Dellen Millard: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories

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  • #861
Interesting he wouldn't speak to investigators during interrogation but will speak to reporters, and why? Because he has had eight months now to go over the evidence and concoct a cockamamie story where he believes he can place the blame onto someone else.

Quoting myself here and to simplify for those who have failed to understand my meaning in post 831. Let me just add (bold) to what I also stated above in a previous post differently worded.

"Because he has had eight months now to go over the evidence and concoct a cockamamie story where he believes he can place the blame onto someone else... should a reporter question him and he slips up or decides to answers questions regarding this crime of murder, forcible confinement and theft under in which he is being accused of. HTH and MOO.

From my post #844
Certainly he is aware on the articles in the MSM regarding him and this case and the numerous questions people are speculating about. He had now had many months to to concoct answers to fit those speculations.
 
  • #862
Interesting he wouldn't speak to investigators during interrogation but will speak to reporters, and why? Because he has had eight months now to go over the evidence and concoct a cockamamie story where he believes he can place the blame onto someone else.

Quoting myself here and to simplify for those who have failed to understand my meaning in post 831. Let me just add (bold) to what I also stated above in a previous post differently worded.

"Because he has had eight months now to go over the evidence and concoct a cockamamie story where he believes he can place the blame onto someone else... should a reporter question him and he slips up or decides to answers questions regarding this crime of murder, forcible confinement and theft under in which he is being accused of. HTH and MOO.

From my post #844
Certainly he is aware on the articles in the MSM regarding him and this case and the numerous questions people are speculating about. He had now had many months to to concoct answers to fit those speculations.

I completely understand what you are trying to say Swede, but I believe even if he had spoken as soon as he was arrested, people would still be saying he had all week to concoct a story.

Personally I didn't hear any place in his 'story' or interview that had him placing the blame on anyone else. And it doesn't seem to matter how much time he has had to concoct a story, he didn't tell it to the reporter. Or perhaps he did and the court's publication ban prevents them from publishing it.

Regardless, everyone will believe what they want to believe and the truth will come out in court when each side presents their case for the jury.
 
  • #863
I completely understand what you are trying to say Swede, but I believe even if he had spoken as soon as he was arrested, people would still be saying he had all week to concoct a story.

Personally I didn't hear any place in his 'story' or interview that had him placing the blame on anyone else. And it doesn't seem to matter how much time he has had to concoct a story, he didn't tell it to the reporter. Or perhaps he did and the court's publication ban prevents them from publishing it.

Regardless, everyone will believe what they want to believe and the truth will come out in court when each side presents their case for the jury.

BBM
You're right. And yes the truth will come out in court and that is where we will hear the blame game I suspect. By one or the other or by both. Of course unless the evidence fits the actual murderer. Here's to a year of waiting for justice for a man and family who didn't deserve what happened to them and in such a horribly tragic fashion. What a nightmare. MOO.

Rest in peace Tim.
 
  • #864
I completely understand what you are trying to say Swede, but I believe even if he had spoken as soon as he was arrested, people would still be saying he had all week to concoct a story.

Personally I didn't hear any place in his 'story' or interview that had him placing the blame on anyone else. And it doesn't seem to matter how much time he has had to concoct a story, he didn't tell it to the reporter. Or perhaps he did and the court's publication ban prevents them from publishing it.

Regardless, everyone will believe what they want to believe and the truth will come out in court when each side presents their case for the jury.

I AGREE " let the TRUTH" come out in Court...both Crown and DM & MS can have their chance.....BUT>>>JMHO they obviously Have as Rickey Riccardo says in the show....ILOVE LUCY...."you got a LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO !"

JMHO feelings back to you Jubalee ..this is my person TAKE on DM saying he is Innocent NOW to reporter.....I do not feel it is him talking now that concerns me....anyone can say "Hey I am innocent.....BUT if someone is truly Innocent " I " would think they would be screaming...to lawyer let me EXPLAIN I do not want to sit in solitary confinement for YEARS whenI am INNOCENT....I want OUT OF HERE NOW....and talk talk talk about whatever Happened to be set free....JMHO ...I hard to understand an Innocent MAN not chirping his face off to get out.....robynhood.
 
