Did JonBenet Accidentally Kill Herself?

[Casshew]

Please tell that to the families of the eight and nine year old victims who are in their graves because they accidentally killed themselves foolishly trying to practice autoerotic asphyxiation.

Wasn't JonBenet 6?

 

[BlueCrab]

HOWEVER, I do not dismiss, a likely suspect could possibly be the young college tutor of the Stine boy. I no doubt think that this young man was left to 'babysit' both the Stine boy and Burke, for a fair amount of time. So the time spent with three youthful boys/men could have come up with the 'technique'.

Camper,

I agree. Practitioners of AEA are usually young males in their teens and twenties. In this theory the tutor of AEA could have been Nathan Inouye, Doug Stine's college student, live-in baby sitter.

However, due to the contents of John Andrew's blue suitcase in the basement (a Dr. Seuss book, a pillow sham and a comforter with JAR's semen on it, and fibers from the comforter on JonBenet's vaginal area), I think I would lean toward John Andrew Ramsey as the children's tutor of AEA.

It would also better explain the need for the Ramsey's lies and coverup.

JMO

 

[BlueCrab]

Wasn't JonBenet 6?

Casshew,

I realize that's a rhetorical question, but I'll answer it anyway.

Yes, JonBenet was six -- going on 16.

JMO

 

[Camper]

Yes Cass, she was 6 years old. My observation of children, and that of once being 6 years old myself, that is an age when investigatory thingies occur regarding ones sexual equipment. Playing doctor etc.

Blue Crab at one time it was either I or someone else who actually found an online great picture of the tutor. A strapping young man, had an ethnic look about him, asian as I recall.

Remember our Senator Daniel Inouye, was asian.

Wonderment prevailed years ago here on this forum about whether the tutor might in fact be related to the senator. My memory has dimmed over time.

I would hope that we could get Midnite interested in this case, hmmm. Give him a rest after Laci and Connor, then lets approach him.



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[sissi]

Children can do a lot of weird things while at play, however BC we must remember this was not a time for play. If Jonbenet had been out playing and found dead in a neighbors garage the scenario could have pointed toward older children , children that were sick, lured her in, and used her in "their" game.
The timing was off for play, this was the end of Christmas day, all of the children were accounted for and in their beds. For a child to come in during the night and take her to the basement would indicate a child with a premeditated crime in mind. This was no accident!

We have to consider the exhaustion of the Ramsey kids at the end of the day, as well. They were up by six'ish WENT TO GET their parents early on that Christmas morning ,before going down stairs, and had a very busy day.
These weren't kids who were setting a midnight playdate, or kids that wandered downstairs in the middle of the night by themselves.

Someone entered that house, whether their motive originated with burglary and escalated to kidnapping is something we can't know. In the days preceding her murder , Boulder had been experiencing almost daily break-ins ,those suddenly stopped after Christmas day. Could it be a total stranger? Given the note, one wouldn't think this, however we don't know how much time the killer had in the house to familiarize himself with family details, and to ogle pictures of Jonbenet.
To be considered ,as well, is the possibility that the burglar was a neighbor.
One who had experience with the Ramsey family.
Perps often feel more comfortable working within their own level of society and in their own neighborhoods.
Could it be a babysitter, of course it could be, but to suggest this involved little Jonbenet or Burke in the planning of, or sharing in ,the crime is IMO outrageous.

 

[Sprocket]

YAWN. BIG YAWN, on this theory.

 

[Casshew]

Yes, JonBenet was six -- going on 16.

Okay if you are saying that mentally, emotionally JonBenet was much older than 6 you also have to realize that physically ~ she was still 6.

IMO a 6 year old child, with the excitement of Christmas and Santa's visit just that day, parties and visits with friends... a busy busy day.. would have been exhausted and dreaming of sugar cookies in her bed... not sneaking off to have an autoerotic asphyxiation orgasms in the basement.

A while back I posted this article about a boy with a history of playing pranks hanging himself... I was suspicious that it was one of these AEA deals, but of course that was not mentioned.

 

[BlueCrab]

Wonderment prevailed years ago here on this forum about whether the tutor might in fact be related to the senator. My memory has dimmed over time.

Camper,

Nathan Inouye is not related to U.S. Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii. I got that right from the horse's mouth.

JMO

 

[BlueCrab]

Okay if you are saying that mentally, emotionally JonBenet was much older than 6 you also have to realize that physically ~ she was still 6.

IMO a 6 year old child, with the excitement of Christmas and Santa's visit just that day, parties and visits with friends... a busy busy day.. would have been exhausted and dreaming of sugar cookies in her bed... not sneaking off to have an autoerotic asphyxiation orgasms in the basement.

