Desiree says Terri had “Extreme hatred for Kyron"

  • #161
I've raised 6 kids and I've said a lot of "stuff" that wouldn't look good in a murder case, but mine are all alive and doing well.

Respectfully snipped by me for space.

But Kyron's not and that's the point.

Sure, all parents express frustration. Some say awful things to their kids (maybe even about them), and the kids end up okay. But when you have a case where someone is missing, things that would otherwise seem somewhat normal, may become clues to something else.
In other words, if a person says, "I hate my wife." Well, it's ugly but it may mean very little. But if said wife suddenly disappears, that statement becomes a vital clue in determining what may have happened to the missing woman.

That being said, I tend to believe that what Terri said about Kyron was not as horrendous as what Desiree claims. She has lost her precious child and so any expression of negativity or frustration about him would surely be viewed as horrid and feel like salt on the wound. I relate to that. But even if what TH said or wrote was relatively mild, I would still view it as part of the puzzle and, with everything else that we know or suspect TH has done or said due to reports, it is just one other thing pointing right to her, like a beacon.
 
  • #162
I guess I would feel better if it didn't appear to me that everything TH has done is "alleged"--Where are the charges for conspiracy in the murder for hire? I'm recalling that Florida case in which the woman was hauled off to the slammer for "hiring" someone (in on the sting) to kill her husband. How does "sexting" add up to child murder? Or emails critical of the child? What proof is there about the origin of the "sexts" and the emails--or the motive of the writer? Then we compound the problem by "taking things all together" to point to certain murder by TH.

I certainly think TH is suspect #1. I'm just not comfortable with aggregating all of the allegations and coming out with certainty. That's why courts have evidence that can be examined and challenged by both sides. Until Kyron is found, all we have to go on are these circumstantial tidbits--and not even the conceptual framework that LE has worked out to hold the bits together. If there is a case against TH or anyone else, LE should and will bring it. If not--where is Kyron?
 
  • #163
I guess I would feel better if it didn't appear to me that everything TH has done is "alleged"--Where are the charges for conspiracy in the murder for hire? I'm recalling that Florida case in which the woman was hauled off to the slammer for "hiring" someone (in on the sting) to kill her husband. How does "sexting" add up to child murder? Or emails critical of the child? What proof is there about the origin of the "sexts" and the emails--or the motive of the writer? Then we compound the problem by "taking things all together" to point to certain murder by TH.

I certainly think TH is suspect #1. I'm just not comfortable with aggregating all of the allegations and coming out with certainty. That's why courts have evidence that can be examined and challenged by both sides. Until Kyron is found, all we have to go on are these circumstantial tidbits--and not even the conceptual framework that LE has worked out to hold the bits together. If there is a case against TH or anyone else, LE should and will bring it. If not--where is Kyron?

I get what you're saying. I remember in the Caylee Anthony case, everything casey did or said was viewed through a prism of the monstrosity of a person who obviously disappeared her own child. Thus, there was no way Caylee could have been relatively well cared for by such a woman. Her photos with Caylee were staged or showed her true evil shining through. No way did she ever love Caylee. She must have been beating her all the time, or renting her out to sex predators. Etc. And there was other speculation about all sorts of things, based on reports, that have not turned out to be true.

Thus, I tend not to immediately grab anything I can get that is reported about TH and take it as the gospel truth. Nevertheless, I take issue with some of your points. First of all, the lack of an arrest for a MFH plot likely means there is not enough evidence for a conviction. It does not mean TH did not do it. Perhaps she was much smarter than the woman in FL who allowed herself to be taped hiring someone to kill her husband.

Second, TH may never face charges for that and it will probably not come in, in a criminal trial for harming Kyron. But such information likely helped hone the investigation into Kyron's disappearance and the mindset of the suspect.

Third, sexting in context has a heck of a lot to do with Kyron's disappearance. As many have said, over and over, when one's child goes missing and has apparently been taken by a stranger, the last thing one thinks of is nasty sex talk with a new guy friend in the weeks after the child disappeared. It makes no sense but it says a lot about the consciousness of the person doing it.

