Desiree says Terri had “Extreme hatred for Kyron"

[ami]

How do you know that it wasn't a pleasant stepmother to mother call? Because of all of the dirt flung at TH by DY and KH?

I see the phone calls as Kyron was upset, for whatever reason, so TH let Kyron call to talk to his mom. Why does EVERYTHING TH does have to be seen as evil? She raised this child She loved him, she mothered him, she cared for him. What evidence do we have that shows otherwise? Because DY and KH say so? That doesnt' cut it in my book.

What evidence do you have that shows she loved him?

 

[chasing.halos]

How do you know that it wasn't a pleasant stepmother to mother call? Because of all of the dirt flung at TH by DY and KH?

I see the phone calls as Kyron was upset, for whatever reason, so TH let Kyron call to talk to his mom. Why does EVERYTHING TH does have to be seen as evil? She raised this child She loved him, she mothered him, she cared for him. What evidence do we have that shows otherwise? Because DY and KH say so? That doesnt' cut it in my book.

So, are you saying that you don't believe LE because they told Desiree and Kaine that Ky's lovely step-mother wrote e-mails about despising Kyron?

 

[Aedrys]

How do you know that it wasn't a pleasant stepmother to mother call? Because of all of the dirt flung at TH by DY and KH?

I see the phone calls as Kyron was upset, for whatever reason, so TH let Kyron call to talk to his mom. Why does EVERYTHING TH does have to be seen as evil? She raised this child She loved him, she mothered him, she cared for him. What evidence do we have that shows otherwise? Because DY and KH say so? That doesnt' cut it in my book.

So the two people intimately involved in this situation, who are Kyron's biological parents, don't count. But people that were friends, who didn't live with Kyron everyday or interact with Kyron everyday, and oh, the one person who won't talk or say anything in her defense means more in the grand scheme of things? She's a great mother because other people who didn't live with her, who didn't really know what kind of mother she is say so? I think I'm going to trust the people that interacted with her on a daily basis, who know her better than anyone else as to who Terri is and what she's capable of. They may have only figured this out in a lot more detail in retrospect, but that is far more powerful to me than friends who weren't in her life nearly as much.

And Hmm, those supportive friends aren't saying a word anymore. No one is taking up for Terri in MSM anymore. No one saying anymore what a wonderful mother she is. Is that not odd? Shouldn't people still be shouting from the rooftops what a wonderful mother she is? Yet there's total silence from any local supporters of Terri MSM wise. That tells me she lied to a lot of people about who she was, and they aren't liking the real Terri that was capable of killing a child and throwing away all of her friendships to protect herself.

If anyone should be believed about Terri from MSM, it's Kaine and Desiree. So far, only the truth has come from them while everyone else has sugarcoated and lied for Terri in the press. Most of the pleasant, loving stories have turned out to be totally false. Most of these people that have said nice things about her have turned on her and given LE plenty of ammunition in the form of emails and such. She won't even fight for her own flesh and blood child, and wrote emails where she said she hated Kyron. And I believe that's what she said in those emails. Desiree has no reason to lie about that, and there's no refutation from Terri's lawyers, only total silence.

So no, this wasn't the most pleasant situation with Terri. I'd think Desiree would be saying a lot more nice things, even taking up for Terri if they were such best buddies in the best interest of Kyron. I do think Terri was manipulative, seething with anger but putting on a happy face and acting like everything was A-okay, thumbs up. She may have been pleasant with Desiree at the thought Desiree would solve her problem by taking Kyron away, but I'm sure she was raging when that didn't happen. When she couldn't manipulate the situation to her advantage anymore, that's when she took matters into her own hands.

And if she didn't want to be seen as evil, a child shouldn't have gone missing on her watch. Until it's ever proven that she had nothing to do with this, her actions and the fact that she was the last adult to see Kyron leads me to believe she is evil, and that's my right to do so just as anyone else has the right to see her as they wish.

 

[chasing.halos]

There are too many things that simply cannot be coincidence here. Her actions before (MURDER FOR HIRE) and her actions after suggest to me that the only person she cares for is herself.

Which I also ask, do you not believe the murder for hire allegations as well? (I am seriously asking, not trying to be sassy, I am trying to understand) Asking someone to murder their childs own daddy does not exhibit much love to me.

 

[wvjules]

What evidence do you have that shows she loved him?

Nice deflection.

So, are you saying that you don't believe LE because they told Desiree and Kaine that Ky's lovely step-mother wrote e-mails about despising Kyron?

