Did Lisa's Mom do it? Poll

[frankie069]

Well now that more information has come out, I want to give my thoughts on this whole debacle. DB now states she was drunk. Yes, I think this will be her defense in that she wont remember what happened to Lisa, she blacked out. NOT. Good defense and something tells me she has already been coached on using this.

I think a lot of us knew that she did something that night but just didnt know what it was. I sincerely believe that her ADULT TIME she wanted was seriously compromised with Lisa being there and being sick and well, like a baby who is sick, she probably was crying a lot and that just got in the way. DB is young and apparently stupid (just look how she has handled this whole mess). She wanted to play and couldnt. We now have more hours to tack on to the last time Lisa was even seen. I firmly at this point believe that DB shook Lisa and got rid of her. Do we know if she is a happy drunk, a mean drunk or even that drunk at all? If she was to the black out point, which I have been once or twice in my life, there is no way she would have even been able to be woken up when JI came home, she still would have been beyond drunk, so she wasnt to that black out stage. I said yesterday that I was over the fence now and on the side of guilt and I say even more now, not only am I on the side of the fence of guilt but I am so far away from the fence I am in the next state. I am thankful now I said that I think the police should have questioned her till she passed out, who cares if she was tired. Its not about her, never was about her and we all know now that Lisa's fate was sealed with this new information.

I am assuming that the police can subpoena those other children and they will get a guardian ad litem and be able to be questioned. WITHOUT the parents in the room, technically, they can now because they are not suspects, they are possible witnesses and you dont need a parents permission to question them, at least here in NY you dont, and some other states you dont.

Little Lisa, who was standing up in her crib sometime after 6pm, when mom tucked her back into bed (a little early for bed I would say), being seen for the last time, well, mom, I hope you are happy now. Give it up so Lisa can be brought home to rest. All they need is that 2:30 or so phone call to see who helped her dispose of the body. OR who sat in the house with the other kids while she did herself. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. I hope we have an arrest today. Does anyone else think that maybe the dad came home early and helped her, you know by the look on his face he knows.. He totally knows.

 

[frankie069]

After today...the "I was drunk" interview and the oh...btw...I didn't see her at 10:30, I last saw her at 6:40, Debra herself has pushed me off the fence and onto she either did it or she knows what happened.

She says the boys said they heard some noises but she hasn't asked them anything about it because they were already upset enough. Your baby girl is missing and you can't find a child-friendly way to ask them about what they heard? Really Debra? Really?!!

Naw...I'm not buying that for a second.

She doesnt want those children questioned because they might come out with something incriminating to mom. Of course they heard noises, of their mother getting rid of their sister. Doesnt DB supposedly have that psychologist or something like that with her, well, this woman cannot speak to the kids?? Actually, no, she might turn the kids and make them think they heard or didnt hear something they did. These kids right now belong at the police station speaking with a victims unit detective who can handle children and find out what happened. I dont understand why they are not taking the kids to question them. They are not suspects. They can be questioned without the parents in the room.

 

[Magnifying Glass]

I continue to wonder if "had enough to drink to be drunk" (paraphrase) is not being used as an exaggeration to hide something more sinister.

It looks like she's being honest; she was possibly drunk or even passed out therefore whatever happened, she won't remember.
And if LE never finds Lisa, she may get a slap on the wrist for being irresponsible but no more than that.

If LE find a deceased Lisa she'll claim accident because she was drunk.

Either way, we're seeing a defense strategy being laid out right in front of us. DB knows what happened and is responsible for what happened. JI knows too but I don't know if he was there.

Whatever truly happened, I don't think Lisa is still alive. And the idea is heartbreaking

All my opinion :twocents:

 

[frankie069]

I continue to wonder if "had enough to drink to be drunk" (paraphrase) is not being used as an exaggeration to hide something more sinister.

It looks like she's being honest; she was possibly drunk or even passed out therefore whatever happened, she won't remember.
And if LE never finds Lisa, she may get a slap on the wrist for being irresponsible but no more than that.

If LE find a deceased Lisa she'll claim accident because she was drunk.

Either way, we're seeing a defense strategy being laid out right in front of us. DB knows what happened and is responsible for what happened. JI knows too but I don't know if he was there.