  • #865
I AGREE " let the TRUTH" come out in Court...both Crown and DM & MS can have their chance.....BUT>>>JMHO they obviously Have as Rickey Riccardo says in the show....ILOVE LUCY...."you got a LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO !"

JMHO feelings back to you Jubalee ..this is my person TAKE on DM saying he is Innocent NOW to reporter.....I do not feel it is him talking now that concerns me....anyone can say "Hey I am innocent.....BUT if someone is truly Innocent " I " would think they would be screaming...to lawyer let me EXPLAIN I do not want to sit in solitary confinement for YEARS whenI am INNOCENT....I want OUT OF HERE NOW....and talk talk talk about whatever Happened to be set free....JMHO ...I hard to understand an Innocent MAN not chirping his face off to get out.....robynhood.


Maybe he is screaming that to his lawyer, but as you know, trial is still quite a ways off. Are you suggesting that his lawyer should speak publicly about the details of the case and jeopardize his client's future because some people are of the opinion that that is what an innocent person would do? How then to appease the people who think that if he is innocent that he should keep his mouth shut and wait for the crown to present their evidence? If it were as simple to properly and truly determine a person's guilt or innocence by such basic tests as how they react to being accused, life would be much easier. But in truth, different people can react differently to the same situation, and just because one person might react one way does not that mean that everyone who does not react that way is lying. Which to me, is why it is important to wait and judge the evidence in court, and not rush to judgment over what has been posted in the court of public opinion.
 
  • #866
From what I recall, he did state his innocence at the beginning, through his council. I fully recall DP stating that his client is 100 percent innocent, and it was announced publicly by council for both defendants that they would be pleading not guilty, so to say that they did not proclaim their innocence until now is an exaggeration.

You say that anything said after numerous opportunities to tell his story is detrimental and viewed negatively, but what is the optimal number of opportunities when one should speak out? Somewhere in between instantly giving the police words that they will use against you and the time when the public must think you're a liar for waiting too long? There must be some sweet number of opportunities that hits the marker for being sincere and believable, since surely protesting too much or too quickly is also a marker of guilt just as protesting too late is.

Now I hear you say 'why now?', but I seem to recall many people here saying 'why not now?' all along. People wanted to hear his words, for DM himself to say he didn't do it, but now that he has obliged everyone and said it, now everyone wants him to have said it months earlier from what it seems to me.

I'm not sure how we can classify one interview by DM as showing an ego. MS said almost as much during the interview with Molly Hayes where he didn't talk; he also gets visits from him mom and misses his GF, he even talked about how people recognize his name in jail from what I recall. That to me shows more ego than the words DM was quoted as saying in his interview.

I think the ego you are attributing to DM is really just the fact that the media has written articles about everything from his childhood to his grandparents to publishing photos of his ex, and yet MSM have no interest in any stories about MS from what I have seen. That has nothing to do with either man's ego from what I can tell, since it's not like DM is planting the stories in the media about himself. And I doubt it is part of either of their strategies, unless MS's close relative who was named as one of the 'top 30 under 30 in media' recently is using her connections to ensure plenty of negative DM stories in the media and no MS stories at all.

Just my opinions and observations.

Any uninvolved/innocent person would be able, via his own "story" or thru his counsel, be able to convince the Crown, when benchmarked against evidence.

Not only has that not happened, but neither has bail been requested.

In an average case about an average crime(from jaywalking to homicide) there could be, upon investigation, several likely suspects, justifications, etc.

However, to keep the example simple, understandable and manageable, lets use 4 suspects.

When doing the legwork, research,alibi, witness and suspect interviews it weeds out 2.

The other two begin to look more likely as perps as interviews continue and more evidence is compared. At a point it becomes clear that one of the two isn't the right person and is released. Now we are down to one, and as more evidence comes in, it indicates his involvement.

