*DEVELOPING*CO Shooting at Movie Theater #3

[DEPUTYDAWG]

This article claims he bought the rifle "hours" after he failed the exam.
I think it stated that was June 7th.

Didn't he start buying other weaponry/ammo in May? So I'm not sure of the timeline of his gun purchases, other than the last one was in July, correct?

I need to go back and find out that info, I'm confusing myself :waitasec:


http://gma.yahoo.com/james-holmes-b...niversity-074214315--abc-news-topstories.html

 

[cece5300]

Absolutely. It will be covered in the same manner as non-televised trials and Court proceedings. I guess the most recent comparison would be the coverage of the Sandusky trial

I'm actually OK with this. The Anthony trial (*shudder*) was a complete circus and I can't help but think of CA when I see this shooter. Remember during her trial she made herself look so pathetic and sick and sad for the jury and for the cameras?

For me, the verdict is still out as to the shooter's mental state so I'm trying to refrain from making any solid judgment, but IF he's faking something or trying to convince people he is mentally ill, it's very reminiscent of CA for me. In that case, I'll be very glad that he is not going to be awarded any camera time.

On another note, I, too, find it interesting that some victims said he was silent while others said he was screaming. Was it only the 2 girls (Stephanie and her friend?) who said he was yelling at people, or were there others? In times of trauma or shock, maybe sometimes things get blurred and confused. Maybe they heard screaming/yelling on screen and thought it was the shooter? Or maybe, like PP said, they were in closer proximity to him and could hear him? Maybe people who said he was silent were confused because the movie was so loud they couldn't hear him? Not that it is of dire importance or anything, but I do wonder if the shooter really said anything...I almost feel like him being silent during the whole thing is scarier than him screaming.

 

[BigCat]

I read he was shooting the people that ran, one report said something about him telling the people to run (of course I am sure some of the folks that were sitting were also sprayed in the process, but he was aiming at those that ran).

To me that is interesting, just like the explosives that were rigged to go off IF someone opened the door. There is an element of chance/free will on the part of the victims that decides their fate. Reminds me a bit of Anton Chigurh flipping a coin (in the movie No Country for Old Men).

That's an interesting point. The fate vs free will debate, or nature vs nuture debate, lies at the heart of neuroscience. Actually, there is no debate within neuroscience. Science is firmly on the side of nature. Free will does not exit.

Tom Wolfe wrote an excellent essay on the emerging science in the mid 90's.

Sorry, But Your Soul Just Died

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/Wolfe-Sorry-But-Your-Soul-Just-Died.php

Wilson has created and named the new field of sociobiology, and he has compressed its underlying premise into a single sentence. Every human brain, he says, is born not as a blank tablet (a tabula rasa) waiting to be filled in by experience but as "an exposed negative waiting to be slipped into developer fluid." You can develop the negative well or you can develop it poorly, but either way you are going to get precious little that is not already imprinted on the film. The print is the individual's genetic history, over thousands of years of evolution, and there is not much anybody can do about it. Furthermore, says Wilson, genetics determine not only things such as temperament, role preferences, emotional responses, and levels of aggression, but also many of our most revered moral choices, which are not choices at all in any free–will sense but tendencies imprinted in the hypothalamus and limbic regions of the brain, a concept expanded upon in 1993 in a much–talked–about book, The Moral Sense, by James Q. Wilson (no kin to Edward O.).

I believe Cormac McCarthy had neuroscience in mind when he created Chigurh. McCarthy is an artist-in-residence at the Santa Fe Institute, a place where world-class scientists come together to discuss the new developments in scientific research, so he's very familiar with neuroscience.

The character of Chigurh was actually more cold-blooded in the novel than he was in the movie. Right before he shoots the woman at the end, he says to her:

"When I came into your life your life was over. It had a beginning, a middle, and and a end. This is the end. You can say things could have turned out differently. That they could have been some other way. But what does that mean? They are not some other way. They are this way. You're asking that I second say the world. Do you see?"

Chigurh disavows any moral responsibility for killing. It's simply the way things are. In my opinion, McCarthy sees such a worldview as nihilistic. But he's old man, with his belief in the soul, and this is no country for an old man. The new man is cold and nihilistic, like Chigurh and James Holmes.

