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  • #601
Just curious but why wouldn't the defense "leak" information that points to KC's innocence if it exists? I mean he’s so worried about pollution of the jury pool, why wait until the trial to reveal the big story that will make everyone finally understand her innocence?

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IMO, Jose wants to have the option to change his story at any given time. If he gives reasons that Casey is "innocent" incriminating evidence may surface and then he would be in deep **** and would not be able to manufacture a new "innocence story".
 
  • #602
God Bless you Tiki. The death of a child is the worst to recover from, if one ever does. My mother, now deceased almost 1 1/2 yrs, buried 3 sons in her lifetime. One at the tender age of 5 who died from a head injury from falling off a bike, the second at the age of 26 from suicide, and the last at age 46 from another suicide which also involved him killing his wife (tangled love affair). I don't know how my mother, who lived to be 84 yrs old carried each of those heartaches everyday. I'm sure she got her will to carry on because of her faith and the children she still had yet to raise (me and my sister). I remember her having many sad and depressing days in my life. Her health wasn't that great either.

As I got older (teens), and not wanting to upset her with saddness, I got the courage to ask her how she got through all the heartache. She wasn't much for words (still too painful for her to talk about years later) and not a religious person, but she managed to say "I trust in the Lord. He will see me through". I accepted her response and just moved on. She died painlessly in her sleep (coma) on September 2, 2007 while holding my hand. It was at that moment, and leading up to her death (several years of alzheimers) that I realized the gravity of her statement, "Trust in the Lord, He will see you through". Yes, He did indeed. HE blessed her with no memories of the heartaches (alzheimers) and a peaceful death. As a witness to her life and to her pain, and finally her death, I now know that there are forces at work, for our good, that give us whatever it is that we need at time to get through. I silently look for it each and every day, as I'm sure you do too, because I long for her presence. I miss her. I just plain and simply miss her. One day at a time, my friend. One day at a time.

nicely stated :)
 
  • #603
I think that you have missed my point. My point was that it's unrealistic of us to expect to see Casey or any other mother constantly crying two months after her child was found dead. It's ridiculous.

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Two months equates to no time at all in grieving for your own child. One year there is still great sadness and a huge feeling of loss. It is totally unrealistic to not be grieving for your child in this time frame. Casey did not take any time to grieve immediately after Caylee's death. From appearances, she actually celebrated. Now, she is incarcerated and you would think that she would be forced to think and absorb the fact that her baby is dead and will never be part of her life again, instead, the only tears seen are for her miserable self. This woman IMO is not capable of feeling any grief, so I guess in a way you are correct in saying it is unrealistic for her to be grieving.
 
  • #604
In order to point to someone else, Casey will have to do the pointing herself. Up until now, on the record, she has only ID'd Zanni but never came up with any real place Zanni ever worked or lived in Orlando or produced anyone who could go on record as even having seen or interacted with Zanni. KC'll have to get on the stand to explain who this kidnapper REALLY was, how she really knew her, and give details as to why she never helped police find this mystery person who took and then killed her child. She'll have to explain why she won't help bring this person to justice, even now--after the fact. The defense can give the police hard time about not tracking down every ZFG in the world, or try to, but the whole time they are doing that, they jury will be sitting feet away from the defendent, the ONE PERSON, who could expalin everything by finally telling the truth, by IDing the real kidnapper, or by producing verifiable evidence that ZFG ever lived, worked or interacted with anyone, including KC and Caylee, in Orlando. The jury won't fault the police for not looking at ZFG's in NYC when KC has never produced one shred of information to prove that ZFG is real. The jury will want that. Casey will have to do it herself. She won't be able to because Zanni, Caylee's Nanny, is a mere figment of KC's warped little brain, a big lie to get her off the hook for murdering her own child, not to mention that she'd be committing legal suicide if she took the stand now to FINALLY tell the truth when it was too late to save her baby and when she's almost never told the truth before in her whole pathetic life. This ain't California and KC ain't OJ or Blake or Spector. She's a pathelogical liar mom who didn't report her baby missing, who got in the way of the police when they tried to find the child and who's baby turned up bagged and dumped beside the road with items from her house. She's goin' down. If she doesn't, there is no justice in the US "justice system."
 
