*DEVELOPING*CO Shooting at Movie Theater #1

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  • #601
I'm sorry.... I don't mean to ask if it's already been answered, but

When they say 50 wounded, have all of those people been shot? Or are there injuries from tear gas as well?
 
  • #602
Whoa: No one's saying unattractive or fat or dirty people are inherently evil or that blank stares mean blank souls.

Listen, IMO, appearances of killers or people who do horrific things are very, very important. I have been taught since I was small to use and hone my powers of observation. IMO, everyone should.

There is, often, a common "look" or similarities in expression, to people who do things like this. There is, often, a common look or similarities in expression to people who are evil or people who have suffered a psychotic break, have been brainwashed or whatever. I think conversation about that look is important because if you can catalogue it and file it away, if you ever notice that look in a family member or friend who is suddenly acting differently or in a stranger who is acting oddly, you may be able to do something that could save yourself or the person you know.

I can't say if this person is sane or not, or just evil, but something in his eyes and smile looks a bit like Jared Loughner to me.

Does that mean that everyone who suffers from a mental issue has a look? Of course not. Does that mean that "normal"-looking people can't be killers, or can't be evil? Of course not. But appearances can tell us a lot. And those trained in observation, like the Israeli forces at the airport and air marshals, well know that.

I'm a big believer in gut feelings. I am. There's just not enough in a photo to capture a one's intent. Those who are trained in observation do just that. They observe people. Not photos. IMHO there are people on this thread taking a picture of a perfectly attractive (physically, at least) young man and seeing things that just can't be observed in a photo alone. And what's worse, they are citing what's wrong with his physical features.
 
  • #603
Yeah. Finding out how he got in there is going to answer a lot of questions.

Thanks, this is what I am trying to get across, but I guess it wasn't coming out right.

I want it investigated how he got into the theater. That's all, if it is him who propped the door open then I will let it go. But I want it FULLY investigated, and not just stated that they don't think there is another shooter.

I am know there is no other shooter. But there very well could be an accomplice that helped him get into the theater. That's a crime in itself! The person that let him in doesn't have to shoot people, to be an accomplice!
 
  • #604
I'm sorry.... I don't mean to ask if it's already been answered, but

When they say 50 wounded, have all of those people been shot? Or are there injuries from tear gas as well?

71 people shot. 12 Dead, 59 injured (gunshots).
 
  • #605
I'm sorry.... I don't mean to ask if it's already been answered, but

When they say 50 wounded, have all of those people been shot? Or are there injuries from tear gas as well?

The press conference they just had on CNN said 59 people and those are gun shot wounds, including one person shot in a connected theater when a bullet penetrated a wall.
 
  • #606
:what:

So where is this guy now?!

I don't know, that's why I want this investigated. So if there was someone that let him in, he can be charged as well.

However if it was the shooter, then we can put this issue to bed.

As this story is very fluid, a full investigation has not been done yet, so it may come out in later. I just want it investigated fully.
 
  • #607
71 people shot. 12 Dead, 59 injured (gunshots).

Holy cow.

And one more question, sorry:

They say he entered the emergency exit at the rear of the theatre-- next to the screen, or next to the back row?
 
  • #608
I' not blaming anyone for this except the shooter, all I am simply saying is the guy that answered the phone needs to be investigated to see if it is in fact the same person as the shooter, or if it was someone else that may have helped him get into the theater, such as an accomplice.

Please do not twist my words. That is not what I am saying at all. I just want it ruled out without a doubt that there is no other accomplice. The witness's are saying something completely different, and I tend to trust them more the law officials right now, because that actually saw something, where as the police are just going off of what they are being told.

I hope the police investigate this, even if it is just simply to rule out that someone helped this shooter.

I whole heartedly agree with this. I have been hearing this account since this morning. The person on the phone definitely needs to be checked out. Witnesses that I heard give accounts say that that person never left the theater, but only propped the door looking out for someone and then came back and sat down. The person on the phone needs to be found and ruled out or it needs to be determined that he was actually the gunman, though accounts do not indicate that the person left the theater.
 
  • #609
The witnesses just say someone went to the door from inside the theater.

The official word is that the gunman himself is the one who propped open the door.

"The gunman went to the rear door of the theater and propped it open, then tossed in a canister before starting to shoot, according to a federal law enforcement source involved in the investigation."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


BBM - exactly, and I'm positive that the investigators know more than we do about who was or was not responsible for this mass mayhem.
 