He says he didn't do it, the evidence says he did, he pleads not guilty.
He can have a bail hearing but if he does present a case for bond, it may implicate him. So his lawyer has an initial strategy to "sit tight" a few weeks/months and let's see what the Crown has, thinking it won't be much if anything and we can get you dismissed as a suspect or bail or until pretrial and a Judge "sees" they have the wrong man and sets you free.

Unfortunately for the suspect, evidence is stronger and now the only hope is "we get a soft jury."

There is a huge difference in an innocent man accused of a crime and a man involved, hoping to be found not guilty in a court of law.

I know how hard it can be dealing with the DA/Crown on a case like this. They usually won't take ifs and buts, and evidence has to be strong just to convince the DA/Crown to arraign.

Also "his story" has been "told" many times by now in several judicial venues, surely someone beside him and DP would buy in to his innocence eh?
 
  • #867
Any uninvolved/innocent person would be able, via his own "story" or thru his counsel, be able to convince the Crown, when benchmarked against evidence.

Not only has that not happened, but neither has bail been requested.

<rsbm>

Although that's nice to believe, history has shown us that isn't always the case. People have spent years behind bars until something happens and the true guilty person is found or until evidence proving innocence is finally found.

The subject of bail has been brought up many times here. But what is the point in requesting bail and presenting evidence that may or may not implicate him, if the chance of obtaining it is practically nil? It's very rare in Ontario for someone accused of 1st degree murder to get bail. One of the biggest causes of the overcrowding in Ontario jails is the broken bail system. Crime isn't up, it's just that more and more people are being denied bail or the conditions are so restrictive that they end up right back in jail waiting for trial. If you can't get bail for using a stolen credit card, why risk asking for it on a murder charge?

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/09/06/ontarios_bail_system_clogs_courts_and_costs_millions_goar.html

JMO
 
  • #868
HMMM JMO .." what happens if the glove( evidence is so great) fits..the dirt deed????...said it over and over...LOOK AT THE TIMELINE OF EVIDENCE.." swede's....!....and the crown has not begin to show us the goods....IMO...and I never said any Lawyer shall tell the story of DM ...LOL...that was DM lawyer 's words at the beginning...robynhood
 
  • #869
<rsbm>

Although that's nice to believe, history has shown us that isn't always the case. People have spent years behind bars until something happens and the true guilty person is found or until evidence proving innocence is finally found.

The subject of bail has been brought up many times here. But what is the point in requesting bail and presenting evidence that may or may not implicate him, if the chance of obtaining it is practically nil? It's very rare in Ontario for someone accused of 1st degree murder to get bail. One of the biggest causes of the overcrowding in Ontario jails is the broken bail system. Crime isn't up, it's just that more and more people are being denied bail or the conditions are so restrictive that they end up right back in jail waiting for trial. If you can't get bail for using a stolen credit card, why risk asking for it on a murder charge?

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/09/06/ontarios_bail_system_clogs_courts_and_costs_millions_goar.html

JMO

I get your point and of course, I'm looking from a hybrid of USA/CAD justice? as I see both.
In my experience, errors in guilt/sentencing usually depend heavily on eyewitness or questionable witness testimony.
 
  • #870
While it may be rare for those accused of first degree murder to be granted bail, it does happen and, IMO .. is certainly worth a shot by anyone in that position:

All the following (although not all in Ontario) were charged with 1st degree and granted bail:

Mohamed Abdilla Awaleh charged in death of Mahamed (Malik) Farah Khalif

Jacques Delisle charged in the death of his wife, Marie-Nicole Rainville

Blake Lapierre charged in death of Justin Dagenais at a pit party in Garson, Ontario

David Woods, charged in the death of his wife Dorothy Woods

Nick Greco charged in the death of Paul Monette

Unidentified youth charged in the death of York Regional Police Const. Garrett Styles

Brian Malley in the death of Victoria Shachtay

Kristopher Brincheski and Corey Tymchyshyn both granted bail in the death of Chad Davis

From Winnipeg lawyer&#8217;s website:
http://members.shaw.ca/martinglazerlaw/

Unidentified person charged with first degree murder granted bail pending trial in connection with shooting death at hotel bar (2006)
 
  • #871
<rsbm>

Although that's nice to believe, history has shown us that isn't always the case. People have spent years behind bars until something happens and the true guilty person is found or until evidence proving innocence is finally found.

