Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[CuriousGeorgia]

BBM

There is no evidence...ha. The entire reason this board has life is because nothing smells right about this horrible situation. So, if you want to believe or percieve everything so it fits the way you want - so be it. We have little factual content - just hearsay. Police investigation a mess, Jonah hires a PR firm the same week as deaths to perform the appropriate spin on information, etc., etc. Two sister's running around Jonah's house the night of the murder, Jonah not running to the house demanding to see the woman he apparently loved laying on the ground all day nude for every camera to take a picture, a brother wanking in the guest house all night when his nephew is on his death bed, a man who claims to have sold the mansion but has a significant interest in the firm that buys the house! Smoke and mirrors!

- We have hardly any information on the police investigation. Only a few facts were released. We don't know what they did or did not do. They did have 15 investigators working around the clock for 7 weeks.
- You think Jonah should have been the one to answer all those 1000's of calls, while planning Maxie's funeral and making arrangements and attending Rebecca's? I sure don't. The man's son and girlfriend had both just died tragically!
- Only one sister was at Jonah's house on the night of the murder and she fully cooperated with investigators. Dina was not there and her whereabouts were confirmed. Time for that rumor to stop.
- Jonah was probably not allowed on the mansion grounds. It was a crime scene. And from what Dina said, he was sobbing. I'm sure he was in no shape to go anywhere. Jonah had no control over whether SDSO put something over Rebecca's body.
- The info about the brother appeared on Anne Bremner's FaceBook page one night and then she deleted it not even an hour later. Was she drinking? Is it true? Who knows what that was about, but I do not take it as gospel. And who cares anyway, a stressful day and he's a man. They whack it all the time for all sorts of reasons.
- So what if Jonah has an interest in the firm selling the house. Of course that is who he would use. Anyone would.

JMO

 

[dovebar]

Dina's whereabouts have not been confirmed. We do know she has a history of violence.

We don't know about her financial dependence on Jonah. Therefore, we must take anything she claims about Jonah's behavior and demeanor with a grain of salt. No one else seems to have claimed that Jonah was sobbing upon hearing about RZ. That's curious. One would think with all the people around the property, it would have been much mentioned.

People did hear screams and a violent struggle.

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[itsreenw]

ITA. Most people wouldn't volunteer about a shoplifting incident either. They weren't hiring Rebecca to work for them. Although it sure looks to me that Rebecca was treated like an employee. And again, why didn't Mr. S hire a babysitter if Dina didn't want Rebecca to be alone with Max?[/quote] JS shouldn't have hired a babysitter to appease his ex wife. How offensive would that have been to Rebecca?

Dina didn't even know Rebecca. She passed judgment based on a shoplifting offense and a name change. JS knew about Rebecca's offense and loved her in spite of it. If people waited for their ex's approval of a new love interest, everybody would be single forever

iMO, I believe Dina may have felt a little jealous or uncomfortable knowing Rebecca was acting as 'mom' to little Max. After all, young, beautiful Rebecca was basically replacing Dina as the lady of the Shacknai household. IMO, probably not an easy pill to swallow.

My heart goes out to all parties involved. May their pain ease and their hearts heal.

 

[inthedark14]

We have no clue what they have on Dina and Jonah in the SDSO file. Whatever it is, it is something that is making them put on an expensive fullcourt PR press in the media to try to sully the name of the victim here.

We don't really know the entire history of their violence, either in California, or New York, or Arizona, do we? They seemed to move around a lot and take advantage of tax loopholes. And what about all that time that they were dating and married to other people when there are various charges by others about them? Has Dina EVER worked or is this nonprofit her first job ever? Who is paying her bills now? Has she ever used another name?

And respectfully, I have not heard ANY friends of Dina's or Jonah's friends come out in the media. Do they have any, besides elected county officials needing financial donations for reelection campaigns and paid consultants? I've only hear that there was violence between them and sexual problems.

And I've read almost everything.

JMO

It's quite true, and I will freely admit that I am not a fan of the HLN type news broadcasts, not to mention Dr. Phil. As much as I've followed this case for over a year, I've never seen this particular media. I've based my opinions on documents made available to the public. However it seems that there are plenty of friends of that are out in force. I won't claim to have links to any videos of them, because I wouldn't have seen them. But there are friends out there, GOD BLESS THEM, who have no problem going into various boards and making sure that they derail any conversation, any speculation that RZ was murdered. There is an never ending train of hate spewed at RZ and her family. Anything that they've done to provide justice for their daughter has been brought to question, but since DS is now going down that same path, do we judge her? No, her voice should be heard as well. Now since we have this very incomplete report (where are all the missing footnoted pages?) it is happening even here. A 9 month investigation that pays TWO people huge amounts of money is suspicious....especially since it wasn't that long ago that they sued for the autopsy photos. Perhaps the decision to disgrace a dead woman who cannot speak for herself was already made so it didn't matter.

Truthfully, since that broadcast showing RZ out there rotting in the sun waiting for the ME to make time for her, I've been interested. I'm happy that these boards are active again, that people are paying attention and asking the right questions. Please don't be derailed by one-sided individuals that only wish is to cause disarray.

PLEASE...let's have JUSTICE for Rebecca and Max. This has gone on long enough. Too many lies have been told, too much posturing has taken place. If they open Max's case they have to open Rebecca's.

We can all take sides or we can all find out the truth. The TRUTH is what matters.

 

[katydid23]

BBM

Excuse me. How does Dina's investigators know how fast Max went that morning? Were they there? OK fess up. Dina was not at home sleeping was she? She must have been there to know all that now, right?