  • #605
Not Ridiculous. I cried constantly for months and months after my 23-year-old son died in Jan. 2006. I still cry every day for him - some days I cry all day. I always will. I expect to be in therapy and on medication for the rest of my life in order to be able to stay alive for my other son - otherwise I be gone now as well. I understand how GA feels and, believe me, he hasn't gotten over it. It's a painful daily struggle. I can barely leave home after over 3 years.

What is ridiculous is to presume to know how someone else deals with the death of a child.

Tiki, if you read my original post and those that followed you would realize that my point was EXACTLY what you said here. It is ridiculous to presume to know how someone else deals with grief. Some people grieve for a long period of time, others for a shorter timeframe.

In my case, I progressed through the grief process in about a week. It was a terrible shock when it happened, unexpected as it was and I cried immediately afterwards and several times that week and then again at the funeral, then just once in a while for a few months afterwards. Four years later, thoughts of my loved one only make me smile. To honor my loved one, I resolved to live my life in the way my love loved one would want me to live it. I have absolute faith in God that we will be together again. We are only temporarily separated for now. We will have ALL of eternity together. I honor the memory of my loved one by living my life to the fullest every single day and doing things I never dreamed I would do such as climbing the Sydney Harbour Bridge, ziplining, rapelling, scuba diving and bobsledding. I never miss an opportunity to help others - from helping an elderly woman, unasked, by repairing her house so it was safe (her floor was rotted through) with my own labor and at my own expense to taking a suicidally depressed friend to the doctor to performing unexpected random acts of kindness for strangers. God has granted me the gift to be there for others at some of the most distressing times of their lives to offer words of comfort and hope. I remember only a week after the funeral, I was trying on shoes at a department store when the lady next to me got a phone call that her grandmother had just died unexpectedly. I knew immediately God had put me in that exact spot to help that lady. I even had the Kleenex the lady needed as she had none and I was able to offer her words of comfort as she dealt with the initial shock. I sat with her for over an hour until she felt able to drive safely to her parents house. It is in doing these things that I feel closest to the person I lost. This is how I honor my loved one and how I know my loved one would want me to live my life. We will be together again, I am certain of it and I look forward to that day. But until that happens, I will honor my loved one by making the most of my life every single day.

I am deeply sorry for your loss.
 
  • #606
Just curious but why wouldn't the defense "leak" information that points to KC's innocence if it exists? I mean he’s so worried about pollution of the jury pool, why wait until the trial to reveal the big story that will make everyone finally understand her innocence?

Either he doesn't know what his defense is going to be yet, LOL, or more likely, he wants to spring his theory on the jury AND the prosecution so the prosecution won't have time in advance to disprove it or find witnesses to disprove it. IMHO
 
  • #607
Tiki, if you read my original post and those that followed you would realize that my point was EXACTLY what you said here. It is ridiculous to presume to know how someone else deals with grief. Some people grieve for a long period of time, others for a shorter timeframe.