The subject of bail has been brought up many times here. But what is the point in requesting bail and presenting evidence that may or may not implicate him, if the chance of obtaining it is practically nil? It's very rare in Ontario for someone accused of 1st degree murder to get bail. One of the biggest causes of the overcrowding in Ontario jails is the broken bail system. Crime isn't up, it's just that more and more people are being denied bail or the conditions are so restrictive that they end up right back in jail waiting for trial. If you can't get bail for using a stolen credit card, why risk asking for it on a murder charge?

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/09/06/ontarios_bail_system_clogs_courts_and_costs_millions_goar.html

JMO

BBM
I'm glad you used the word history Alethea Dice. In recent years with the progression of science and technology, those factors have helped immensely in investigations of many crimes. From what we know thus far about this case, LE had gathered a number of technological tools which aided them during the very early days of this investigation. Video surveillance possibly from more than one source, burner phone, Tim's cell phone ect.

Someone steals someone else's credit card and uses without the person's permission, that equates to theft which is against the law. IMHO they don't deserve bail. If someone is sitting in jail awaiting trial on murder charges and their defense can bring forth evidence to support non-involvement, serious consideration would be granted and there would be a bail hearing. Why wouldn't DP not try to get bail for DM? He has nothing to lose, only something to gain; freedom. It is JMHO but I believe the evidence against DM's involvement/guilt is obvious. Generally speaking it's a possibility also while defense is examining evidence to prove innocence, he may just discover who the real perps are thus giving a strong case in requesting and receiving bail or charges withdrawn. I would hope if I was to hire a lawyer to work on my behalf/defense and pay them good money, he would also be analyzing the evidence to support my claim of not guilty. As we know, it's up to the prosecution to prove guilt but I sure hope my defense is doing all he can to argue my case and prove my innocence. Therefore I am led to believe the evidence is powerful or defense hasn't done their homework yet. MOO.
 
  • #872
I wish DM or the writer was more precise with details. For example, according to DM he was holding the meeting with the accountant at the hangar but the whole fetching of financial records...where was he fetching financial records from; his current residence, his childhood home, the hangar or possibly his lawyers office? Why would one fetch financial records from a place where a meeting is to be conducted? Why did he feel it necessary for him to be that precise in his explanation? It's not clear as to where the investigators questioned him, did if it was at the hangar, did they see evidence of the crime? Example, TB's truck seats or license plates? As I've suggested previous, he has concocted details to fit the evidence/discovery. Also he stated "he woke up early". We know from others interviewed peoples' statements DM was known to sleep in, arriving at the hangar after noon. (Seems he had not changed that routine). Why not just say that morning he was at the hangar waiting for the accountant to show up for a meeting kwim? Something else I found interesting is, according to reports, DM was tracked for four hours before his arrest. But according to DM it was only two hours after investigators spoke with him, he was rear ended in his vehicle. What was he doing in those four hours when LE were tracking him that lead to his arrest?

When two officers tracked him for four hours, dropped in on him and questioned him that fateful day, then turned around and arrested him two hours later, backed by more than a dozen plain clothed officers with guns drawn that to me makes me confident they arrested one of the right perps. They obviously believe DM posed a huge threat; why else the need for at least a dozen plus officers with guns to arrest one man? Did they know DM was known to carry a gun?

