Defense What is their strategy? #1

[3doglady]

I know. I didn't watch any of that trial, and honestly didn't keep much up on it, so, seeing LB in action the other day was kind of shocking.

I have not watched many trials but Linda Baden did not impress me in the Spector trial at all. All reports were that the jurors were bored with her. ONE juror voted not guilty, resulting in a mistrial. In interviews after the trial he seemed "off". Unfortunately all it takes is one juror. I thought it was a slam dunk case against PS, but he was a celebrity in CA.

 

[Sustained]

Can someone explain to me how lawyers can practice all over the country in any state they want ? LBK, for example, is from New York, and we know now that she has been involved in cases in California and Florida. Once you pass the bar in one state, is there reciprocity in other states ?

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Can someone explain to me how lawyers can practice all over the country in any state they want ? LBK, for example, is from New York, and we know now that she has been involved in cases in California and Florida. Once you pass the bar in one state, is there reciprocity in other states ?

Some states offer reciprocity.

Florida does not.

 

[Capri]

Some states offer reciprocity.

Florida does not.

So how does that work, then?

 

[MiraclesHappen]

So how does that work, then?

Lawyers can cross state lines on a per trial basis. They cannot set up shop.

They are "sponsored" by a lawyer from the state where the trial occurs.

The visiting attorney is said to be trying the case "pro hoc vici":blowkiss:

 

[Where's Andre]

There is a third option which I just posted on another thread. He will Furhmanize the case vis a vis the meter reader, the sexual abuse allegations, and any other BS he can pile on to erect a smoke screen and befuddle the jury.

Interesting idea about the MR. Were he an amateur sleuth, it would follow that he might show up in the forums. I guess proper Furhmanization would take a smoking gun like him using the moral equivelant the N word when saying he hadn't and being a member of the He-man Woman-hater's Club.

I think it's a pretty big stretch, unless the evidence from the dump site doesn't support that the body was there the whole time.

 

[Sammiejam]

Cindy & Casey in jail house conversation. When we get Caylee back, you will be free to talk about what happened, don't you think?

Casey was stumped and struggled for words. Finally, as always, she threw that responsibility to the kidnapper(s). Oh yes, as a group, they are always so ready to sit down and explain. In fact, they should have their own talk show. Further, she did use the word "exactly". Yes, they will go into exactly how, where, what and why they perpetrated this crime. Then we will know, she said.

At least, in that moment and for all purposes, Cindy found out that her daughter would never have anything to say about herself in this matter. No descriptions, no details, no nothing, even when exonerated by the return safe and whole of Caylee. Since she could no longer claim, "I can't talk about my legal defense, Mom!", how to justify this permanent & eternal silence?

I guess we'll just have to mark this down as words are unnecessary because, "I'm just like you, Mom."

Very good point Tuba!

That particular conversation was one that stuck in my mind. There was something so... wrong/weird/strange... about it but I could not put my finger on exactly what it was. Your comment made me think and now I realise what it was. You are right, she struggled with what to say. Her conciousness of guilt was SHINING like a beacon because she knew that if or when Caylee was found she ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT be free to talk about what happened.

She couldnt even glibly (spelling?) agree because her mind went immediately to the murder/ dumping, so she was stumped at the question and she got tongue tied.


I sure hope at trial all these little things come out...

 

[Pedrosmom]

I am really quite surprised that no real big hitters have stepped up to the plate in KC's defense. It makes me think that most feel this is a dead bang loser of a case. Big hitters don't want to have too many of them on their record (State v. Peterson) or they get a reputation. I think there's a lot of "bigger" hitters out there that are staying away from this case for the sole reason that it cannot be won in an acquittal. I give LB a lot of credit, but then again, she hasn't been privy to all of the evidence yet. This team of lawyers will change over and over again prior to this trial as the evidence slowly leaks.

 

[Bobby62]

Personally, I don't think Casey has any intention of spending years behind bars...which is what a plea deal will most likely involve. I truly believe she thinks she's going to walk and that she'll be able to manipulate the jury with her lies just as she's been able to do with friends and family all her life. I think the time she is currently spending in jail is tolerable to her because she thinks that after she hoodwinks the jury and gets out...she'll be rich and famous with book, movie and TV specials. Considering the press the defense is getting, I also don't see that they are going to push her to a deal unless there is substantial evidence pointing specifically to her...and even then, who knows? JMO, but with what I've seen of her and read about her past...I just don't see Casey agreeing to a plea unless it's for nominal jail time.

When the SA offered the deal before, I was under the assumption that it was LWOP in exchange for invasive full disclosure. They now have tons more evidence so I canot see them offering her nominal time. We are not even sure if anothr deal has been put on the table. Drinking, eating out, partying, sleeping in her own bed, driving, dating, deciding when she eats and showers, Christmas shopping, etc. is all through for her. She will never again breathe freedom in the air.

The only thing she needs to wonder about is how much embarrassing information and photos will the public eventually learn of. And how long her mom will pretend to support her. And lastly, she should be concerned with how badly and often she will be beaten when she is transferred to her final residence.

 

[Clock's Tickin]

This is one of those defense cases where, even if you win, you lose. It has to be a rough job to defend murderers, rapists, terrorists, etc. Your job is to try to keep the freedom for those who least deserve it, and for some who may actually be a danger to the public you release them into. I think JB did fall for KC...hook, line, and sinker. I think she chose him over her church pastor much like her desperation to speak to Tony over her family in that first phone call. I think only now is JB beginning to see where the KC train is headed. It's a long line of track with a lot of missing crossties. I'd HATE to be in his shoes!

