Details About Burke's 1/8/97 Interview

[sissi]

I'm not in any hurry, heck we've been already sitting here for eight years

 

[jasmine]

So that means I get 8 more yrs to find the info? haha I sure do have some digging to do but I feel confident I can find it in less than 8 yrs! By the way, I really do enjoy your posts!!!

 

[sissi]

Thanks Jasmine, I've enjoyed yours too!
I never mind listening to the reasons why some think Patsy did it, as strange as that might sound coming from me, who feels certain she didn't, I listen because I think "maybe I'm missing something here". So far, I feel secure in that I haven't missed anything, (nothing leaked or available at least). I listen, though, because it's ,at least, a curiosity that so many think she is responsible. When the forum starts in on an innocent child, I feel I have a responsibility to my own belief system to draw the line and not become part of what I consider slanderous activity.
Slander ( for BC and others) :the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
There is not ONE fact pointing toward this child's being considered anything other than "not a suspect", "cleared", " not considered a suspect at any time" by anyone including the owner of the above quotes, the DA. When speaking of a child, whom would find it more difficult to deal with a damaged reputation, it is cruel. IMO
The adults who were presented by police, tabs, books etc. as being under some umbrella, yeah, sadly they are all fair game in a debate. We do nothing but rehash info, look up facts..try to build a case or dispute one..with the facts and info we can find. That is what forums are all about, sharing ideas and debating others. IMO..there is no place for a discussion concerning an innocent child as murderer.

 

[Fran Bancroft]

This is all very interesting, my sister wet the bed until she was nine, her children both are bedwetters. I ,on the other hand, and my other sisters never wet the bed, and our children aren't bewetters. My hubby had one brother who wet the bed, his daughter wet the bed ,as well. There is no abuse, either physical or emotional going on in any of these families, so in our cases I suggest it is a genetic issue.
I will say statistically ,it would suggest the same in the Ramsey family.

Uh, well, at the risk of sharing too much info, I wet the bed until 10, I wasn't sexually abused, nor did I have performance anxiety. My younger sister wet the bed until 6 or 7, ditto for her, and my second child at almost 11 still wets the bed. I don't, nor does anyone sexually abuse him, he has a medical reason for it, so we have learned, and it's genetic.

Bedwetting is a distraction from the fact that Burke was not a 9 year old murderer who was sexually sophisticated.

The fact is, apparently for some, it would be more dramatic to have the "story" end with "Burke did it!", but the facts do not support it.

 

[Fran Bancroft]

Hey, Sissi, nice to see ya back!

 

[Fran Bancroft]

Bluecrab,
I find these "Bonita" files very very intriguing! It really hit me when I read the part about Burke having had a bedwetting issue as well as JB. I think it might be more than coincidence that 2 children out of 2 children in the household both suffer from bedwetting issues. Is it me or is that a signal for sexual abuse of minors? I know it isn't just me... I have had to watch the mandated video tapes about it... it is a red flag!

Yep, those "mandated videos" lead one to only one conclusion-sex abuse! They forget to mention the major cause of bedwetting to be medically and genetically related.

 

[jasmine]

Bedwetting is a distraction from the fact that Burke was not a 9 year old murderer who was sexually sophisticated.

The fact is, apparently for some, it would be more dramatic to have the "story" end with "Burke did it!", but the facts do not support it.

Seeker, you seem to fail to grasp the importance of where information comes from. If courts relied on your logic, National Enquirer articles would be common evidence...there is no point in my attempt to educate you.

Fran Bancroft you said it so well!!! No matter how you spin it, Burke is did not do it and bedwetting by anyone was not a motive.
BURKE WAS CLEARED
JON BENETS BED WAS NOT WET

 

[Fran Bancroft]

Absolutely correct,a fact!
However where in that house is a stain that corresponds with the urine on her pj's? It wasn't on the floor, on her bed, or on any carpet, was she killed in that house?
IMO

Sorry I took my marbles and went home, but those "bonita" things were too "over the top".
IMO

A "shock" could cause one to lose their urine. Fright, and pain, too.

