Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[oceanblueeyes]

I would think that falling over a second floor banister and smashing into a huge chandelier would cause extensive injuries.

With the use of the word brutal you seem to imply that the injuries were caused by brute strength. That would exonerate Rebecca and her sister in my opinion since they were very tiny women with no histories of mental illness or violence.

I dont even see how Max could even prepell himself out that far to even bring down the chandelier.

In the report does it say how far out the chandelier hung from the railing?

I would think shards of glass from the chandelier would make very distinctive patterns that would be easy to recognize both by the doctors who treated him and the experts Dina hired. There was a reason why the doctors at the hospital immediately were suspicious this wasnt an accident.

Something just isnt right. The drawing never made any sense to me from day one when police showed it.

What does being a tiny woman have to do with anything? She was certainly far bigger than a small 6 year old. Just because no one has a history of violence never means they will always be non-violent. We see that for ourselves in many cases right here where the defendant had no violent criminal history whatsoever.

IMO

 

[freespeech]

That still has nothing to do with the sister being away from the money pit for 9 months now.

And not a word said that someone else was there besides she and her sister which is what they both told LE when Max 'fell.'

Why would she continue to let people believe they were the only ones there if it wasnt true.

You do realize that she is a vulnerable minor and her family has the responsibility to protect her? One daughter was murdered. Do you think they want to lose another daughter? If something happens the police will just say suicide.

<mod snip> Just as the Shaknai minors are protected do likewise with the Zahau minor. Victim friendly remember. This little girl lost her sister because of a violent murder. Please have some compassion for her.

 

[katydid23]

Katydid, maybe they were scared. Rebecca stated that Dina was going to kill her so she must have already been scared before she even said that.

But why would Dina kill HER if it was Jonah who was present.

And why wouldn't the younger relative ever tell LE up until now. She lives in another state and could tell the cops in her own state what happened if Jonah was involved.

I don't think anyone has ever said he ever laid a hand on any of his children. So I am not believing this scenario.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

"Why would she continue to let people believe...." Do you really think "she" cares about you or the other people - really? It doesn't matter! She has to protect herself and listen to her attorney.

<modsnip>

Imo, it is about her sister. If there was someone else there that morning and in light of her sister's death.... I would think she would come forth with any information that would place someone else in the home at the time of Max's fall instead of leaving it as she and Rebecca were the only ones there with Max. There would be no reason whatsoever for her not coming forward now if she really knew anything.

So imo, she has already told the truth and no one was there when it happened but her and her sister.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

I would think that falling over a second floor banister and smashing into a huge chandelier would cause extensive injuries.

With the use of the word brutal you seem to imply that the injuries were caused by brute strength. That would exonerate Rebecca and her sister in my opinion since they were very tiny women with no histories of mental illness or violence.

Falling over a 2nd story banister would have extensive injuries resulting, no doubt. But the way he fell and the injuries sustained seemed to some to have been more forceful than a simple fall. It seemed more likely he was pushed or thrown or moving at a higher velocity than a simple fall over the railing, apparently.

When I say 'brutal' I am describing the extent of his massive injuries.

 

[freespeech]

Sister Nina Romano's Nov/2011 Phone Interview -

CROSSTALK: So how did this whole suffocation thing come up with the doctor and when did he tell you? Kind of run me through the timeline of that.

NINA: So it was a, Max had a consult on Wednesday and this was really, this was after Rebecca had passed, that he had this cardiac consult and that he had a MRI to find out the extent of the damage Wednesday morning was when we found out, Wednesday morning afternoon was when we found out the actual extent of the damage. And it was shocking. Just to back up a little bit, when my sister told me a little bit about what happened to with what happened to Rebecca, the first thing that was said was, why she hung herself with what? We don't even know what's going on with Max, what do what are you talking about what? It was very bizarre, it was very very bizarre. And we found out Wednesday the extent of his damage, which was that his brain was gone. So, then Thursday Dr. Peterson had a meeting with Dina and Jonah and said that the extent of the damage in Max's brain there was no way that he could have had CPR within 2 minutes, it was impossible to have had CPR within 2 minutes without any oxygen it was impossible so my sister said what could cause this?What could cause a 6 year old to go into full cardiac arrest, a healthy 6 year old to go into full cardiac arrest. And he said its possible suffocation. And that's how it came up.

CROSSTALK: And what was the reaction in the room at that time? Or shortly thereafter?