Fourth, the origin of the sexts? Well, Kaine filed legal papers in which he claimed TH wrote these sexts. That could easily be disproven if false and is not something wise counsel files if they lack the proof to back it up. Texts are different from verbal statements. Also, Th did not refute those statements, either via testimony, declaration or through legal arguments of her lawyers. In fact, IIRC, her counsel may have even acknowledged that TH wrote such texts, either by saying they had not received all of them them or complaining about the ones not released. In any event, they never said in their legal arguments, that Kaine was lying about the texts which they should have and could have. Thus, I thin we can safely assume, for purposes of sleuthing, that TH indeed wrote the texts as cited by Kaine.

Fifth, the e-mails. If we are talking about e-mails in which TH expresses extreme hatred of Kyron, you are right. We only have the words of the distraught mother of a missing boy to support the existence of such e-mails. But I think for the most part we are discussing here, whether, if the existence of e-mails expressing some sort of negativity towards Kyron on the part of TH is true, that is part of the picture and possibly goes to a potential motive. I vote yes.

Finally, I have no problem with painting a picture and coming to some conclusions based on things that have not yet been proven in a court of law or even used as the basis of an arrest yet. That's what LE does when investigating a case and that's what we do when sleuthing. As long as we remember that some info may be faulty and that we may not have the proper context for everything, I think we're okay. If we couldn't discuss such things in the manner in which we do, I kind of think there would be little purpose for a site such as Websleuths, IMO. It is just this sort of discussion that has led to the kind of brainstorming that has actually led to websleuth members solving or helping to solve cases. :twocents:
 
  • #164
Respectfully snipped by me for space.

But Kyron's not and that's the point.

Sure, all parents express frustration. Some say awful things to their kids (maybe even about them), and the kids end up okay. But when you have a case where someone is missing, things that would otherwise seem somewhat normal, may become clues to something else.
In other words, if a person says, "I hate my wife." Well, it's ugly but it may mean very little. But if said wife suddenly disappears, that statement becomes a vital clue in determining what may have happened to the missing woman.
That being said, I tend to believe that what Terri said about Kyron was not as horrendous as what Desiree claims. She has lost her precious child and so any expression of negativity or frustration about him would surely be viewed as horrid and feel like salt on the wound. I relate to that. But even if what TH said or wrote was relatively mild, I would still view it as part of the puzzle and, with everything else that we know or suspect TH has done or said due to reports, it is just one other thing pointing right to her, like a beacon.

bbm

ITA with the bolded part gitana1!

The public is not being shown just single isolated statements, emails, sexts, etc...but a plain as day pattern to these incidinets and if you follow them chronologically...they become very significant in the context of a missing child that was last seen by his stepmom.
 
  • #165
One of the most chilling statements that TMH has made is"I couldn't work, I have been looking after Kyron since he was born, BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WOULDN'T!!!!!!!..... Does anyone remember TMH started a relationship with Kaine while married to pregnant Desiree & then became involved when Desiree was deathly ill with kidney disease!!! When she came back from treatment in Canada, she was not allowed to have her child back!!!!TMH hating Kyron for going through her $300K etc etc.
Oh what a tangled web we weave!!!! Deceit, hatred, $$$$ & SEX!:furious:
 
  • #166
I'd like to know more about DY's illness and why custody of Kyron went to KH. I don't recall reading all the facts. Does anyone know if they're available?
 
  • #167
All I can say as a 40 something mother of 2 twenty somethings (and I didn't have custody of them since they were 2 and 3), the court deems stability and continuity as the major factor in who gets full custody. In other words, since Kyron had lived at his dad's full time for 5 years without any "known" complications, the court would be hard pressed to change the arrangement meaning to uproot the child. From the courts/judge standpoint, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

All Desiree had to do is make a phone call to any competent lawyer who specialized in family/custody law and she would have been advised to be prepared to spend at least 6 figures on legal fees, court dates, psychological evaluations, etc, etc, etc, and then she probably would have been told that Ky gets to stay with Kaine. Then she would have to weigh this effect on her beautiful child who she was seeing on a regular bases, anyways.