In my case, I progressed through the grief process in about a week. It was a terrible shock when it happened, unexpected as it was and I cried immediately afterwards and several times that week and then again at the funeral, then just once in a while for a few months afterwards. Four years later, thoughts of my loved one only make me smile. To honor my loved one, I resolved to live my life in the way my love loved one would want me to live it. I have absolute faith in God that we will be together again. We are only temporarily separated for now. We will have ALL of eternity together. I honor the memory of my loved one by living my life to the fullest every single day and doing things I never dreamed I would do such as climbing the Sydney Harbour Bridge, ziplining, rapelling, scuba diving and bobsledding. I never miss an opportunity to help others - from helping an elderly woman, unasked, by repairing her house so it was safe (her floor was rotted through) with my own labor and at my own expense to taking a suicidally depressed friend to the doctor to performing unexpected random acts of kindness for strangers. God has granted me the gift to be there for others at some of the most distressing times of their lives to offer words of comfort and hope. I remember only a week after the funeral, I was trying on shoes at a department store when the lady next to me got a phone call that her grandmother had just died unexpectedly. I knew immediately God had put me in that exact spot to help that lady. I even had the Kleenex the lady needed as she had none and I was able to offer her words of comfort as she dealt with the initial shock. I sat with her for over an hour until she felt able to drive safely to her parents house. It is in doing these things that I feel closest to the person I lost. This is how I honor my loved one and how I know my loved one would want me to live my life. We will be together again, I am certain of it and I look forward to that day. But until that happens, I will honor my loved one by making the most of my life every single day.

I am deeply sorry for your loss.

Re my bold, based on my advanced years and woefully vast personal experience, I respectfully suggest that you are in a very, very tiny minority. This is further proven by your courageous and determined selflessness in the aftermath of your loss. If Casey had shown any of your same strengths, particularly your unselfishness and compassion for others, I'd be more willing to attribute her lack of emotion to personal and spiritual strength. But she has not. Therefore, your wonderful post does not change my opinion of her one iota, although it certainly makes me admire you. :blowkiss:

PS--There is more to grieving than tears. Some of us will fight against crying as if our own life depends upon looking strong, but the other indicators of grief and depression are present and unmistakeable in us. But not in Casey.
 
  • #608
They don't have the burden of having to prove who did it, only that Casey didn't. I think they have a strong case, with the evidence shown so far. The air samples only show their MAY have been a human decomposition event in the trunk. My research proved to me that it takes 90 days to get the "black" band of death and the lighter colored band shows up on live samples, not dead humans. So that will go no where. It likely came from Cindy since the live sample I read about was in his 50s, and had a lighter shade "death" band. The maggots will likely show feeding on the cheese and meat package remnants left in the garbage. I'm sure they have the test results from the little critters but are holding back that "bombshell".

There are no prints at all at the scene, so far, no matching sticker or backing, unless they are keeping that out of their reports and photos. X number of people jog or walk down that dead end street and X number of neighborhood children play on the school playground during the summer days. The spot is only 400' from the corner with regular traffic so she would have to have opportunity during the night hours. There are no night hours not accounted for or that place her there after dark through phone records or witness. The area had been cleared, prior, according to police records. The meter reader first says grey bag and white dome when it later became dome covered by black bag. Must depose him to get the answers there.

Police failed to follow up on all with the name ZG, including the one who was paying a ticket for failure to have a valid driver's license and disappeared of the face of the earth, in the middle of a kidnapping-murder investigation. No, Casey couldn't have been the one to make the one payment because she was under heavy guard and media cameras.

She couldn't safely report her daughter missing under threat of her life and that of her families. She was under employ by someone using the name universal, although not THE Universal. The email address was fake but LE didn't follow up on tracking the IP it came from. The other email addresses were not fake and those weren't tracked either. JMH was never found and questioned although he does exist. (In case anyone doubts the possibility of more than one JH or ZG, there are at least 25 people with the same first, middle and last name as my husband in the Sec. of State records with valid driver's licenses,) The phone number listed as ** on this date was really coming from ZGs phone, using a service that spoofs phone numbers. This person also hacked the myspace and deleted only the messages given relevant to this case, as shown by the missing block of dates in the comments.

She carefully followed orders during that month, working at fusion, etc. She managed to appear normal enough for the photos placed in evidence with the help of alcohol and weed, not being a big user, it didn't take much. She used the officers to gain access to Universal then suddenly stopped and told them the truth when she got to where she expected to see someone that should have had an office there but didn't. She now knew there were things she wasn't aware of. I wonder if this whole thing started because she was expected to pay for childcare and couldn't come up with enough money. The 2 food receipts totalling over $200 within 3 days for 3 people that should have had some supplies on hand already made me wonder if she bought items then took it back to get cash for the check.