 

[Sonya610]

On another note, I, too, find it interesting that some victims said he was silent while others said he was screaming. Was it only the 2 girls (Stephanie and her friend?) who said he was yelling at people, or were there others? In times of trauma or shock, maybe sometimes things get blurred and confused. Maybe they heard screaming/yelling on screen and thought it was the shooter? Or maybe, like PP said, they were in closer proximity to him and could hear him? Maybe people who said he was silent were confused because the movie was so loud they couldn't hear him? Not that it is of dire importance or anything, but I do wonder if the shooter really said anything...I almost feel like him being silent during the whole thing is scarier than him screaming.

They could possibly hear him before the shooting started, but afterwards it seems pretty doubtful. Lots of noise from people screaming, the gunfire and movie playing, plus the guy was wearing a gas mask and that would surely muffle his voice.

If someone were very close to him they might be able to hear him but if they were a distance away it would probably be way to chaotic to know who was yelling what.

 

[21merc7]

Supported by a prestigious federal grant, Holmes, 24, was in the first year of a program at the Anschutz Medical Campus dedicated to neuroscience, studying such topics as how the brain works or malfunctions or helping develop drugs to treat epilepsy and other disorders.


But it is not behavioral science or psychology, experts say.

David Eagleman, who runs the Initiative on Neuroscience and the Law at Baylor University, said some neuroscientists are experts in mental illnesses and aberrant behavior, but others spend most of their time studying molecular chemistry.

"It's really only a fraction of professors" who could identify a simmering mental disorder, Eagleman said. "Many people in neuroscience are not specialized in the issue of picking up mental illness ... There are plenty of people who just study mice and cats and stuff like that."

The school refuses to say what specifically Holmes studied. But an online syllabus listed him as making a presentation in May during a class called "Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders."

more at link:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8748335

 

[~n/t~]

At the camp, Holmes was responsible for “the care and guidance of a group of approximately 10 children," Randy Schwab, CEO of Jewish Big Brothers Big Sisters of Los Angeles, wrote in a statement published by the Times. He added that Holmes' role was to help children "learn confidence, self-esteem and how to work in small teams" to affect "positive outcomes."

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world...a-jewish-summer-camp-says-l-a-report-1.452713

 

[hollye]

Thanks! I also found this, which was linked to a Denver post article. This gives a great idea of the layout including where some of the victims were sitting.. http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2012/0721/20120721_015723_CD0721SHOOTSCENE.jpg

Awesome find, nephers! Looking at this, I am wondering if, by balcony, victim JR just meant the 2nd tier of the theater, not an actual balcony. Many of the theaters that I have been in have an aisle midway through the tiers with seating for those in wheelchairs, etc. could he have just meant the upper tier, instead of an actual balcony? And when he said he jumped over the balcony, he actually only jumped over the railing in front of the upper tier?

 

[Sonya610]

Awesome find, nephers! Looking at this, I am wondering if, by balcony, victim JR just meant the 2nd tier of the theater, not an actual balcony. Many of the theaters that I have been in have an aisle midway through the tiers with seating for those in wheelchairs, etc. could he have just meant the upper tier, instead of an actual balcony? And when he said he jumped over the balcony, he actually only jumped over the railing in front of the upper tier?

Interesting theater diagram but it shows where the people WERE sitting, were they sitting there when they were shot? I wonder if the purpose for the gas bombs was to make people scatter and make them standing/moving targets, I have to admit I would much more likely to get up and run if someone threw a gas bomb next to me more so than from gunfire which would make many people want to hit the deck.

Where were the majority of victims when they were shot? The map just identifies where a few were sitting.

 

[HastingsChi]

While we earlier displayed that the monster was posting on a escort review site, we may have been wrong about the user name but the monster was a client of several escorts:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/batman_fiend_visited_hookers_before_crs5MSLNJth7n0L1RfhsOI

Colo. theater 'gunman' visited hookers before 'Dark Knight' massacre

“Tiffany” said Holmes was a good customer: “I had no issues with him … he was really nice.”

The alleged mass murderer even took pity on Tiffany when the call girl said she was hurting for business.

"He felt bad that I wasn’t getting more customers while in Colorado, so he called a few days later and we met up again.”