 

[jasmine]

I tried copy and paste and it didnt work out too well. It looks like what you wrote is my post!!! I am sorry, I just can not figure out how to work this stuff.

 

[Fran Bancroft]

Thanks Jasmine, I've enjoyed yours too!
I never mind listening to the reasons why some think Patsy did it, as strange as that might sound coming from me, who feels certain she didn't, I listen because I think "maybe I'm missing something here". So far, I feel secure in that I haven't missed anything, (nothing leaked or available at least). I listen, though, because it's ,at least, a curiosity that so many think she is responsible. When the forum starts in on an innocent child, I feel I have a responsibility to my own belief system to draw the line and not become part of what I consider slanderous activity.
Slander ( for BC and others) :the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
There is not ONE fact pointing toward this child's being considered anything other than "not a suspect", "cleared", " not considered a suspect at any time" by anyone including the owner of the above quotes, the DA. When speaking of a child, whom would find it more difficult to deal with a damaged reputation, it is cruel. IMO
The adults who were presented by police, tabs, books etc. as being under some umbrella, yeah, sadly they are all fair game in a debate. We do nothing but rehash info, look up facts..try to build a case or dispute one..with the facts and info we can find. That is what forums are all about, sharing ideas and debating others. IMO..there is no place for a discussion concerning an innocent child as murderer.

I commend you for your integrity! No one has the right to defame this little boy, nor his parents. It is the same, in my opinion, as again victimizing JBR, after all, it is HER family.

I will continue to stick my neck out as well, and NOT participate in blaming, implicating, defaming this family. PERIOD!

 

[Fran Bancroft]

I tried copy and paste and it didnt work out too well. It looks like what you wrote is my post!!! I am sorry, I just can not figure out how to work this stuff.

Hehe, no worries. Do your copy paste, and then, look at your tools above your box when posting. There is a little quote dealie on the bottom right row, click that. Put your cursor in between the two quotes and the hit past or control v.

 

[Fran Bancroft]

I tried copy and paste and it didnt work out too well. It looks like what you wrote is my post!!! I am sorry, I just can not figure out how to work this stuff.

PS, Besides, I like what "you" wrote! Hehe.

 

[sissi]

Hey, Sissi, nice to see ya back!

Thanks! I have to catch up on the reading, life got busy tonight and I have missed a bit!

 

[jasmine]

I commend you for your integrity! No one has the right to defame this little boy, nor his parents. It is the same, in my opinion, as again victimizing JBR, after all, it is HER family.

I will continue to stick my neck out as well, and NOT participate in blaming, implicating, defaming this family. PERIOD!

I agree with you both! The only reason I even post about the absurd theory of Burke did it is to make sure that the FACTS are out there. How sad, how pathetic that this child has to be accused, suspected or whatever on the internet for all to see and read for the murder of his sister!!! That is sick! I will keep posting that Burke is cleared until the day I die! Burke has been cleared!!!!

 

[Seeker]

Thanks Jasmine, I've enjoyed yours too!
I never mind listening to the reasons why some think Patsy did it, as strange as that might sound coming from me, who feels certain she didn't, I listen because I think "maybe I'm missing something here". So far, I feel secure in that I haven't missed anything, (nothing leaked or available at least). I listen, though, because it's ,at least, a curiosity that so many think she is responsible. When the forum starts in on an innocent child, I feel I have a responsibility to my own belief system to draw the line and not become part of what I consider slanderous activity.
Slander ( for BC and others) :the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
There is not ONE fact pointing toward this child's being considered anything other than "not a suspect", "cleared", " not considered a suspect at any time" by anyone including the owner of the above quotes, the DA. When speaking of a child, whom would find it more difficult to deal with a damaged reputation, it is cruel. IMO
The adults who were presented by police, tabs, books etc. as being under some umbrella, yeah, sadly they are all fair game in a debate. We do nothing but rehash info, look up facts..try to build a case or dispute one..with the facts and info we can find. That is what forums are all about, sharing ideas and debating others. IMO..there is no place for a discussion concerning an innocent child as murderer.