Now, if the forensics show up to match the duct tape and bags to the lot and roll from the Anthony home, that will change the strategy but at this point, there isn't a very strong case at all. One thing I think will come up as important is her momma doll in the car, and the missing shoes. IF Casey killed her she surely would have put her doll with her. The only reason it would have been left behind is if someone took her forcefully, unless Caylee was comfortable leaving her doll. But didn't Cindy say she always took her with? If so, this would look suspicious sitting on the back seat for the next month. A mother anxiously waiting for the return of her daughter would leave everything just as her daughter left it, just as her room was left untouched.

Again, they don't have to prove who did it, that is LE's job. They only have to show she didn't. There is too much showing she had a loving relationship with her daughter for the SA to go with the story that she was jealous and resented her daughter, then killed her in a fit of rage. Even an accident isn't a strong plan since the dogs didn't hit on the home or the pool. What they hit on in the yard, even trunk could be blood from a normal accident that was decomposing. I've cut my finger doing lawn work and getting in and out of the trunk.

There has been signs of grief and missing her daughter, shown in TL's statement for one. All we have seen is the few minutes here and there on camera. There are 24 hours in a day. I tend to not show my emotion, when I can help in, in the middle of a conversation. I can't always control it when I am alone though.


Problem: DEAD BODY SMELL ... by all parties involved.

If she was returning things to get cash from the check she wrote for the items, Target keeps that information... and no, she couldn't use a fake name, they use a license and have Amy's check information.

How do you know that LE did not check out all ZG's in the reasonable area?

The doll means nothing. The women killed her child. Why would she care if the doll is with her body or not? If anything, a kidnapper would grab the doll as well just to keep the kid quiet.

Why would a "stranger" bury her so close to her home with all of the searches going on. The only reasonable explaination is that she was buried before the searches started. Now why would the kidnapper kill during that 32 days if KC is following her directions so well?

If it went down like you say, the minute her daughter turned up dead, she'd be screaming out this information as loud as she could, she wouldn't be rotting in jail.


Everything you write is possible, but nothing about your scenerio is REASONABLE and nothing in this case points to anyone else but her.
 
  • #609
Problem: DEAD BODY SMELL ... by all parties involved.

If she was returning things to get cash from the check she wrote for the items, Target keeps that information... and no, she couldn't use a fake name, they use a license and have Amy's check information.

How do you know that LE did not check out all ZG's in the reasonable area?

The doll means nothing. The women killed her child. Why would she care if the doll is with her body or not? If anything, a kidnapper would grab the doll as well just to keep the kid quiet.

Why would a "stranger" bury her so close to her home with all of the searches going on. The only reasonable explaination is that she was buried before the searches started. Now why would the kidnapper kill during that 32 days if KC is following her directions so well?

If it went down like you say, the minute her daughter turned up dead, she'd be screaming out this information as loud as she could, she wouldn't be rotting in jail.


Everything you write is possible, but nothing about your scenerio is REASONABLE and nothing in this case points to anyone else but her.

Precisely. If KC were innocent she would be singing like a canary now that her daughter is dead. She wouldn't be waiting to tell her story when her life depends upon it. Instead, if KC had her way, she wouldn't even show her face at the hearings because she doesn't want to put down the pork rinds long enough to face what SHE has done.
 
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What attorney would allow her to ever say anything if any of the ZG is true, after the way LE has addressed this issue so far? On day one they said she was lying and their is no ZG. Did they ever follow up on the information they got that there was a ZG close to the age Casey said that was connected to a past case involving lewd and licentious behavior with a child under 16? It looks like that person is also connected through work to an adoption agency. Now, I'm not trying to throw suspicion in that direction but it seems like they would have at least checked out the person's whereabouts. But maybe they're holding that back along with the IP of Franck or the others.