NINA: *Right (inaudible) shock, utter shock at that point.


http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3

Below from Nina's interview posted by Lash:

...Max's brain there was no way that he could have had CPR within 2 minutes, it was impossible to have had CPR within 2 minutes without any oxygen it was impossible...

Wait a minute. Please don't tell me that this is why Rebecca was blamed.

How could the CPR that Rebecca did been miraculously more effective that the emergency intervention of the paramedics.

It took them 30 minutes to get his heart started and that was only after also using drugs.

How in Sam's Hill did anyone expect Rebecca to revive him and get his heart and lungs going in 2 minutes? Unbelievable. This cannot be the reason a woman was murdered. What a nightmare.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You do realize that she is a vulnerable minor and her family has the responsibility to protect her? One daughter was murdered. Do you think they want to lose another daughter? If something happens the police will just say suicide.

Please get your meat hooks off the minor. Just as the Shaknai minors are protected do likewise with the Zahau minor. Victim friendly remember. This little girl lost her sister because of a violent murder. Please have some compassion for her.

Her parents main goal should be getting the truth out if it is different from what she told LE back when Max fell. She doesnt even live in the same state. So protect her from what?

There is no evidence that Rebecca was murdered and I for one have said nothing bad about her sister. I have continously said Rebecca's sister told the truth about who was there.

Dina is also a victim and Jonah too.

So what is the difference? This thread is about Max's death and the expert saying his death should have been listed as a homicide instead of an accident.

 

[Quester]

Could MS have been hanging by his hands from the chandelier when the chain broke, pinning him to the floor with his head stuck upright in the chandelier? Could that help to explain the vertical injuries to his face and marks/injuries to his back? TIA

 

[katydid23]

You do realize that she is a vulnerable minor and her family has the responsibility to protect her? One daughter was murdered. Do you think they want to lose another daughter? If something happens the police will just say suicide.

Please get your meat hooks off the minor. Just as the Shaknai minors are protected do likewise with the Zahau minor. Victim friendly remember. This little girl lost her sister because of a violent murder. Please have some compassion for her.

In the interview with Dina's investigators she demonstrated how Maxie was riding his scooter that morning, slowly on the carpet. It does not seem likely that he could have cleared that banister while riding that scooter, imo.

 

[freespeech]

You really dont have to be so snarky Just Checking.

I am trying to civilly respond to you and I would appreciate the same respect.

It is not about me or other outsiders. In fact I dont have a clue where you even got that impression that I said it is about me and other people

Imo, it is about her sister. If there was someone else there that morning and in light of her sister's death.... I would think she would come forth with any information that would place someone else in the home at the time of Max's fall instead of leaving it as she and Rebecca were the only ones there with Max. There would be no reason whatsoever for her not coming forward now if she really knew anything.

So imo, she has already told the truth and no one was there when it happened but her and her sister.

IMO

Really? She is a vulnerable minor and should be guarded by her family. If the time comes that the Shacknai and Zahau minors must speak it should be done with police custody, lawyers, family and witnesses present. We don't want another Josh Powell incident. PROTECT THE MINORS.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Could MS have been hanging by his hands from the chandelier when the chain broke, pinning him to the floor with his head stuck upright in the chandelier? Could that help to explain the vertical injuries to his face and marks/injuries to his back? TIA

It seems the experts took into consideration all possibilities how the 'accident' could have happened but none of them mesh with the location of injuries he received in various locations on his body.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Really? She is a vulnerable minor and should be guarded by her family. If the time comes that the Shacknai and Zahau minors must speak it should be done with police custody, lawyers, family and witnesses present. We don't want another Josh Powell incident. PROTECT THE MINORS.

Another Josh Powell? Her family is not trying to harm her and I havent seen a word that anyone else is either. So I dont know why you are bringing up JP of all people who killed his OWN children and linking it to the sister's parents.:waitasec:

Well I certainly didnt expect them to speak to the media or for the public's curiousity. Of course she would speak to police. Who has said she shouldnt?

 

[MyBelle]

There is no evidence...ha. The entire reason this board has life is because nothing smells right about this horrible situation. So, if you want to believe or percieve everything so it fits the way you want - so be it. We have little factual content - just hearsay. Police investigation a mess, Jonah hires a PR firm the same week as deaths to perform the appropriate spin on information, etc., etc. Two sister's running around Jonah's house the night of the murder, Jonah not running to the house demanding to see the woman he apparently loved laying on the ground all day nude for every camera to take a picture, a brother wanking in the guest house all night when his nephew is on his death bed, a man who claims to have sold the mansion but has a significant interest in the firm that buys the house! Smoke and mirrors!