I lost custody of my two babies when I was in my early 20s because my ex and his family had money and lawyers in the family. I didn't do anything wrong. I was just out numbered financially and legally. In the end, it didn't effect my relationship with my children (thank goodness), but all the legal wrangling and tugging on them has had a significant impact on who they are as adults.


Wow, That is so sad for you, and why can't some fathers just "have a heart"! It should not be a matter of who has the most money, or the best home with all the trimmings, and i find it deplorable that it hinges on this. What about what is best for the children, and like i said earlier, the mother and child bond, and any psychologist knows how important the mother/son relationship and father/daughter relationship is to a child. I just don't understand why a child or children should go to the parent with the most assets, as if that mattered! Unless a biological mother wants to give up custody, then i feel that is her choice, but otherwise i see no reason for it, unless a mother is mentally incapable to care for her children.
 
  • #168
I think I understand what you're trying to say but I'm a bit confused so maybe not. Children cannot care for themselves. They cannot feed or clothe themselves. They lack the brain function to make decisions that protect their safety and welfare. They do naughty things at times but their sense of wonder and lack of experience make them innocent. That's why being a child equates to lack of capacity in many jurisdictions with regard to criminal cases.
Therefore, expressing hatred towards a child, especially one who has been entrusted to your care, is much worse than expressing hatred to another adult, IMO.


bbm and respectfully snipped from upthread

I agree 100% with the above bolded statement. Thing is, there is no evidence or even information being provided to us that TH EVER expressed hatred to Kyron, ever. It's not even alleged by her own husband, who was there, according to his own testimony, most of the time as primary caretaker. This alleged email(s) that Desiree refers to is from my understanding written (as in venting) to another adult. So until we see the email(s), it would be impossible to know what is behind the meaning, maybe not even then.

Gitana, can you see a reason for them, LE or Desiree, (not sure if Kaine has even seen the aforementioned email(s)), not releasing the actual documents now that the cat has virtually been let out of the bag. If these emails show so adamantly that Terri hated Kyron, and Desiree has already said that, why not release them?
 
  • #169
bbm and respectfully snipped from upthread

I agree 100% with the above bolded statement. Thing is, there is no evidence or even information being provided to us that TH EVER expressed hatred to Kyron, ever. It's not even alleged by her own husband, who was there, according to his own testimony, most of the time as primary caretaker. This alleged email(s) that Desiree refers to is from my understanding written (as in venting) to another adult. So until we see the email(s), it would be impossible to know what is behind the meaning, maybe not even then.

Gitana, can you see a reason for them, LE or Desiree, (not sure if Kaine has even seen the aforementioned email(s)), not releasing the actual documents now that the cat has virtually been let out of the bag. If these emails show so adamantly that Terri hated Kyron, and Desiree has already said that, why not release them?

I'm guessing that the reason they're not releasing the emails is the same reason they're not releasing anything; they want to build a good solid case first, and why tip their hand to the defense before they have to?
 
  • #170
JMO, but I believe in "tough love" and that parents shouldn't be wimps when dealing with difficult children. Been there done that with my own stubborn kids many times.

But we read cases here every day where adults impose their will on young innocent children in a non-loving and destructive way, or even a sadistic way. Adults can be selfish and begin to see children as barriers to their own happiness. That's the danger zone, and even angry speech that is "understandable" can become abusive if the child hears it day in and day out. There's just no reason for that, in my opinion.