Dead body smell? I've said that a few times myself, "It smells like something died in here", or something similar. I've opened a milk jug sitting on the counter for a time and remember thinking I wonder how similar this is to a human decomp smell since cow's milk is close enough to human that most babies can drink it. I don't think there was milk in the garbage though. The maggot evidence would show once and for all what was being consumed in their. Why would they hold that back for 8 months? Even if maggot study took 6 months, they're overdue. Oh, I forgot, the SA can't force the FBI to send things on just because the defense wants it.

Why is it not reasonable that a she would trust someone to give her back after the 55 days, by her birthday. (Time from June 15 to her birthday, I believe is 55 days) Why, if she knew the person could no longer be trusted, is it unreasonable to believe a scared young mother might be afraid to go to the police? How often is the child returned safely once the perp knows the police are involved?
 
  • #612
Police failed to follow up on all with the name ZG, including the one who was paying a ticket for failure to have a valid driver's license and disappeared of the face of the earth, in the middle of a kidnapping-murder investigation. No, Casey couldn't have been the one to make the one payment because she was under heavy guard and media cameras.

You bring up many points. I'm not sure what you're referring to here with ZG paying for a ticket, though. I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just saying I don't recall reading anything about that...so many documents! I don't really want to go digging...do you have a link to more information about that? If you don't have that readily available, it's okay, don't go digging for me. Curiosity, you know:)
Thank you!
flourish:couch:
 
  • #613
I think it is rather presumptuous to assume that there is ONLY one way for a parent to deal with the grief of losing a child or that if they don't deal with it over a long period of time then they didn't love the child. Grief comes in many forms and lasts for varying amounts of time depending upon the specific individuals and the specific situation. Many, many factors come into play in how and how long a parent might grieve the loss of a child including how the child died, cultural/societal issues and religious beliefs and practices. I would never consider it appropriate to criticize any parent for how they grieve nor for how long they grieved.


*my bold.
i don't really think i made any presumptions in my post.
i stated my shock and disbelief at your beliefs. nothing more.
however if you cannot accept that i was merely speaking the truth about my own feelings, or if i was in some way, perhaps as a by-product of making manifest my emotions and thoughts, behaving in a presumptuous fashion then clearly we are equally guilty of this as you posted the following:

I think that you have missed my point. My point was that it's unrealistic of us to expect to see Casey or any other mother constantly crying two months after her child was found dead. It's ridiculous.


in your post to tiki you use the term 'loved one' so i can't be positive .... but i cannot imagine anyone would address tiki on this subject and in a comparative fashion if they had not been in the same position as tiki as nothing can ever compare to the loss of a child so i fear you too must have suffered this terrible fate. i am horribly sorry for your loss princess rose and do not wish to argue w/ you so i'll leave this matter and not engage in debate upon it again.
if i am wrong in my assessment, i apologize.


tiki, please know that you and yours are in my heart and in my prayers.
 
  • #614
God Bless you Tiki. The death of a child is the worst to recover from, if one ever does. My mother, now deceased almost 1 1/2 yrs, buried 3 sons in her lifetime. One at the tender age of 5 who died from a head injury from falling off a bike, the second at the age of 26 from suicide, and the last at age 46 from another suicide which also involved him killing his wife (tangled love affair). I don't know how my mother, who lived to be 84 yrs old carried each of those heartaches everyday. I'm sure she got her will to carry on because of her faith and the children she still had yet to raise (me and my sister). I remember her having many sad and depressing days in my life. Her health wasn't that great either.