We have an abundance of factual content on which to form an opinion, the autopsy reports, expert reports are not hearsay. I formed my opinion more than a year ago that MS' death was a result of child abuse and RZ' was a suicide. The experts hired by DS seem to support my opinion.

JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In the interview with Dina's investigators she demonstrated how Maxie was riding his scooter that morning, slowly on the carpet. It does not seem likely that he could have cleared that banister while riding that scooter, imo.

The heavy part of the scooter is at the bottom. There is no way Max could have gotten up that much speed to go off the railing in that small space. And even if he was riding the scooter the scooter would have crashed into the banister and wouldnt have gone over with him to lay BESIDE him on the floor below, imo. There would also have been major marks on the wood of the banister where he crashed into it.

IMO

 

[freespeech]

In the interview with Dina's investigators she demonstrated how Maxie was riding his scooter that morning, slowly on the carpet. It does not seem likely that he could have cleared that banister while riding that scooter, imo.

Also let us not forget that she may have not been the only minor present so the other children may also know what happened.

If she or the other minors are to be questioned I'm sure it will be done safely with police protection, lawyers, family and witnesses present.

I truly believe that certain people here might be very unstable. The best and only policy here imo is to protect the children at all costs. We should never let another Josh Powell incident occur.

 

[freespeech]

We have an abundance of factual content on which to form an opinion, the autopsy reports, expert reports are not hearsay. I formed my opinion more than a year ago that MS' death was a result of child abuse and RZ' was a suicide. The experts hired by DS seem to support my opinion.

JMO

I actually think that Just Checking gave an excellent summary of the actual knowledge we have after thousands of comments.

 

[freespeech]

Another Josh Powell? Her family is not trying to harm her and I havent seen a word that anyone else is either. So I dont know why you are bringing up JP of all people who killed his OWN children and linking it to the sister's parents.:waitasec:

Well I certainly didnt expect them to speak to the media or for the public's curiousity. Of course she would speak to police. Who has said she shouldnt?

Oh, how silly of me. I thought I made it clear that the Zahaus should protect their minor from guilty desperate murders who may feel like they have nothing to lose now that the gates are closing in on them. I didn't mean that the Zahaus would harm their baby girl. I was talking about the murderer.

 

[freespeech]

In the interview with [B]Dina's investigators she demonstrated how Maxie was riding his scooter that morning, slowly[/B] on the carpet. It does not seem likely that he could have cleared that banister while riding that scooter, imo.

BBM

Excuse me. How does Dina's investigators know how fast Max went that morning? Were they there? OK fess up. Dina was not at home sleeping was she? She must have been there to know all that now, right?

 

[time]

Could MS have been hanging by his hands from the chandelier when the chain broke, pinning him to the floor with his head stuck upright in the chandelier? Could that help to explain the vertical injuries to his face and marks/injuries to his back? TIA

Quester... I don't know the answer to that question, but it also makes me wonder if those scrapes on his back could have been caused by the chandelier - caught in between two pieces of it. They showed a picture of his back last night on Dr. Drew - it was quick, but frankly I couldn't say some of that was definitely caused by a railing? I don't know, it's difficult to go back and forth between the autopsy and different possibilities.

I think you had a great question earlier. If the chandelier had been tested for his DNA, it would possibly add information about whether he landed on it or it landed on him or whatever. I have some idea he was hanging on that chandelier.

I don't think either of the two reports are getting at what actually happened unfortunately.

 

[freespeech]

But why would Dina kill HER if it was Jonah who was present.

And why wouldn't the younger relative ever tell LE up until now. She lives in another state and could tell the cops in her own state what happened if Jonah was involved.

I don't think anyone has ever said he ever laid a hand on any of his children. So I am not believing this scenario.

Rebecca was afraid Dina would kill her because she covered for Jonah. Don't you remember these words "She saved him. Can he save her"?

The younger relative is scared. Why do you not realize that people could come after her or she could jeopardize the case with ill timed comments?

Who knows what goes on behind closed doors? Who ever thought Josh Powell would do what he did? Why is this hard to believe when two people out of that home are dead now. There is a lot of dysfunction, anger and rage here coupled with emotional instability. Not a safe environment for anyone ESPECIALLY a minor. JMO.