And maybe I would cut Terri more slack if her own behavior was more exemplary. Parents do have to set an example, but the cumulative picture of TH isn't that of a loving parent who wanted to help Kyron, but a selfish creature who wanted her own way at all times and would say or do anything to keep that going on. JMOO

While these emails haven't been released yet, I'm not going to dismiss them as nothing yet. The sexting messages were worse than most of us feared, and I personally expect more weirdness and icky factor in the emails too. :furious:
 
  • #171
bbm and respectfully snipped from upthread

I agree 100% with the above bolded statement. Thing is, there is no evidence or even information being provided to us that TH EVER expressed hatred to Kyron, ever. It's not even alleged by her own husband, who was there, according to his own testimony, most of the time as primary caretaker. This alleged email(s) that Desiree refers to is from my understanding written (as in venting) to another adult. So until we see the email(s), it would be impossible to know what is behind the meaning, maybe not even then.

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BBM I agree that there is "no information being provided" but we have no idea if there is "no evidence."

LE has kept the evidence and progress of this case very close to the vest. Since we (and fairly I think) can only discuss the snippets of information that they or the parents have released to MSM, we can choose to think those snippets are meaningless and gratuitous....or we can believe that information was put into the public domain for a reason. In other words, some may rightfully think these are just chunks of ice floating by that will dissipate...I think they are investigative tips of huge icebergs

IMO this looks like a very meticulous investigation and one that is tightly controlled, therefore I believe that what DOES come out into the public domain...has a purpose and is done ON PURPOSE.

Because there are numerous agencies involved.... IMO the idea of Terri being framed or the easiest suspect just being chosen and stubbornly stuck with...or other leads not being followed...does not make sense. I cannot believe each and every agency just decided to focus on Terri and refuse to look at anyone else. That would imply collusion or some mass conspiracy ACROSS THESE AGENCIES against this housewife. I would have to believe that none of these separate agencies felt any competition to be the one to solve this case...and that none of these agencies had even one competent independent thinker in its ranks ALL THESE MONTHS.

If LE decided to show these emails to Kyron's parents, they had an investigative reason. No professional just wanted to make trouble for Terri or add to the parents grief. If LE decided to show these emails, then the emails are important. LE must come across "venting" and unflattering emails and texts all the time in cases. They must have some sense of what would help in a jury trial and what would look ridiculous. I trust LE can tell the difference.

IMO many snippets of information have become available in this case that point to Terri Horman. Taken one by one...each snippet can be scattered and seemingly dismissed. But LE is not scattering this evidence...it is creating a pile..and it is getting higher and wider.

I think Terri knows this too. I think LE is sending a few signals to her. Terri knows full well how harmless or how horrific these emails are. She knows full well where and when she has lied...where her story will NOT hold up. She is like Casey Anthony walking down that hall to take LE to her workplace. She knows THEY know....and she is running out of fantasies and fabrications. That request for visitation...so public...such a big PR move...was withdrawn so embarrassingly FOR A REASON. The searches continue at Sauvie Island... and no where else... FOR A REASON. The emails were shown to the parents FOR A REASON.

Terri knows those reasons.

I think Terri knows absolutely that these "snippets" we discuss here are not meaningless and will not just dissipate. I think she knows just how lethal the icebergs in her messy life truly are. And I think she knows that LE knows. She just has to wait and watch as we do...until THEY are ready to hold her fully accountable for what she did to Kyron.
 
  • #172
ITA, but I need to ask why DY does not have custody of her older son - does anyone know?

I would imagine the same reason she lost custody of Kyron: she was extremely ill with kidney failure, had to go to Canada for treatment and was not physically capable of taking care of her children for a lengthy period of time due to her illness.
 
  • #173
The POINT I was making is that parents have sometimes said and did things we take amiss, 'cause we are without understanding of where they come from. All of my kids, which I raised, have survived even though I said some "not so nice stuff" to them and others. Many mothers spoke the same way, but that didn't mean we would murder our children or not lay our lives down for them. I think most mothers have said many things that would be taken wrongly, without understanding, on this board. Maybe the nay sayers, without a bunch of kids, simply don't understand the day-to-day frustrations a lot of us go through. It's real easy to be "perfect" parent, like my mother who bailed out real early, than it is to slog through the day to day laundry, meals, school programs, fights, dirt, homework, etc., that real life throws at you. It's so easy to "say and tell" what should be done, when you ain't in them shoes. I've raised 6 kids and I've said a lot of "stuff" that wouldn't look good in a murder case, but mine are all alive and doing well.