Maybe Archangel would be better able to explain why there would be that many officers to make an arrest. Is this the norm? Sounds to me like LE had all their ducks in order and were ready pounce. The two officers who visited DM two hours earlier was just to positively identify him IMO. This is how MR was arrested also; numerous officers with guns. Looking back at the Russell Williams case, LE asked him to come in for questioning. Why didn't LE apprehend him in the same manner? Could it be they didn't have enough evidence to do such a take down? I believe the boot print put a nail in his coffin for RW so to speak. Because of the way both DM and MS were arrested, it leads me to believe there was more than just a suspicion or questionable evidence; it's as if someone was able to give pertinent information/evidence about the case. Just as TLM had divulged MR's ID to LE.
All JMO.

Snipped from the article and my questions are in parenthesis and bold. HTH.
He woke up early to meet an accountant at his Waterloo Region-based aviation business, Millardair, an empire he inherited from his late father and grandfather.

Millard was fetching financial records for the company (from where?) when two Hamilton police investigators arrived (where?) and started asking questions: His name. His acquaintances. Whether he knew about Bosma&#8217;s disappearance. And about the tattoo on his left wrist that reads &#8220;ambition.&#8221;

It was almost friendly, he recalls. A short while(how long?) later, they thanked him and left.

Two hours later, while he was driving home, Millard says he was rear-ended as he idled at a red light.

When he got out of the car, he saw more than a dozen people &#8212; plain-clothed officers with protective vests &#8212; pointing guns at him.


http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-s...dellen-millard-says-he-didn-t-kill-tim-bosma/

And now we know DM's "ambition" tattoo is on his left wrist. Why do I believe his other tattoo(s) were also ID and just not mentioned? Along with the description of the box, I have to wonder if that was a tactic used by LE just enough to throw DM off but just enough information releasing to get tips. IIRC the business owner said he was wearing a short sleeved orange t-shirt on May 5th. How were those large tattoos not visible? During this latest interview DM pushed his sleeves up revealing his other tattoos. ;) pulling up his orange sleeves, revealing large tattoos across both arms that read &#8220;I am heaven sent&#8221; and &#8220;Don&#8217;t you dare forget.&#8221; Again JMO.
 
  • #873
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Maybe Archangel would be better able to explain why there would be that many officers to make an arrest. Is this the norm? Sounds to me like LE had all their ducks in order and were ready pounce..................................

It isn't unusual in a felony(indictable)arrest such as auto theft/theft over 5k to do a traffic stop with a marked patrol car even if several detectives are following, mainly for the legal ID of authorities, etc.(don't want the suspect running thinking it's a car jack/insurance scam)

However, if the suspect is considered a threat and in the public, other tactics are used to prevent preemptive action by the suspect. Tactics such as an innocuous "bump" in the rear of their car by an unmarked(detective's) car in order to get them out of the car, without arousing suspicion, while flanked in traffic by other unmarked cars and marked patrol cars close. This "contains" the suspect car and insulates/buffers the private vehicles at the intersection/location and allows the marked cars to present themselves quickly so there's no doubt what is happening.

So in summary all felony traffic stops by LE are at gunpoint. However the tactics and manpower are variable to suit the physical situation, location and threat level.
 
  • #874
It isn't unusual in a felony(indictable)arrest such as auto theft/theft over 5k to do a traffic stop with a marked patrol car even if several detectives are following, mainly for the legal ID of authorities, etc.(don't want the suspect running thinking it's a car jack/insurance scam)

However, if the suspect is considered a threat and in the public, other tactics are used to prevent preemptive action by the suspect. Tactics such as an innocuous "bump" in the rear of their car by an unmarked(detective's) car in order to get them out of the car, without arousing suspicion, while flanked in traffic by other unmarked cars and marked patrol cars close. This "contains" the suspect car and insulates/buffers the private vehicles at the intersection/location and allows the marked cars to present themselves quickly so there's no doubt what is happening.

So in summary all felony traffic stops by LE are at gunpoint. However the tactics and manpower are variable to suit the physical situation, location and threat level.