No where did I say that I don't believe LE. According to DY she was shown some emails from LE. I believe that. I also believe that TH may have said some hurtful things about Kyron. What parent doens't get frustrated and vent about their kids? But I also believe that DY is reading those possibly innocent venting about Kyron emails through the eyes of a grieving parent. Any innocent vent TH may have said about Kyron would have been seen as hateful by DY. Do we know if these were innocent venting emails or more vile, disgusting ones? Nope, we sure don't until they are released and I'm withholding final judgement on them until I can read with my own eyes what was acutally said.

There are too many things that simply cannot be coincidence here. Her actions before (MURDER FOR HIRE) and her actions after suggest to me that the only person she cares for is herself.

Which I also ask, do you not believe the murder for hire allegations as well? (I am seriously asking, not trying to be sassy, I am trying to understand) Asking someone to murder their childs own daddy does not exhibit much love to me.

No, I don't believe the MFH.

 

[ami]

Nice deflection.



No where did I say that I don't believe LE. According to DY she was shown some emails from LE. I believe that. I also believe that TH may have said some hurtful things about Kyron. What parent doens't get frustrated and vent about their kids? But I also believe that DY is reading those possibly innocent venting about Kyron emails through the eyes of a grieving parent. Any innocent vent TH may have said about Kyron would have been seen as hateful by DY. Do we know if these were innocent venting emails or more vile, disgusting ones? Nope, we sure don't until they are released and I'm withholding final judgement on them until I can read with my own eyes what was acutally said.



No, I don't believe the MFH.

It's not a deflection; we post our opinions here and often back those opinions up with what evidence we have. I spent several paragraphs listing the evidence we have from Terri's own words that show what I believe is evidence that she was resentful of Kyron. You asked what evidence we have of her dislike of him, and my post would be a small sample of that evidence. Since you indicated that it could be that those same actions were motivated by love, I simply asked the same question you did: what evidence do we have of that premise?

 

[gardeness]

Respectfully, what evidence do we have to prove any of this? Because TH said so? DY and KH have said different...and TH's actions do not make her word enough to 'cut it' for me...IMO.

Browse through the Horman family pictures--there are plenty of "actions" that show a clean home, well-dressed and clean children, happy children, *fun* times, hugs and affection...it's all there. MOO

 

[wvjules]

It's not a deflection; we post our opinions here and often back those opinions up with what evidence we have. I spent several paragraphs listing the evidence we have from Terri's own words that show what I believe is evidence that she was resentful of Kyron. You asked what evidence we have of her dislike of him, and my post would be a small sample of that evidence. Since you indicated that it could be that those same actions were motivated by love, I simply asked the same question you did: what evidence do we have of that premise?

Obviously I'm missing something. Where is there anything in Terri's own words describing her resentment of Kyron?

 

[stmarysmead]

Browse through the Horman family pictures--there are plenty of "actions" that show a clean home, well-dressed and clean children, happy children, *fun* times, hugs and affection...it's all there. MOO

A Facebook page is what any person chooses to make it. It's like your own PR. I can create any image I like. I can hide anything unpleasant.

Facebook is not any candid recorder of truth or accuracy. A man could be beating his wife to a pulp and staging happy Family Facebook photo-ops.

Casey had cutesy lovey photos of herself and Caylee as well.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Oh, I sure wish that in the beginning, when Terri was posting on her facebook, she only would have made one mention, how she was grieving, stated how much she loves Kyron and was hoping more than anything he would come home.
And I so wish Desiree would have said, Terri said hateful things about Kyron and was venting her frustrations, in the emails, instead of saying she "had extreme hatred for him.
I also wish there was never any one out there that could have even suggested, that Terri even mentioned she might have wanted her husband dead.
If none of these things had not even been brought up, it would make so much easier, for me, to think there might be hope, that Terri was not behind the disappearance of Kyron.

 

[Aedrys]

Browse through the Horman family pictures--there are plenty of "actions" that show a clean home, well-dressed and clean children, happy children, *fun* times, hugs and affection...it's all there. MOO

No. There were plenty of pictures of a healthy, smiling, well cared for Caylee Anthony too, and look how that turned out. Her mother still hated her and killed her. Her family is about the most dysfunctional one ever, but the pictures don't tell the real story of that family. Pictures do NOT show the total picture of what is going on in a family. My family was very dysfunctional, but no one would ever know that by the all the happy pictures my mother keeps. There is no way to judge what really went on that house and who Terri really was just by looking at pictures. No one takes pictures of crying and bad times and posts them proudly. People only put the best pictures forward to put the best image of their family out there.

 

[miabellamoure]

A Facebook page is what any person chooses to make it. It's like your own PR. I can create any image I like. I can hide anything unpleasant.

Facebook is not any candid recorder of truth or accuracy. A man could be beating his wife to a pulp and staging happy Family Facebook photo-ops.