Whatever truly happened, I don't think Lisa is still alive. And the idea is heartbreaking

All my opinion :twocents:

My kids are all big and grown, my "baby" is 21. I have gotten drunk to the point of passing out and blacking out. The next morning I was still drunk, nevermind trying to wake me up at 4am to tell my kid was missing, I would have been drunk still. The police would have noticed this behavior. I think its a defense strategy. And a bad one at that. Might look good on paper but no one is going to buy it. (After the CA case I shouldnt say NO ONE).. I truly believe she either (I hate to say this and word this in such a way) but she either took that baby and shook her to death or while shaking her, she hit the baby's head on the crib or dropped her so she could have her play time. Its time for her to bring Lisa home. I said before she was a narcissist and I stand by that. This whole case has been about her, she is tired, she needs family time, she is distraught, etc.. It hasnt been about Lisa to her at all. God this makes me sick. :furious:

 

[iluvmua]

Why isn't there a "Hell, Yes" option in the poll?

I hope the jury (if this goes to trial) sees right through her "poor poor me" act.

I do not think this was an accident....... At All.

 

[runsdeep]

havent read or watched much on it. listening to levi page blogtalk now. sure sounds fishy to me. like was posted before, very similar to ramsey case.

 

[iluvmua]

I don't know what she did......... but it is VERY clear she did something to Lisa and she needs to be arrested and charged.

 

[theBritster]

I think I'm off the fence now... I definitely think the mother did something (whether accidently or purposely, I dont know) to the baby. But still, I'd be more than happy to be wrong and have Lisa be ok and be with someone else.

 

[Bon]

DB said the same thing CA said, she has no idea what happened to her dtr and we all know ICA was lying

 

[Bon]

If she was that drunk what could she have possibly done with the baby, where would she put her? Because LE sure can't locate her...

 

[mum]

I have bounced so much on this case. Yesterday I was believing Lisa was taken, today, mom did it, or at the very least knows something. Since that something would be, why Lisa was taken, I think she would have spoken up before now, therefore I feel she did something to Lisa. LE has known so much info all along, and that is why they keep looking for a body opposed to a beautiful little smiling face. I hate thinking this way.

 

[davehead21]

If she was that drunk what could she have possibly done with the baby, where would she put her? Because LE sure can't locate her...

This is what I don't get. How can a woman who was extremely intoxicated hide a baby so well that LE hasn't been able to find her for 2 weeks? She had to have had help if she's guilty. This case is maddening.

 

[jillybean]

She did it..

 

[dog.gone.cute]

MOO !

I voted GUILTY ...

From the first interview I saw of DB and JI through today, I have always believed DB is guilty ...

As to JI :

- JI knew when he got home from work what happened because DB told him and JI went into CYA mode to help DB ... or

- JI "may" have gotten a call from DB before he got home and JI still helped DB in the "cover-up" ... or

- JI "may" have believed DB at first -- DB's "intruder" took Baby Lisa -- but then a fter a day or two, JI realized that did not happen -- it was DB all along ...

MOO ...

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Right now, my opinion is this mother did not hurt Baby Lisa, but she (in an intoxicated slumber) failed to protect her.

JMO

 

[UdbCrzy2]

I voted on the fence, but if voting right now would vote that she had something to do with whatever has happened to baby Lisa.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I originally voted, "no I believe her." Now I've pole-vaulted clear over the fence onto "she is responsible" territory. And by "responsible," I don't necessarily mean "deliberately responsible." "Grossly negligent" is the spot of ground where I'm sitting now.

 

[w1df10wr]

DB changed the time she last saw Lisa to 6:40pm.

Link "In an appearance on “Good Morning America,” Bradley said that while being questioned by police, investigators showed her burned clothes and a “Doppler thing with pings” from her cell phone." -

Not sure I believe anything DB says anymore, yet there is a possibility that an acquaintance took Lisa. I'm still on the fence.

 

[matou]

I think she is involved in Lisa's death somehow and was coached by her new lawyer into claiming she was so drunk that she doesn't know what happened at all. He shut down all media interviews right after her statements on every major network in the US, after his client shocks the world with her admission to "blacking out". AND all of this happens the day before Grand Jury. Haha...sorry this is WAY too much for me to believe. I call BS on all of this. The cops know if she was drunk that night so we'll see what happens next.

 

[w1df10wr]

New thought on a possible accident theory.

People Magazine article - "Bradley settled down at home for dinner and drinking with a neighbor. She put Lisa down in her room around 6:40 p.m., she says. Only once more soon afterward did she check on Lisa, finding her standing in her crib before tucking her back in." - bbm

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151347"]Websleuths Pictures from Lisa Irwin case sticky [/ame] 2nd picture in post #1, thanks Kat.

Shouldn't the mattress be a lot lower for a 10 month reported to be 30 inches? What if it was an accident where the baby fell out of the crib? And DB being intoxicated, didn't respond like she would if she hadn't been drinking?