The word you would be looking for is LIABLE. I haven't liabled anyone or said that BDI. I merely pointed out that he was never actually investigated or factually and legally cleared. Just because you don't believe what is fact doesn't mean you can liable me in the process.

 

[sissi]

You are right to a point, libel was always considered the published word ,where slander was considered the spoken word, however there have been incidents concerning e-mails and computer activity which made it necessary to blur the law a bit. Our forums are nothing more than typed conversations, they would likely not be considered published or libel. But yes the area is fuzzy.

 

[BlueCrab]

I commend you for your integrity! No one has the right to defame this little boy, nor his parents. It is the same, in my opinion, as again victimizing JBR, after all, it is HER family.

I will continue to stick my neck out as well, and NOT participate in blaming, implicating, defaming this family. PERIOD!

Fran,

Okay, you say no Ramsey family member killed JonBenet nor knows who killed her. That means the killer has to be an intruder, correct?

Please provide your EVIDENCE there was an intruder.

Thanks.

JMO

 

[sariebell]

I am not suggesting that those of you who wet the bed as children were abused. I am telling you that as a teacher, I was taught to look for problem signs. I have also been taught in other professions (caring for Mentally Retarded Adults) that urinating or defecating on oneself is a red flag for sexual abuse. I did not say that this means definitely that Burke or JonBenet or both were sexually abused. I just find it interesting that there was evidence of sexual abuse of JonBenet, there was evidence of a bedwetting issue by JonBenet and there was suggestion (via these "Bonita Papers") that Burke was a bedwetter as well. Interesting intersection in my mind.

I am not one to get into huge arguments over things, but I used to follow this case daily. I think I stopped checking in for two reasons:

Some people just like to argue and I'm not necessarily one of them.
Nothing new was coming in.

It's nice to check in and get new information. Although I do consider the source important, I don't dismiss the source because it is not one that some people deem credible. In many ways, I deem the Boulder DA's office more incredible than any Enquirer article, because I think they were bought and sold by the Ramsey's. That's just my opinion.

I have tossed around many theories on this crime over the years. Sometimes, friends want to discuss it with me and I know so many little things about it that it's hard to talk about. I don't think any of us know who did it, but the most convincing argument I have heard so far is BDI.

I am an elementary school teacher. I regret to say there are plenty of elementary aged kids that I encounter who are worthy of some pretty sordid things. I disagree with the argument that he is too young to be able to commit sexual assault or murder or both. Perhaps some people just haven't met the right kids.

I am happy to be getting back in the habit of posting and reading here and I hope to find myself welcomed back again. If anyone feels it an invasion of previous arguments, however, just let me know and I will lurk.

Take care,
sarie

 

[Fran Bancroft]

The word you would be looking for is LIABLE. I haven't liabled anyone or said that BDI. I merely pointed out that he was never actually investigated or factually and legally cleared. Just because you don't believe what is fact doesn't mean you can liable me in the process.

Actually, the word is LIBEL not Liable. Written=libel. Spoken=slander.

 

[Fran Bancroft]

Fran,

Okay, you say no Ramsey family member killed JonBenet nor knows who killed her. That means the killer has to be an intruder, correct?

Please provide your EVIDENCE there was an intruder.

Thanks.

JMO

Well, you should again look at my post that you quoted. It does not say what you claim I said. However, what you "claim" I stated does closely reflect my opinion. Even so, "I" am not the investigator, nor the DA. I have no "burden". I simply have an opinion.

Thus far, I am of the opinion that the family, consisting of John, Patsy, and Burke, are not murderers. Further, that without anyone of them having been convicted of a murder, it is wrong to accuse and defame them.

I will absolutely continue to point out what, IMO, is significant. I enjoy the discussion with you.

BC, I especially enjoy your posts. I will continue to push for accuracy and refinement, but please do not ever think it is personal if my opinion differs from yours. What is the saying-Iron sharpens Iron?

I look forward to more discussion with you, BC.