I am reminded of something a friend of mine went through several years ago. Her mother died when my friend was in her middle forties and several years later, her father decided to go into an assisted living facility. He had boxes and boxes of junk, the normal sort of stuff that families accumulate when they've lived in one place for years and he told her to take anything she wanted.

She went through the boxes and picked several that had papers and other things related to her mother. When she got them home, she discovered that her mother's diaries were included.

Her memory of her mother was of someone who was supportive, loving, gentle, patient, kind, etc. She thought she'd had a wonderful childhood and that they had a great relationship when she was an adult.

After she read her mother's diaries, she had to go into therapy (no joking). The mother she remembered as being kind, patient, etc? Wasn't that way at all in her diaries. Those diaries were full of belittling comments about my friend, full of anger, full of hurtful comments about my friend's abilities, appearance, etc.

They were devastating to read.

How my friend finally came to terms with this newly discovered part of her mother was to realise that, first, her mother had clearly never intended anyone else read her diaries. My friend didn't know she kept a diary and neither did my friend's father.

After my friend had spent some time in therapy, she re-read the diaries as part of the therapy. The second time through, she noticed that she was not the only person who got the poison pen treatment from her mother; her mother made comments about her father, relatives, friends, etc. Acid, hateful, biting comments.

What my friend finally figured out was that her mother was not Saint Mom. Her mother had moments of anger, frustration, fear, bitterness, etc, just as other human beings do. Rather than air those feelings to her loved ones, she wrote them in her diaries.

That she wrote such things does not replace all the wonderful things she did as a mother, spouse and friend. She was still the same loving, patient, gentle, supportive person my friend remembered. It's just that she had other feelings as well and she had found what she considered a safe way to relieve those feelings.

Ultimately, my friend realised that those diaries are actually evidence of how much her mother loved her. Her mother loved her so much that she found a way to protect her child from her own darker side.

My friend also says "if you come into possession of a loved one's secret diaries, burn them unread and save thousands of dollars in therapy!" She can laugh about it now, which seems to me to be proof that her therapy was well worth it.
 
  • #174
I remember shuddering during that first interview with K and D, while he mentions some behavior problems.
Personally I think Kyron was living in an abusive home, and dad wasn't involved enough to notice, for whatever reason.

He now says even baby K is like a different child.
T must have been hello to live with.
I can't imagine what her own son is going through since he is likely a witness to what really went on when K wasn't home, and may end up having to share it in a court of law.
 
  • #175
Respectfully snipped by me for space.

But Kyron's not and that's the point.

Sure, all parents express frustration. Some say awful things to their kids (maybe even about them), and the kids end up okay. But when you have a case where someone is missing, things that would otherwise seem somewhat normal, may become clues to something else.
In other words, if a person says, "I hate my wife." Well, it's ugly but it may mean very little. But if said wife suddenly disappears, that statement becomes a vital clue in determining what may have happened to the missing woman.

That being said, I tend to believe that what Terri said about Kyron was not as horrendous as what Desiree claims. She has lost her precious child and so any expression of negativity or frustration about him would surely be viewed as horrid and feel like salt on the wound. I relate to that. But even if what TH said or wrote was relatively mild, I would still view it as part of the puzzle and, with everything else that we know or suspect TH has done or said due to reports, it is just one other thing pointing right to her, like a beacon.

Excellent post. However I disagree with Desirees "spin" on the emails, and I base this only on what it was like before we actually knew about Terris sexy texts, but didn't know the content, and I think alot of peoples jaws hit the floor after those were revealed sans the pictures, thankfully.

