "don't want to know." If Casey were to begin to tell JB this sort of information, he would just get up and walk out because frankly, that sort of information is of no interest to him and does not fit his role in this case.

Casey has very little information to share with Baez that would be of interest other than witnesses who could prove her innocent whose names she might give him. At this point, he is working with his team to establish plans of action to discredit the prosecution or call into question any data or evidence that has been gathered. They are also working on a change of venue. The new documents are being disseminated to the defense team. Remember, Baez's job is NOT to prove Casey innocent. It's to FORCE the prosecution to PROVE HER GUILTY. That is what he is working on. He doesn't need Casey for that.

This case is a Criminal Defense Attorney's dream case. There is no way Baez would willingly give this up. The money to be made comes after the case is over. Win or lose, Baez has the inside track, he's gained the notariety and if he handles himself well in court causing the jury to doubt the prosecutions case or in getting Casey to accept a plea bargain, he will be seen as successful by the legal community. This is the kind of case that can make a career.

 

[diz39]

He can tell the judge his client can't afford his fees and walk away from the case, besides he's not Death Penalty qualified, but that didn't stop Mark Geragos. She'd have to get a Public Defender.

Bold mine. Wow! Can a lawyer really tell a judge that the client cannot afford his fees and walk away?

 

[Bobbisangel]

Right. Health problem could do it... hmmm...

If he tried to bail out now because of health problems I think the judge would tell him to wait until later in the year to bring it up as the trial probably won't take place until later in the fall. Baez might not be sick by then. Personally, I think that he is stuck with this case. Who knows though, he might not even want to dump it.

 

[Paintr]

Any Criminal Defense Attorney's first discussion with the client is that they "don't care if the defendant is guilty or innocent" and that they "don't want to know." If Casey were to begin to tell JB this sort of information, he would just get up and walk out because frankly, that sort of information is of no interest to him and does not fit his role in this case.

Casey has very little information to share with Baez that would be of interest other than witnesses who could prove her innocent whose names she might give him. At this point, he is working with his team to establish plans of action to discredit the prosecution or call into question any data or evidence that has been gathered. They are also working on a change of venue. The new documents are being disseminated to the defense team. Remember, Baez's job is NOT to prove Casey innocent. It's to FORCE the prosecution to PROVE HER GUILTY. That is what he is working on. He doesn't need Casey for that.

This case is a Criminal Defense Attorney's dream case. There is no way Baez would willingly give this up. The money to be made comes after the case is over. Win or lose, Baez has the inside track, he's gained the notariety and if he handles himself well in court causing the jury to doubt the prosecutions case or in getting Casey to accept a plea bargain, he will be seen as successful by the legal community. This is the kind of case that can make a career.

But! But! But! I thought all those hours spent closeted in JB's office while KC was out on house arrest were to work on her case? You mean that was a mis-truth?

Unfortunately I agree with your post, Princessrose. Baez is probably smirking and plotting as I type this. He isn't going to leave center stage. KC probably is a means to an end by now. The case has steamrolled and she has little to add. Kind of ironic.

 

[PattyCake]

We can speculate all day and never know. However my 'take' is that Casey had a little stomping of the feet, MY WAY or the highway kind of thing and JB couldn't calm her down nor reason with her. Maybe he has tried to visit and she has refused ever since thinking acting like this will get her way in the end.

EXCEPT KC, this isn't your mom or dad. This is a lawyer with a lawyers brain and he won't play into your games. He will suggest the best offer all around and he's the one that won't budge. After all, many have already said, who's footing the bill here? If he ain't getting paid, there might be pressures all around not to play your games.