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I'm very disturbed by the Mother's comments/reaction. I can understand being aware of a child's mental unstability...but that doesn't typically equate into a mass murder. She seemed completely UNshocked by what he had done.
 
  • #612
The fact that he allowed himself to be taken, alive, and without resisting says to me that he has something to say to the world. It may be delusional, but he has something to say. (Like Timothy McVeigh maybe.)


That and the fact he told the police his apt was booby trapped is very very surprising. Apparently it was quite an extensive job and may take days to clear. Why would he go to all that trouble then give them that information. I think you are correct, some sort of twisted attention getting delusional statement he is trying to make.
 
  • #613
nutkin said:
Early 20s is when a lot of mental illnesses first show up. He is 24 so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that this is some sort of delusional psychosis. Dropping out of med school suddenly and having no prior record does seem to give that theory merit.

That is true, but there is a sort of 'split' in ages/gender with the onset of schizophrenia. Males tend to start showing sings earlier - i.e. late teens / earlier twenties, while females have a tendency to start showing symptoms in the late twenties. That's not to say girls cannot start showing symptoms earlier on, it is just more rare.

It is also rare for someone to start showing symptoms in their 40's, but it does happen. I know this as a personal fact.
 
  • #614
did he maybe think this would be an alibi, and that he'd get away with it?

or was it so that someone would call police and they'd try to enter apartment?

crazy

It really makes me wonder if the apartment isn't booby trapped but instead it was set to detonate around midnight and failed.
 
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I'm a big believer in gut feelings. I am. There's just not enough in a photo to capture a one's intent. Those who are trained in observation do just that. They observe people. Not photos. IMHO there are people on this thread taking a picture of a perfectly attractive (physically, at least) young man and seeing things that just can't be observed in a photo alone. And what's worse, they are citing what's wrong with his physical features.

But that is your opinion. Which is subjective. I do not think people are necessarily seeing things that can't be observed in a photo. They are seeing what they see, based on their experiences.

Do you see something wrong in the faces of these people?:
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Hysteria.jpg/450px-Hysteria.jpg

How about this guy?:
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http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02046/Giffords3_2046511b.jpg

I have a book called Wisconsin Death Trip that contains some pictures of psychotics. It's pretty easy to tell, based on their photos.

Also, I took the online test asking to pick out photos of murderers versus photos of computer techs, or something like that. I scored 90%.

Photos can tell more than you might think and some people can tell more from them than others. :moo:
 
  • #617
Thanks, this is what I am trying to get across, but I guess it wasn't coming out right.

I want it investigated how he got into the theater. That's all, if it is him who propped the door open then I will let it go. But I want it FULLY investigated, and not just stated that they don't think there is another shooter.

I am know there is no other shooter. But there very well could be an accomplice that helped him get into the theater. That's a crime in itself! The person that let him in doesn't have to shoot people, to be an accomplice!

I totally understand your questions and concerns. It's only normal to wonder how in the world this could have happened??!! Someone opened that door and I very seriously doubt that it opened from the outside. This is extremely important and I'm sure the investigators will get to the bottom of it. My very first thought, after "Oh, my God, please be with these people!!" was, "Now, how in the heck did he get in there?" If I saw someone come through an exit door with a gas mask on, I wouldn't even need to see a gun, I'd be scared to absolute death. Sounds like chaos broke out immediately after he entered. So, if someone else opened that door, where is that someone now? If he acted alone, this took a lot of planning.
 
  • #618
It really makes me wonder if the apartment isn't booby trapped but instead it was set to detonate around midnight and failed.

The door was unlocked and loud music was playing.. I think he wanted someone who lived there to open the door
 
  • #619
did he maybe think this would be an alibi, and that he'd get away with it?

or was it so that someone would call police and they'd try to enter apartment?

crazy

My speculation is that he wanted LE to respond to the loud disturbance complaint and enter the apartment, setting off whatever he has in there.

JMOO
 
  • #620
I totally understand your questions and concerns. It's only normal to wonder how in the world this could have happened??!! Someone opened that door and I very seriously doubt that it opened from the outside. This is extremely important and I'm sure the investigators will get to the bottom of it. My very first thought, after "Oh, my God, please be with these people!!" was, "Now, how in the heck did he get in there?" If I saw someone come through an exit door with a gas mask on, I wouldn't even need to see a gun, I'd be scared to absolute death. Sounds like chaos broke out immediately after he entered. So, if someone else opened that door, where is that someone now? If he acted alone, this took a lot of planning.[/QUOTE]

It was very thoroughly planned. He created chemical bombs in his apartment, that alone took time and planning.
 
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