Thank you kindly for the explanation AA. I have to wonder why in the case of R Williams; why wasn't he apprehended in the same fashion? To me it seems LE took a huge risk by asking him to come in for questioning. Personally I do not feel it was because of his career status LE chose to do it that way. I tend to think maybe they didn't have enough evidence on him at that time. By taking a risk I mean he could have committed suicide or fled Canada or worse; taken others lives. Especially since he had access to planes, military vehicles and weapons at his disposal. MOO.
 
  • #875
Swedie, I'm not current on RW and his arrest, but I believe his tires matched tire tracks near the crime scene.

He was likely one of several with those same tires that was asked to come in and talk. I'm not sure how stongly the OPP felt about his probability until he confessed during questioning. Possible reason for the difference in RW/DM?

my guess only.
 
  • #876
Thank you kindly for the explanation AA. I have to wonder why in the case of R Williams; why wasn't he apprehended in the same fashion? To me it seems LE took a huge risk by asking him to come in for questioning. Personally I do not feel it was because of his career status LE chose to do it that way. I tend to think maybe they didn't have enough evidence on him at that time. By taking a risk I mean he could have committed suicide or fled Canada or worse; taken others lives. Especially since he had access to planes, military vehicles and weapons at his disposal. MOO.

Russell Williams was found during a roadside canvass when an officer noticed his tire treads resembled the tracks seen near Jessica's home. All they had at the time was that and his proximity to other crimes and military ties to another victim. While he was being questioned, officers were matching his boots (which he wore and offered during the interview) to the tracks found in the snow by the firepit behind her house. If they had had that evidence earlier, perhaps he would also have been arrested rather than just asked to come in for questioning.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/10/20/15758676.html

Interesting that DM was also questioned before he was arrested. Same situation? Seeing how much matched of the little evidence they had so far?

JMO
 
  • #877
BBM
I'm glad you used the word history Alethea Dice. In recent years with the progression of science and technology, those factors have helped immensely in investigations of many crimes. From what we know thus far about this case, LE had gathered a number of technological tools which aided them during the very early days of this investigation. Video surveillance possibly from more than one source, burner phone, Tim's cell phone ect.

Someone steals someone else's credit card and uses without the person's permission, that equates to theft which is against the law. IMHO they don't deserve bail. If someone is sitting in jail awaiting trial on murder charges and their defense can bring forth evidence to support non-involvement, serious consideration would be granted and there would be a bail hearing. Why wouldn't DP not try to get bail for DM? He has nothing to lose, only something to gain; freedom.

rsbm

FWIW, video surveillance and cell phones have been around since the 80's, as has DNA in criminal investigations.

I'm surprised you feel that someone accused of using someone's credit card (who has not had a trial yet or bail wouldn't be an issue) does not deserve bail. But yet someone charged with murder can and should try for bail.

JMO
 
  • #878
And now we know DM's "ambition" tattoo is on his left wrist. Why do I believe his other tattoo(s) were also ID and just not mentioned? Along with the description of the box, I have to wonder if that was a tactic used by LE just enough to throw DM off but just enough information releasing to get tips. IIRC the business owner said he was wearing a short sleeved orange t-shirt on May 5th. How were those large tattoos not visible? During this latest interview DM pushed his sleeves up revealing his other tattoos. ;) pulling up his orange sleeves, revealing large tattoos across both arms that read “I am heaven sent” and “Don’t you dare forget.” Again JMO.

The other tattoos were visible and were reported in the official suspect description.

1) male white, 6’1” to 6’2”, 170 to 180 lbs, mid 20’s, light to medium short brown hair, unshaven, wearing blue jeans, long sleeve orange shirt and running shoes. The male had several tattoos on his arms. On one of his wrists where a person wears a watch was the word, “Ambition.” There was a box tattooed, framing the outside of the word. Police have researched this tattoo which is not uncommon but the location of it is unique. This male has not been identified as yet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/05/10/tim-bosma-missing-persons_n_3254021.html