As I got older (teens), and not wanting to upset her with saddness, I got the courage to ask her how she got through all the heartache. She wasn't much for words (still too painful for her to talk about years later) and not a religious person, but she managed to say "I trust in the Lord. He will see me through". I accepted her response and just moved on. She died painlessly in her sleep (coma) on September 2, 2007 while holding my hand. It was at that moment, and leading up to her death (several years of alzheimers) that I realized the gravity of her statement, "Trust in the Lord, He will see you through". Yes, He did indeed. HE blessed her with no memories of the heartaches (alzheimers) and a peaceful death. As a witness to her life and to her pain, and finally her death, I now know that there are forces at work, for our good, that give us whatever it is that we need at time to get through. I silently look for it each and every day, as I'm sure you do too, because I long for her presence. I miss her. I just plain and simply miss her. One day at a time, my friend. One day at a time.
Thank you for sharing your very well stated story with us. I am sorry for the loss of your dear mother, she was a strong woman of great Faith.
I agree that we somehow are able to go on and live, and handle our losses. It is never easy.

I still say that handling one's own grief, does not include barhopping as KC did though. Yes there are many ways in which we deal with loss, and with grief. But KC has never shown any evidence of grieving that I am aware of. She is too caught up in her own little world and too impressed with herself.
 
  • #615
They don't have the burden of having to prove who did it, only that Casey didn't. I think they have a strong case, with the evidence shown so far. The air samples only show their MAY have been a human decomposition event in the trunk. My research proved to me that it takes 90 days to get the "black" band of death and the lighter colored band shows up on live samples, not dead humans. So that will go no where. It likely came from Cindy since the live sample I read about was in his 50s, and had a lighter shade "death" band. The maggots will likely show feeding on the cheese and meat package remnants left in the garbage. I'm sure they have the test results from the little critters but are holding back that "bombshell".

There are no prints at all at the scene, so far, no matching sticker or backing, unless they are keeping that out of their reports and photos. X number of people jog or walk down that dead end street and X number of neighborhood children play on the school playground during the summer days. The spot is only 400' from the corner with regular traffic so she would have to have opportunity during the night hours. There are no night hours not accounted for or that place her there after dark through phone records or witness. The area had been cleared, prior, according to police records. The meter reader first says grey bag and white dome when it later became dome covered by black bag. Must depose him to get the answers there.

Police failed to follow up on all with the name ZG, including the one who was paying a ticket for failure to have a valid driver's license and disappeared of the face of the earth, in the middle of a kidnapping-murder investigation. No, Casey couldn't have been the one to make the one payment because she was under heavy guard and media cameras.

She couldn't safely report her daughter missing under threat of her life and that of her families. She was under employ by someone using the name universal, although not THE Universal. The email address was fake but LE didn't follow up on tracking the IP it came from. The other email addresses were not fake and those weren't tracked either. JMH was never found and questioned although he does exist. (In case anyone doubts the possibility of more than one JH or ZG, there are at least 25 people with the same first, middle and last name as my husband in the Sec. of State records with valid driver's licenses,) The phone number listed as ** on this date was really coming from ZGs phone, using a service that spoofs phone numbers. This person also hacked the myspace and deleted only the messages given relevant to this case, as shown by the missing block of dates in the comments.

She carefully followed orders during that month, working at fusion, etc. She managed to appear normal enough for the photos placed in evidence with the help of alcohol and weed, not being a big user, it didn't take much. She used the officers to gain access to Universal then suddenly stopped and told them the truth when she got to where she expected to see someone that should have had an office there but didn't. She now knew there were things she wasn't aware of. I wonder if this whole thing started because she was expected to pay for childcare and couldn't come up with enough money. The 2 food receipts totalling over $200 within 3 days for 3 people that should have had some supplies on hand already made me wonder if she bought items then took it back to get cash for the check.

Now, if the forensics show up to match the duct tape and bags to the lot and roll from the Anthony home, that will change the strategy but at this point, there isn't a very strong case at all. One thing I think will come up as important is her momma doll in the car, and the missing shoes. IF Casey killed her she surely would have put her doll with her. The only reason it would have been left behind is if someone took her forcefully, unless Caylee was comfortable leaving her doll. But didn't Cindy say she always took her with? If so, this would look suspicious sitting on the back seat for the next month. A mother anxiously waiting for the return of her daughter would leave everything just as her daughter left it, just as her room was left untouched.

