*DEVELOPING*CO Shooting at Movie Theater #3

[pinkflamingo]

Here is the link. Apparently no one opened that package, if fox news is to be believed.

"James Holmes, the accused gunman in last Friday's midnight movie massacre in Colorado, mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to a University of Colorado psychiatrist before the attack, but the parcel sat unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, a law enforcement source told FoxNews.com."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/#ixzz21eEexAK5

Wow, that really stinks that no one opened the package- why would they not open it? I smell lawsuit.. this tragedy could have been averted.

 

[jjenny]

Wow, that really stinks that no one opened the package- why would they not open it? I smell lawsuit.. this tragedy could have been averted.

I don't think you can sue someone for not opening the package. Police just went up there because of two suspicious packages, although fox news claims this notebook was not one of those packages, I am not convinced fox news got its dates right.

 

[pinkflamingo]

Wow, that really stinks that no one opened the package- why would they not open it? I smell lawsuit.. this tragedy could have been averted.

Also- this was his cry for help--- he knew he needed it. Wow...stunned. He probably didn't think anyone cared about him.

 

[pinkflamingo]

I don't think you can sue someone for not opening the package.
I am also not convinced fox news got its dates right.

it just seems so careless, to not open your mail... if he had a relationship with the psychologist, and they just ignored the package...

 

[cece5300]

Oh my gosh that is so so sad on so many levels ;(

 

[prima.facie]

Also- this was his cry for help--- he knew he needed it. Wow...stunned. He probably didn't think anyone cared about him.

they are reporting what their law enforcement source is saying....
i have no reason to doubt fox on reporting this...

 

[jjenny]

they are reporting what their law enforcement source is saying....
i have no reason to doubt fox on reporting this...

There is a gag order. So who is their source? When was the package send and when did it arrive?

 

[prima.facie]

There is a gag order. So who is their source? When was the package send and when did it arrive?

im not going to get on some "fox is faux" debate because that tends to be a political issue and it is not the point of this thread nor discussion...

i see people here reporting things from............daily mail :floorlaugh: which is more about celebrity gossip than real news....

i dont know who fox's source is. i dont work there. you saw the same info i saw.

just posting news as i heard it.

 

[jjenny]

it just seems so careless, to not open your mail... if he had a relationship with the psychologist, and they just ignored the package...

What would you do then? And fox couldn't confirm that this psychiatrist actually knew JH.

 

[pinkflamingo]

IMO he psychiatrist should have been on top of mail- not opening packages is careless. Should have discovered it and turned it over to police. It supposedly sat unopened for a week?! I'm sure more will come out about this. If there was a record of a relationship between the two, and the psychiatrist was ignoring packages from a disturbed patient who had recently gone radically downhill, I could see some of the victims suing the school. It makes a lot more sense than suing WB IMO.

 

[prima.facie]

IMO he psychiatrist should have been on top of mail- not opening packages is careless. Should have discovered it and turned it over to police. It supposedly sat unopened for a week?! I'm sure more will come out about this. If there was a record of a relationship between the two, and the psychiatrist was ignoring packages from a disturbed patient who had recently gone radically downhill, I could see some of the victims suing the school. It makes a lot more sense than suing WB IMO.

the story reported is fluid...it could change....

with that said....it sat in a MAILROOM not the professors office. the MAILROOM which is more than likely where all mail to the university is delivered.

apparently the prof got a package he/she thought was from JH and contacted LE...FBI showed up, package was not from JH but they did a search and came across the package that was in the mailroom.

if anyone is to blame for the lack of delivery to the prof in time, it would be whomever is in charge of the mailroom and didnt get people's mail delivered....NOT the psychiatrist/professor....


ETA for clarification....im not saying blame the mailroom....my point was that the professor should not be blamed for not having the package, opened and in LEs hands before JH acted out his plan...

 

[Mosby]

Also- this was his cry for help--- he knew he needed it. Wow...stunned. He probably didn't think anyone cared about him.

I totally agree. If only the package had been opened. So sad.

 

[cece5300]

Not opening mail in a timely manner is not a criminal offense. I CAN see people suing, though, seeing as people sue for every little thing. We're going to start placing blame for someone not opening mail now?

I do agree it's awful that the package wasn't opened in time to prevent this. But it's still no ones fault. No one opens their mail in a hurry (you know, in case it might be a notebook full of plans to go on a murdering spree). No one saw this coming.

 

[jjenny]

IMO he psychiatrist should have been on top of mail- not opening packages is careless. Should have discovered it and turned it over to police. It supposedly sat unopened for a week?! I'm sure more will come out about this. If there was a record of a relationship between the two, and the psychiatrist was ignoring packages from a disturbed patient who had recently gone radically downhill, I could see some of the victims suing the school. It makes a lot more sense than suing WB IMO.

Maybe the psychiatrist was on vacation. Maybe the package was misplaced. How do you know why this psychiatrist didn't open his or her mail? Why do you assume psychiatrist was ignoring the package?

 

[21merc7]

I read it as the packages sat in the mail room for a week. That could be up to the mail room personnel to put it in mailboxes, someone could be on vacation, any number of things. So the psychiatrist did not ignore, you cannot ignore something you have no knowledge of. Also, if they sat there a week, and police just got them Monday, then Fox has the dates wrong. Who knows if they were there a week or only over the weekend.

Since there is a gag order, we must be cautious of leaked info, even though that is all we have right now.

Don't forget the news of suspicious packages arriving Monday - while everyone was watching defendant in Court, right?

 

[jjenny]

Not opening mail in a timely manner is not a criminal offense. I CAN see people suing, though, seeing as people sue for every little thing. We're going to start placing blame for someone not opening mail now?

ITA. Some people appear to have a burning desire to blame everyone and everything except the actual suspect. For reasons that elude me.

 

[pinkflamingo]

Maybe the psychiatrist was on vacation. Maybe the package was misplaced How do you know why this psychiatrist didn't open his or her mail? Why do you assume psychiatrist was ignoring the package?

I think there will be more to come on this relationship. It sounds like there were warning signs... too early to tell exactly what was going on...

 

[jjenny]

I think there will be more to come on this relationship. It sounds like there were warning signs... too early to tell exactly what was going on...

There is a doctor client confidentiality. Even if JH actually visited this psychiatrist, for whatever issues, the psychiatrist can not warn anyone that JH has issues. Unless he has some direct knowledge that JH is a danger to someone.

 

[pinkflamingo]

ITA. Some people appear to have a burning desire to blame everyone and everything except the actual suspect. For reasons that elude me.

I completely blame JH for his actions. However if there were step by step instructions mailed preceding the attack, it warrants some further investigation, right? if it turns out that there is evidence that he talked about this, and no reports were filed, is it still 100% JH's fault?

 

[jjenny]

I completely blame JH for his actions. However if there were step by step instructions mailed preceding the attack, it warrants some further investigation, right? if it turns out that there is evidence that he talked about this, and no reports were filed, is it still 100% JH's fault?

Of course it warrants investigation. Everything JH did prior to rampage is going to be investigated. But the only way psychiatrist could warn someone about JH is if he had direct knowledge JH was a danger to someone. Otherwise psychiatrists have to abide by doctor patient confidentiality.