A while back I posted this article about a boy with a history of playing pranks hanging himself... I was suspicious that it was one of these AEA deals, but of course that was not mentioned.

Casshew,

Nevertheless, there JonBenet was, dead with an AEA device around her neck. It could have been forced on her, of course, but why such an elaborate device to strangle someone? All the perp would have needed was a simple garrote, or his bare hands.

JonBenet was only six years old, but there was evidence of chronic sexual activity that would expected to have been seen only in a teen.

JMO

 

[BrotherMoon]

BrotherMoon,

While you're feeling sorry for the 19-year-old Kitty Kat who's deaf, you can also feel sorry for people who are much older than 19 and are totally deaf to any evidence that doesn't fit THEIR theory of the crime.

(Incidentally BrotherMoon, where's that ONE item of credible evidence I asked you to come up with that can be used to prove Patsy killed JonBenet? You don't have any, do you? But don't feel bad. An investigative grand jury with its own professional investigative staff spent 13 months trying to come up with one item of credible evidence against Patsy, and FAILED.)

JMO

Needle, needle, closer to the edge.

 

[sissi]

I must agree with Blue Crab, however I wonder why BC doesn't agree with his own words. There clearly was no evidence to indicate any Ramsey killed Jonbenet.
Why can't we "move on" and consider the killer was an intruder?

 

[BrotherMoon]

I must agree with Blue Crab, however I wonder why BC doesn't agree with his own words. There clearly was no evidence to indicate any Ramsey killed Jonbenet.
Why can't we "move on" and consider the killer was an intruder?

Move on yourself, keep moving, go, go away.

 

[sissi]

Now,now BrotherMoon, I would suggest some can "move on" and open their minds to alternate ideas, but I would never suggest anyone to "go away".
I was talking with my autistic nephew last night, and I thought, hmm, he comes up with some pretty unacceptable comments. He's a virtual encyclopedia of information but just can't get those social skills down.

 

[deputylinda]

Deputylinda,

Making believe it isn't there, because it doesn't fit your theory of how she died, would not make Linda a very good deputy, now would it?

John Ramsey admits it's an AEA device, police officers including even Lou Smit call it an AEA device, etc., etc. What do YOU call it?

JMO

a plant....and you presume to know "my theory"?

 

[sissi]

a plant.

I'm not sure I understand DL, do you think an intruder killer ,killed, then staged the murder to look like something it wasn't?

 

[AbigailCrane]

a plant.

Are you saying the venus flytrap from "Little Shop Of Horrors" gobbled her up?

 

[deputylinda]

I'm not sure I understand DL, do you think an intruder killer ,killed, then staged the murder to look like something it wasn't?

planted evidence...not by an intruder.

 

[sissi]

DL: Who in the house would plant evidence to make themselves look guilty?
Why use the household pad of paper then hand the rest over to the police?
Why use a paintbrush and leave an unused portion right there in your painttray
Then turn pages of dictionaries to incest..and bibles to psalms..
I'm not sure this makes sense to me,could you explain in more detail what ya mean?

 

[Camper]

The advantage of having been 6 years old myself, 10 yrs old, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70 years old, that gives me a priority over most of the posters who appear here IN THAT, I have seen more of life's shenanigans that many posting.

I donut think BlueCrab ever ascribed to believing that Patsy was the perp, nor have I ever ended up with that belief.

In the beginning of this puzzle, PR crossed my thought path, everyone did!

I do however believe strongly that the Ramsey family collectively or singly orchestrated an elaborate cover up that seems to be holding steadily lo these many years later.

IF WE ? are to be made to believe that some soul short of money, and not knowing HOW to make any, even with the criptic ransom note caper, came through a closed and locked door to do his/her deed, you/we or whomever probably look for money under your/our pillows from the Tooth Fairy.

IF IF this perp could in fact enter the home of the Ramseys, through locked doors, he/she would have been better off on Christmas night going to the 1st Bank vault, he/she would have had MORE MONEY, actually he/she would have had some money, not - not any money.

The very fact that the much sought after 'Burglar Alarm' was not set for Christmas night. Recall also when Ramseys 'fled' to Georgia, the house HAD to have a burglar system installed, and they only wanted ONE door access to the Georgia home, which was against building code as I recall.

Christmas night I would a$$ume would be high on the list of burglars for making a nice Christmas gift haul. This FACT left me wondering why it was not set, and who was coming after family had retired that the door had been left unarmed for?

OHHHHHH and the plane that was to be ready to fly the morning of the 26th was not ready that morning, and the pilot was not available, got a call back from pilot, (about 10 am - am I right?) another hmmm, in my book of wonderment.

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[sissi]

What kind of cord do gardeners use to tie back the roses?
Black tape for labeling?
Brown gardeners gloves?
nylon cord to tie back plants?
hmmm