What I find curious about the ambition in a box tattoo, is that it is the one that the focus was on. A small word, maybe in a box, on the left wrist. If DM was driving during that test drive as well (do we know this?), one would think it would be difficult to read from the opposite side of the truck. You would have thought the other ones would have been more legible. Maybe he asked DM what it said. :dunno:

JMO
 
  • #879
While it may be rare for those accused of first degree murder to be granted bail, it does happen and, IMO .. is certainly worth a shot by anyone in that position:

All the following (although not all in Ontario) were charged with 1st degree and granted bail:

Mohamed Abdilla Awaleh charged in death of Mahamed (Malik) Farah Khalif

Jacques Delisle charged in the death of his wife, Marie-Nicole Rainville

Blake Lapierre charged in death of Justin Dagenais at a pit party in Garson, Ontario

David Woods, charged in the death of his wife Dorothy Woods

Nick Greco charged in the death of Paul Monette

Unidentified youth charged in the death of York Regional Police Const. Garrett Styles

Brian Malley in the death of Victoria Shachtay

Kristopher Brincheski and Corey Tymchyshyn both granted bail in the death of Chad Davis

From Winnipeg lawyer’s website:
http://members.shaw.ca/martinglazerlaw/

Thanks, sillybilly. You sent me off on some interesting reads. Although only 2 are from Ontario, I would like to offer some comments, starting with those two.

Death of Const. Garrett Styles - the accused was a 15 year old who tried to run away, tipping the van onto Styles, and leaving himself a quadriplegic. The charges were at one time reduced to manslaughter, then upgraded again to first degree. I assume the first degree charge is because it was a police officer and all deaths caused to LE are 1st degree. Being a quadriplegic, and considering the circumstances, there isn't a large chance of him being a danger to the public.

Blake Lapierre - His charges were reduced to 2nd degree and his preliminary hearing was last August. What ever happened after that? Has he been given a court date? I couldn't find anything since the preliminary trial started.

Mohamed Abdilla Awaleh - The evidence against him hinged on one not so reliable witness. He was acquitted of the murder charge. His co-accused, who was found guilty, did not receive bail.

Jacques Delisle - a 75 year old retired Quebec Superior Court Judge.

David Woods - bail didn't last long. It was rescinded less than 2 months later.

Nick Greco - 69 years old, drunken argument. Charges downgraded to 2nd degree within 7 months. Found not guilty of 2nd degree, guilty of manslaughter.

Brian Malley - previously with Edmonton Police Services. Investments??? This one's unbelievable.

The last three - drugs and gangs, Zig Zag Crew, HA. Won't bother to comment on these, but is this a normal occurrence in Winnipeg???

JMO
 
  • #880
rsbm

FWIW, video surveillance and cell phones have been around since the 80's, as has DNA in criminal investigations.

I'm surprised you feel that someone accused of using someone's credit card (who has not had a trial yet or bail wouldn't be an issue) does not deserve bail. But yet someone charged with murder can and should try for bail.

JMO

And FWIW Alethea Dice although these devices have been around since the 80's, they were not as abundant or commonly used as they are nowadays. The mid 80's brought forth the discovery of DNA but it was not used in conviction until the late 80's and we know from cases such as PB's how the back log for testing back then was generally four to eight months before results were completed; not so much nowadays. HTH.

BBM Accused, that is the ultimate word in which you chose to use now but not in your post I responded to, so I my explanation clarifies. Your words were claiming the person stole the credit card, not that they were accused of stealing a credit card, there is a difference. I did not read the article you linked, therefore cannot comment on a particular case if it was mentioned in the article; I am speaking based on your own words. You wrote, If you can't get bail for using a stolen credit card, why risk asking for it on a murder charge? For what it's worth, anyone who is entitled to seek bail may as well try it. As I stated; what have they got to lose. So should you have worded it using the word accused, my opinion would have reflected that. Someone who pleads guilty to their charges may still seek for bail while awaiting their sentencing. It is MOO if that is the case, they do not deserves bail. They did the crime and plead guilty. DM is claiming innocent, he is entitled to file for bail. MOO.
 
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