Again, they don't have to prove who did it, that is LE's job. They only have to show she didn't. There is too much showing she had a loving relationship with her daughter for the SA to go with the story that she was jealous and resented her daughter, then killed her in a fit of rage. Even an accident isn't a strong plan since the dogs didn't hit on the home or the pool. What they hit on in the yard, even trunk could be blood from a normal accident that was decomposing. I've cut my finger doing lawn work and getting in and out of the trunk.

There has been signs of grief and missing her daughter, shown in TL's statement for one. All we have seen is the few minutes here and there on camera. There are 24 hours in a day. I tend to not show my emotion, when I can help in, in the middle of a conversation. I can't always control it when I am alone though.


Proof such as she was the last person claiming to see Caylee, she has no phone number or address for a nanny that has been babysitting for two years. She lied to everyone before Caylee went missing about where she was, such as CA saying she hadn't stayed out with Caylee, but her friends saying she partied and spent the night away with Caylee. She stole from her grandmother before Caylee went missing. She claimed to be working at Universal for two years before Caylee went missing, but she was not. I am sure that LE has lots of evidence or they would not be taking this to court. Whether Casey gets away with this like OJ is another story.

As for emotion, the most emotion she has shown was for herself, not for Caylee. In the audio of her phone call home, all she was worried about was getting to talk to Tony. In her videos of the her meeting with the family, she gets upset talking about her freedom, but does not ask how the search for Caylee is going, or if there are any clues.

I only hope that she gets on the stand to tell her side of the story and then is cross-examined.
 
  • #616
What attorney would allow her to ever say anything if any of the ZG is true, after the way LE has addressed this issue so far? On day one they said she was lying and their is no ZG. Did they ever follow up on the information they got that there was a ZG close to the age Casey said that was connected to a past case involving lewd and licentious behavior with a child under 16? It looks like that person is also connected through work to an adoption agency. Now, I'm not trying to throw suspicion in that direction but it seems like they would have at least checked out the person's whereabouts. But maybe they're holding that back along with the IP of Franck or the others.

Dead body smell? I've said that a few times myself, "It smells like something died in here", or something similar. I've opened a milk jug sitting on the counter for a time and remember thinking I wonder how similar this is to a human decomp smell since cow's milk is close enough to human that most babies can drink it. I don't think there was milk in the garbage though. The maggot evidence would show once and for all what was being consumed in their. Why would they hold that back for 8 months? Even if maggot study took 6 months, they're overdue. Oh, I forgot, the SA can't force the FBI to send things on just because the defense wants it.

Why is it not reasonable that a she would trust someone to give her back after the 55 days, by her birthday. (Time from June 15 to her birthday, I believe is 55 days) Why, if she knew the person could no longer be trusted, is it unreasonable to believe a scared young mother might be afraid to go to the police? How often is the child returned safely once the perp knows the police are involved?


with respect:

First Bold. So JB is going to let her stay in jail rather than telling the truth (since her daughter is already dead) just because LE thinks she is guilty?? KC should be screaming it to anyone who would listen. If there is a perp on the loose (that KC trusted enough to return her child but in reality KILLED said child,) no jury would understand why she is not identifing this person.

Second Bold. Odds are that five different individuals and two dogs would not confuse the dead body smell with rotton food, and considering that the car that had the "smell" belonged to a person who's daughter was indeed dead, well 2+2=4.

Third Bold. It is not reasonable for ANY mother, young or not to trust a kidnapper. If she was so afraid to tell the police about the kidnapper, why didn't she scream for her mom to STOP when she called 911? It would make so much sense for her to say, no no no don't call the police, they will kill Caylee.
 
  • #617
imo,

"we don't know how everyone grieves" is lawyer legalese, properly characterized as BS.


we do know a young mother that loses a young child will be heartbroken and we know she will be unable to stifle that emotion, even if she wanted to.

unless of course, she killed the child.

then she might even celebrate.

and she did.
 