Casey had cutesy lovey photos of herself and Caylee as well.

And so did Laci & Scott Peterson...and look at what we know about that family now.

 

[chasing.halos]

I must say here that I hope, I SO hope, that I am completely and totally wrong about TH. Because the mere fact that IMO I believe that our lil Ky spent his days (and possible his LAST DAY on earth) with a manipulative, selfish, overbearing step-mother that HATED HIM hurts me a great deal. It sickens me.

 

[Pensfan]

And so did Laci & Scott Peterson...and look at what we know about that family now.

This family also appears to be completely normal and harmless. (This is Joseph Stalin and his kids. Stalin is responsible for as many as 60 million deaths.)

 

[grandmaj]

Stop Personalizing posts and stop being snarky. Tone it down a notch everyone! These threads are becoming far too snarky.

 

[SurfieTX]

Think about this logically. Say, for example, one has to have her appendix removed. The surgeon comes in and gives the odds for success - most times 97% success and that random 3% chance of serious problems/death. Since the odds are in one's favor, they become "acceptable" odds.

Now think about a cancer diagnosis. The doctor tells a person that there's a 90% chance of treatment failure and 10% of treatment success. A person tends to think, "This won't happen to me! I'm going to be that 10% chance survivor!"

People like odds when they are in their favor. It's human nature, but they will still bet on winning regardless of the situation.

There are physical patterns and documented predictors with humans, and psychological ones as well. Otherwise, there would be no need for psychology textbooks or psychiatrists or even therapists.

To say that the totality of Terri's being the "de facto suspect" is that random 3% failure is unrealistic. She has the best attorney money can buy. She isn't being railroaded, sitting in jail and dealing with a court-appointed attorney with no support (family or otherwise).

And LE is facing perhaps the biggest case in Oregon's history. They are NOT about to make any crucial mistakes. If they showed these emails to Desiree and Kaine, it was for a DARN good reason (and a psychological one aimed at Terri and her lawyers at that). I, for one, am not about to question the contents of those emails. If they conveyed hatefulness, then I believe they did. It just stands to reason.

ETA: Before I get lambasted for a contradictory argument, I will say that groupthink is a very, very powerful tool. It is used in recovery settings (psychiatric and addictive) as well as advertising and LE. The propensity for a group to be manipulated is dialed down remarkably lower than an individual's ability to be manipulated.

 

[ami]

Obviously I'm missing something. Where is there anything in Terri's own words describing her resentment of Kyron?

In the emails published by MSM in which she writes about Kaine, money, Kyron, etc.

 

[Curious Me]

If I was Desiree, I would not be able to forgive Kaine for not letting her know that Terri was drinking, having problems, etc. Even if Kyron had not disappeared and I found this out, I don't think I could forigve, knowing that he had children, including mine, in a house with a woman with a drinking problem, mental/emotional issues, etc. Whether it is logical or not...with Terri's past history, any hint of alcohol abuse should have been cause for more than normal concern.

I agree, cluciano, that the mistake Kaine must kick himself for is not being honest, even with himself, about what he was seeing in Terri's behavior. There'd be no way for Desiree to know anything if Kaine was not noticing the hatred seeping from Terri, or not wondering enough why she seemed like maybe she was drinking again. I have to believe that Terri was just so good at fooling people.

 

[LillyRush]

One of the most chilling statements that TMH has made is"I couldn't work, I have been looking after Kyron since he was born, BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WOULDN'T!!!!!!!..... Does anyone remember TMH started a relationship with Kaine while married to pregnant Desiree & then became involved when Desiree was deathly ill with kidney disease!!! When she came back from treatment in Canada, she was not allowed to have her child back!!!!TMH hating Kyron for going through her $300K etc etc.
Oh what a tangled web we weave!!!! Deceit, hatred, $$$$ & SEX!:furious:

I agree, that was tacky of her to say, in light of the circumstances/origins of their relationship. Clearly, both Terri and Kaine were telling people a totally different version of how and why their relationship started, as I recall some relatives of Kaine also shared a story of Terri being some lifesaver to Kaine and Kyron. Also, as we saw in some of the earlier bio parent interviews, Kaine and Desiree seemed to still differ on how their relationship exactly ended. I imagine probably the only people who knew what really happened with Desiree were her own family members and friends. Anyway, back to the originally scheduled topic.

 

[miabellamoure]

I must say here that I hope, I SO hope, that I am completely and totally wrong about TH. Because the mere fact that IMO I believe that our lil Ky spent his days (and possible his LAST DAY on earth) with a manipulative, selfish, overbearing step-mother that HATED HIM hurts me a great deal. It sickens me.

One thing I know for sure...you will NOT be alone with this "hurt"!