 

[~n/t~]

I was looking for the reenactment video they keep showing on CNN/HLN so I went to Youtube but couldn't find it.

I did find this though. Hope it's ok to post.

[video=youtube;ul0i-8MgwMc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul0i-8MgwMc[/video]

 

[~n/t~]

Found it

[video=youtube;sI_Kn6eCYJU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI_Kn6eCYJU[/video]

 

[~n/t~]

While we earlier displayed that the monster was posting on a escort review site, we may have been wrong about the user name but the monster was a client of several escorts:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/batman_fiend_visited_hookers_before_crs5MSLNJth7n0L1RfhsOI

Colo. theater 'gunman' visited hookers before 'Dark Knight' massacre

FWIW...I'm really starting to question all these characters coming forward now. We had that guy who said he had a drink at the bar with the suspect but it turns out he may be lying and now this woman.

Not sure I believe any of this. Some people like to insert themselves for whatever reason.

 

[hollye]

One thing that I wonder. The person that works up in the movie booth? Was there somebody up there?

SBM

IME, there is usually only one person working in the booth who is responsible for starting all shows. If 2 showing are starting at almost the same time, they may get someone to start one of them. That person usually stays to make sure that the film starts properly and then moves on. Since it was a first showing, the person may very well have been up there "enjoying the show.". However, I believe there were other shows starting fairly soon after in other theaters, so they were likely working on getting those started.

 

[Sonya610]

I was looking for the reenactment video they keep showing on CNN/HLN so I went to Youtube but couldn't find it.

I did find this though. Hope it's ok to post.

Aurora theater shooting animation reenactment 重现丹佛枪击现场: 血洗《蝙è*ä¾*》戲院 - YouTube

Good video, thanks. Interesting how the kid eye witness said they thought it was fake, until Holmes shot at the ceiling, and then panic ensued.

 

[~n/t~]

Good video, thanks. Interesting how the kid eye witness said they thought it was fake, until Holmes shot at the ceiling, and then panic ensued.

Here is another one by ABC News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=viFAIOzszQ8

 

[CARIIS]

Found it

SNN: CO MOVIE THEATER SHOOTING, ANIMATED REENACTMENT - YouTube

AWESOME thank you ! Gave me more creeps that he just stood, in beginning in one place dont know why

and its bugging me but someone posted (and I think it true amazed I never thought that way) but he told police about apt cause he wanted them to go in and get killed NOT IMO like he decided to spare apt!

This fits with report he said I am Joker, so he remained delusioial at that moment, clueless that he would never see light of day again!

 

[songline]

This article claims he bought the rifle "hours" after he failed the exam.
I think it stated that was June 7th.

Didn't he start buying other weaponry/ammo in May? So I'm not sure of the timeline of his gun purchases, other than the last one was in July, correct?

I need to go back and find out that info, I'm confusing myself :waitasec:


http://gma.yahoo.com/james-holmes-b...niversity-074214315--abc-news-topstories.html

he did have 4 peices.
so the purchase was spaced out a little.
Yes he started in May from all I have read.

 

[HastingsChi]

FWIW...I'm really starting to question all these characters coming forward now. We had that guy who said he had a drink at the bar with the suspect but it turns out he may be lying and now this woman.

Not sure I believe any of this. Some people like to insert themselves for whatever reason.

I completely agree ~n/t~ I'm only sharing it because it's out there and sadly will be prominent in today's MSM coverage.


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[21merc7]

While we earlier displayed that the monster was posting on a escort review site, we may have been wrong about the user name but the monster was a client of several escorts:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/batman_fiend_visited_hookers_before_crs5MSLNJth7n0L1RfhsOI

Colo. theater 'gunman' visited hookers before 'Dark Knight' massacre

The alleged mass murderer even took pity on Tiffany when the call girl said she was hurting for business.

"He felt bad that I wasn’t getting more customers while in Colorado, so he called a few days later and we met up again.”

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Yeah right, that's why he called again. I'm sorry, but that's just hilarious. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Yeah right, that's why he called again. I'm sorry, but that's just hilarious. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

LOL, so true.

First, because let me see, he got sex (I suppose, or maybe they just "talked") out of the visit; and

Secondly, what...because he was such a great, caring, empathetic person that thought of others' plight(s).....????

Oh wait, he's a mass murderer.