I think these emails are going to be terrible, and this is based on Desiree saying Terri HATED Kyron, that alone is pretty major, does it really get worse than that? And its silence city from Terris lawyers, if it wasn't true, you can bet they would make a stink about it, crying tainting the potential jury pool or something, but nothing......
 
  • #176
I guess I would feel better if it didn't appear to me that everything TH has done is "alleged"--Where are the charges for conspiracy in the murder for hire? I'm recalling that Florida case in which the woman was hauled off to the slammer for "hiring" someone (in on the sting) to kill her husband. How does "sexting" add up to child murder? Or emails critical of the child? What proof is there about the origin of the "sexts" and the emails--or the motive of the writer? Then we compound the problem by "taking things all together" to point to certain murder by TH.

I certainly think TH is suspect #1. I'm just not comfortable with aggregating all of the allegations and coming out with certainty. That's why courts have evidence that can be examined and challenged by both sides. Until Kyron is found, all we have to go on are these circumstantial tidbits--and not even the conceptual framework that LE has worked out to hold the bits together. If there is a case against TH or anyone else, LE should and will bring it. If not--where is Kyron?

Thanks was not enough. Your post said succinctly what has been troubling me for months: the lack of a context to place these pieces of information into.
 
  • #177
"I'm just not comfortable with aggregating all of the allegations and coming out with certainty."

How can any of us have certainty? We are on a discussion Board, dealing with a limited amount of information.

Even a jury presented with both sides can never really have "certainty" IMO...there are dueling experts and "facts" the jury is not allowed to know when they make their decision.

I have no certainty of Terri's guilt. I simply refuse to negate or ignore everything we have learned to date as if it is of no import at all...in order to NOT suspect Teri of hurting Kyron.

I feel no obligation to argue in defense of Terri by denying what we do know is of consequence. LE said there was a Murder For Hire plot. No one has said it is now discredited. So why should I give Terri that benefit? The same with everything else. Why presume nothing that we learn about her matters?

Terri has top-notch lawyers, being funded by SOME ANONYMOUS SOURCE (isn't that lucky?) It is their job to protect her rights and refute whatever they can as it enters the public domain. I am happy to let them assume that responsibility. I don't find my thoughts turning to worry and fear for Terri. When that happens...I'm thinking of that little guy who has been gone for so long.

And if some feel a Mother who writes terrible things about her child can completely suppress that and never, ever show that hatred, or disdain, or repulsion to the child...well, that is one point of view. IMO, no one has such amazing self control. Pulling away when a child tries to hug you, flinching at his touch, stifling your disgust for him, repressing a real desire to hurt him...I think that seeps through. A child that lives with THAT...feels it. It's a constant battering in its own way. To be not just unloved...but despised. At SEVEN years old.

What must that been like for Kyron, day after day.

For THAT alone, I am happy to leave Terri's defense and cheerleading to her lawyers.

The pile that points to her guilt is getting higher. If she is not guilty...maybe this is a cosmic payback for the way that little boy had to try to endure under her power every day. Knowing that she is somewhere... waiting...watching the evidence pile grow....fearing and feeling all the negativity...just as little Kyron musty have feared and felt her hatred...well. I can be patient knowing that.

As Kaine said...be patient. I believe LE is going to make sure this case is a tight as it can be. For Kyron....who "saw it all."
 
  • #178
I am reminded of something a friend of mine went through several years ago. Her mother died when my friend was in her middle forties and several years later, her father decided to go into an assisted living facility. He had boxes and boxes of junk, the normal sort of stuff that families accumulate when they've lived in one place for years and he told her to take anything she wanted.

She went through the boxes and picked several that had papers and other things related to her mother. When she got them home, she discovered that her mother's diaries were included.

Her memory of her mother was of someone who was supportive, loving, gentle, patient, kind, etc. She thought she'd had a wonderful childhood and that they had a great relationship when she was an adult.