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You bring up many points. I'm not sure what you're referring to here with ZG paying for a ticket, though. I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just saying I don't recall reading anything about that...so many documents! I don't really want to go digging...do you have a link to more information about that? If you don't have that readily available, it's okay, don't go digging for me. Curiosity, you know:)
Thank you!
flourish:couch:

I'm sorry, I can't give a direct link because it is on the Orange County Clerk's website and the actual page of each case can't be linked to. The site is here: http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Default.aspxI originally found it through a name search but here is the case number: 08-CT-0002378-W. Do a case number search and enter 2008 CT 002378 W in each appropriate box. Some are saying this is Casey incognito but I don't see how that is possible looking at the big picture.
 
  • #619
aquarianessence said:
What attorney would allow her to ever say anything if any of the ZG is true, after the way LE has addressed this issue so far? On day one they said she was lying and their is no ZG. Did they ever follow up on the information they got that there was a ZG close to the age Casey said that was connected to a past case involving lewd and licentious behavior with a child under 16? It looks like that person is also connected through work to an adoption agency. Now, I'm not trying to throw suspicion in that direction but it seems like they would have at least checked out the person's whereabouts. But maybe they're holding that back along with the IP of Franck or the others.

Dead body smell? I've said that a few times myself, "It smells like something died in here", or something similar. I've opened a milk jug sitting on the counter for a time and remember thinking I wonder how similar this is to a human decomp smell since cow's milk is close enough to human that most babies can drink it. I don't think there was milk in the garbage though. The maggot evidence would show once and for all what was being consumed in their. Why would they hold that back for 8 months? Even if maggot study took 6 months, they're overdue. Oh, I forgot, the SA can't force the FBI to send things on just because the defense wants it.

Why is it not reasonable that a she would trust someone to give her back after the 55 days, by her birthday. (Time from June 15 to her birthday, I believe is 55 days) Why, if she knew the person could no longer be trusted, is it unreasonable to believe a scared young mother might be afraid to go to the police? How often is the child returned safely once the perp knows the police are involved?

with respect:

First Bold. So JB is going to let her stay in jail rather than telling the truth (since her daughter is already dead) just because LE thinks she is guilty?? KC should be screaming it to anyone who would listen. If there is a perp on the loose )that KC trusted enough to return her child but in reality KILLED said child,) no jury would understand why she is not identifing this person.

Second Bold. Odds are that five different individuals and two dogs would not confuse the dead body smell with rotton food, and considering that the car that had the "smell" belonged to a person who's daughter was indeed dead, well 2+2=4.

Third Bold. It is not reasonable for ANY mother, young or not to trust a kidnapper. If she was so afraid to tell the police about the kidnapper, why didn't she scream for her mom to STOP when she called 911? It would make so much sense for her to say, no no no don't call the police, they will kill Caylee.

It does make sense if, at first she thought she could trust this person to eventually give her back. And, yes, it is possible that was a human decomp smell in the trunk. But the "facts" only state that it MAY be. Even if it was, Casey left her car on more than one occasion, running out of gas, etc.

Many keep saying nothing about this case makes sense. Maybe that is because it doesn't, the way it is being hypothesized, and some important facts are being overlooked or ignored. Why do you suppose we have seen nothing in the docs of LE questioning the family about this supposed fight so violent that Casey left and killed Caylee over? There is so much gossip and speculation that is being stated as fact.
 
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So the defence have a cunning plan?

So cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel?

KC sits in jail for a year or more and keeps her mouth shut. She gives out no information that can be verified, but rather speaks in code that LE could get clues from if they tried harder? Mean while, her child is brutally murdered, and the killer is free to strike again. KC’s entire circle of friends and family is distraught (to the point of suicide in the case of GA), and many lives are shattered and ruined.

KC and her defence can and will reveal all, and prove her innocence, but not just yet?

Good Plan!
 
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