 

[sumbunny]

Why do I get the sinking feeling JB ((and casey))will be throwing the A's under the bus?

When I heard the Anthony's wanted immunity, my first fear was, that GA and CA are going to take the rap for the murder if they get immunity!

Did anyone else have that feeling?

 

[whiteangora]

Why do I get the sinking feeling JB ((and casey))will be throwing the A's under the bus?

When I heard the Anthony's wanted immunity, my first fear was, that GA and CA are going to take the rap for the murder if they get immunity!

Did anyone else have that feeling?

No way, never. Cindy is exactly like her daughter only in a different shell.
jmo

 

[Garnan]

I have a question, and I'm being completely earnest. My belief for the few *snerk* years I've been on the planet, is that a defense attorney's job is to see to it that their client receives competent representation and a fair trial and isn't completely railroaded, NOT to get them off at all costs.

Am I wrong?

I've seen many posts that speculate as to what Jose will do/say to get his client off, but my understanding of the roll of the defense attorney is that they're appointed/hired to make sure that their client's constitutional rights are upheld, not that they pull out all of the stops to ensure that the client is let off of the hook for the crime that they've commited.

Again, am I wrong?

I'm sure you'll all think that I'm stupid, I've just never understood this.

You're not from around here are you? Bless your heart.

 

[RobsanX]

I have a question, and I'm being completely earnest. My belief for the few *snerk* years I've been on the planet, is that a defense attorney's job is to see to it that their client receives competent representation and a fair trial and isn't completely railroaded, NOT to get them off at all costs.

Am I wrong?

I've seen many posts that speculate as to what Jose will do/say to get his client off, but my understanding of the roll of the defense attorney is that they're appointed/hired to make sure that their client's constitutional rights are upheld, not that they pull out all of the stops to ensure that the client is let off of the hook for the crime that they've commited.

Again, am I wrong?

I'm sure you'll all think that I'm stupid, I've just never understood this.

There are limits to what a lawyer can present in court. The judge should be approving any evidence and theories before the juries hear it...

 

[PGWodehouse]

Damage control. He is distancing himself, de-personalizing. JB used to say that KC is innocent.

I suspect that he was completely taken in by KC, that Caylee was alive, that Caylee was kidnapped and, LE were over-aggressively framing KC.
I think the discovery of the remains was a complete shock to JB and his new team came to his rescue -- he is now distancing himself so he acts in KC's defense but ready for the other shoe to fall.

He knows and he knows what he is up against.

Wow! That never occurred to me. I always assumed he knew Caylee was dead all along and that Casey was a liar and murderer.

I think I overestimated Baez'e intelligence. Who'd have thought THAT was possible? :waitasec:

 

[Brini]

KC IS innocent! Elvis told me so, personally!

 

[Star12]

JB keeps on yammering about "the rest of the story" and "you guys don't even know half" of the story.

Caylee is dead; obviously murdered. ME says so. So somebody did it - it was no accident.

JB is an officer of the court. If he believes someone other than his client murdered this child, is he not then legally obligated to inform the court?

Is he not morally obligated to find the true killer and is he not ethically bound to find justice for Caylee and vindicate his client?

JB is obstructing justice more than CA & GA have ever done. Wasting resources by asking for evidence he doesn't bother to pay for and pick up, frivolous motions and hearings in which he knows he has no chance of prevailing. Whining like a baby trying to insinuate himself into the investigation where he has no business. Wanting to be present at the crime scene as the investigators are doing their work - not just himself, but LKB HL, and who knows how many others he wanted to go in and trample over the site. Gathering his own soil samples from the Anthony's home. W#anting to conduct a second autopsy on the child's remains and then arguing that if he doesn't get photos, etc. of the crime scene that it will delay that autopsy and keep the family from being able to conduct their funeral. How arrogant and unprofessional he is!

His story about the "rest of the story" seems to be sheer fabrication from his client - A known liar of the greatest magnitude. Is JB bound to believe Casey's lies? Would it not serve his purpose more to quietly go to the prosecution and say "look here, or investigate this" rather than further this charade about the "rest of the story"?

If there was some sort of an abduction with threats of harm to the Anthonys and/or Caylee (with the child being murdered as a result), it seems to me his best action would have been to have his client inform the investigators, rather than eating brownies and letting his client hide from her family at his office day after day and subjecting the GP to their anguish, with the resultant media circus.

I am just amazed.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

What's even more silly about JB's statement re 'the whole story', is that Todd B. stated recently that Zanny and her sister took Caylee at Blanchard Park. (the 30 day script story). So what part of the story is secret? Since his client is being villified in the press, why not tell the whole story now? It defies logic. And who exactly is going to confirm this story? It seems as if KC's friends have all distanced themselves from her and given statements in favor of the prosecution?

 

[Pattymarie]

In the interest of the common good of her parents, the community of Orlando, the state of Florida, the millions who have followed this case and most of all, little Caylee, I think JB ought to advise his client to confess, tell the whole truth about what happened and accept her fate. That would be justice for all.

 

[Valrico Analyzer]

In the interest of the common good of her parents, the community of Orlando, the state of Florida, the millions who have followed this case and most of all, little Caylee, I think JB ought to advise his client to confess, tell the whole truth about what happened and accept her fate. That would be justice for all.

Pattymarie, that is impossible. To do that, it would require COURAGE HONOR and INTESTINAL FORTITUDE. And if you took the entire defense team, defendants, experts, etc and put them thru a sausage stuffing machine, you couldn't make even one sausage. Great thought tho....