After she read her mother's diaries, she had to go into therapy (no joking). The mother she remembered as being kind, patient, etc? Wasn't that way at all in her diaries. Those diaries were full of belittling comments about my friend, full of anger, full of hurtful comments about my friend's abilities, appearance, etc.

They were devastating to read.

How my friend finally came to terms with this newly discovered part of her mother was to realise that, first, her mother had clearly never intended anyone else read her diaries. My friend didn't know she kept a diary and neither did my friend's father.

After my friend had spent some time in therapy, she re-read the diaries as part of the therapy. The second time through, she noticed that she was not the only person who got the poison pen treatment from her mother; her mother made comments about her father, relatives, friends, etc. Acid, hateful, biting comments.

What my friend finally figured out was that her mother was not Saint Mom. Her mother had moments of anger, frustration, fear, bitterness, etc, just as other human beings do. Rather than air those feelings to her loved ones, she wrote them in her diaries.

That she wrote such things does not replace all the wonderful things she did as a mother, spouse and friend. She was still the same loving, patient, gentle, supportive person my friend remembered. It's just that she had other feelings as well and she had found what she considered a safe way to relieve those feelings.

Ultimately, my friend realised that those diaries are actually evidence of how much her mother loved her. Her mother loved her so much that she found a way to protect her child from her own darker side.

My friend also says "if you come into possession of a loved one's secret diaries, burn them unread and save thousands of dollars in therapy!" She can laugh about it now, which seems to me to be proof that her therapy was well worth it.

But your friend is still here today.
Her mother found a safe way to protect her child from her own darker side.
Her mother had a secret diary, Terri's email was not secret.
Your friend can laugh about it today, IMO Kyron will never be able to laugh about any thing ever again.
If Terri would have had a secret diary, vented about her "extreme hatred for Kyron," gone about being a loving, gentle, supportive person, Kyron would still be here today. MIO
 
  • #179
Thanks was not enough. Your post said succinctly what has been troubling me for months: the lack of a context to place these pieces of information into.

Lack of context? I am baffled, truly baffled by this statement.

The context there is that this woman, Terri Horman, did all of these disgusting, self serving, self centered things and wanted all the attention on her - and a CHILD WENT MISSING THAT WAS IN HER CARE. The same child she was telling her friends she HATED. And yes, I'm going to believe those emails based on how upset Desiree was about them. Just because Terri hid her hatred so well doesn't mean she gets a pass on everything she does like it's normal, everyday housewife stuff. Not when Kyron, a child she took care of, a child she was responsible for, went missing right out of her care. He walked right down a hallway where she was standing, and he NEVER made it to class. That's too close for comfort for me.

I wouldn't give a flip about her if Kyron were alive and well. She could do what she wants when she wants. But the fact that her needs overrode the right of an innocent child to LIVE is enough context for me. Terri is all about Terri. I cannot excuse her actions like something that's just normal when a child went missing that was in her direct supervision and care. She was responsible for his health and wellbeing, and now he's missing and probably dead. There is no way that Kyron and what happened to him can be divorced or separated from Terri and her actions. That is the context here. I can't imagine what more context this case could possibly need.
 
  • #180
But your friend is still here today.
Her mother found a safe way to protect her child from her own darker side.
Her mother had a secret diary, Terri's email was not secret.
Your friend can laugh about it today, IMO Kyron will never be able to laugh about any thing ever again.
If Terri would have had a secret diary, vented about her "extreme hatred for Kyron," gone about being a loving, gentle, supportive person, Kyron would still be here today. MIO


Then, if you really, really want to look at these emails, she KNEW they would be read! She for sure has seen enough CSI and all these sorts of shows, its like the ultimate screw you to Kaine and Desiree. And whats worse is, we KNOW Terri knows how to file for divorce, shes on her third marriage! She knew exactly how do leave without killing anyone or causing havoc.

Shes just cold and these emails are really important into looking at what kind of person she really is. Why one of her sons fathers isnt in court trying to get that kid away from her and stopping the child support payments is seriously beyond me.
 

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