Because any investigator can easily figure out how fast or slow any given carpet is when riding a scooter on it. Most carpets are going to inhibit the speed of a scooter. And how the heck does a scooter get up and over the railing with a kid on it?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

It is a FACT that there were no marks on the balcony railing in the dust.... that a grown woman, who is tied up would make when throwing themselves off that balcony. You can go into any theories you want... but you can't explain how she went off the balcony without making a mark in the dust with her body... with her legs and hands tied behind her back.... in the dark... those are the FACTs and they can't be disputed. This was not a suicide unless someone assisted her in killing herself...and then turned out the lights on their way out.... and that is called murder in any state in the USA.

Sorry Mrs. Holmes, you are wrong. There was a spot devoid of dust where they assume she used her side hip to sit on the rail and topple over. See the SDSO reports.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

BBM - that's SDSD hoo ha. It's not what the Zahau's thought IMHO. It was an excuse not to release info.

Then please tell me why the Zahaus all of a sudden shut up, and they never released the files. If there was all bad stuff on the Shacknais and Romanos, and none on Rebecca they would have released those files in a hot second.

They shut up because SDSD said they could not release the information "piecemeal", revealing only the pieces of information, out of context, that made their case look valid. So there is something in there they do not want you to know about Ms. Rebecca Zahau.

 

[Tink56]

The homicide theory account takes running, jumping, riding on the scooter, riding on the dog, balancing on the soccer ball, etc; into account. It finds there is no explanation for Max's injuries other than physical assault:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102202462/Max-Shacknai-Summary-of-Reports

What about the dog jumping on the Max's chest (the dog on its hind legs)? Does it cover Max trying to stand on the banister and jump? (My son decided he was going to jump from a storage shed into a canyon at age 5...)

 

[MyBelle]

Please. How can you say Rebecca didn't do it correctly in 2 minutes so it's all her fault? The paramedics worked on him for 30 minutes and gave him drugs to start his heart.

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I didn't say Rebecca didn't do it correctly for only two minutes nor is there proof LE arrived within two minutes of MZ' injury. No LE witnessed her performing any CPR. The paramedic's restored circulation immediately after they arrived. If the accident had truly just happened two minutes prior, they were beating the child's heart and circulating oxygenated blood via CPR. The outcome would not have been brain death.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

I didn't say Rebecca didn't do it correctly for only two minutes nor is there proof LE arrived within two minutes of MZ' injury. No LE witnessed her performing any CPR. The paramedic's restored circulation immediately after they arrived. If the accident had truly just happened two minutes prior, they were beating the child's heart and circulating oxygenated blood via CPR. The outcome would not have been brain death.

JMO

Where is your link for paramedics restored circulation immediately after they arrived? Never heard or seen anything like that reported anywhere.

 

[jjenny]

No. The only FACTS are:

1 - two people dead. In the mansion.
2 - both from anoxia
3- both with abrasions and contusions
4 - both cases looking to be reopened
5- posters whining about victim bashing whilst doing it themselves :what:

Now, those are the FACTS.

 

[freespeech]

If Jonah was home and involved I doubt either RZ or and young teenage girl would say a word if told not to by the money man. Again, everyone wants to just go by the facts as told them - hey San Diego police believed everything they were told as well and closed the case - too funny! Nothing is as it seems. That is why my name alias is "just checking" because boards like this simply churn the same stuff over and over. But that is ok and healthy and fun for the detective sleuths out there or for those feeling a need to be heard (by someone). I'm simply looking for info I dont already have.

Well actually I'm here because I don't like the idea of vigilante justice and police corruption. I also don't feel like shutting up about it.

There are so many threads here all with victims so why choose this case? I don't really know. Maybe I'll figure it out someday or maybe the reason will just be there in my mind and I will know.

In the meantime I can't forget and be silent until there is a proper investigation with logical findings for both deaths.

Also, I see a trend developing with Dina's "tidbit" about Rebecca not being left alone with Max and another family member. I combined it with what other posters here stated or insinuated about Rebecca having a child.

I wonder has it occurred to anyone what the meme is that Dina may be developing?

Some of the seeds are as follows:

*Dina did not want Rebecca to be alone with Max when she was with another family member.

*Dina can't tell why this is because Rebecca may have embarrassing secrets.

*Gore threatened to expose the entire file.

*Why doesn't Rebecca's younger sister speak up?

*Rebecca had a child.

I think Dina thinks she going to strike a coup by stating she did not want Rebecca to be alone with Max because Rebecca's little sister is really her daughter. I think she'll accuse Rebecca's sister/daughter of attacking and harming Max. She'll then say Rebecca covered the whole thing up and killed herself.

This version of the "TRUTH" is no more believable than the other alleged versions. This version is worse though because it involves damaging an innocent minor to cover a murder someone wants everyone to believe was a suicide.

Only time will tell why these seeds are being planted at this late date. JMO.

 

[screecher]

...If the accident had truly just happened two minutes prior, they were beating the child's heart and circulating oxygenated blood via CPR. The outcome would not have been brain death.

JMO

Had Maxie gone down in front of the EMT's and EMT's responded immediately, the outcome would have been the same BECAUSE of the location of injury to Max's spinal cord. That's it. Plain and Simple.

 

[Frigga]

Because any investigator can easily figure out how fast or slow any given carpet is when riding a scooter on it. Most carpets are going to inhibit the speed of a scooter. And how the heck does a scooter get up and over the railing with a kid on it?

Have you never seen the skateboarders that ride rails? Believe it or not my neighbor boys do it on their scooters all the time. Thanks, that had never crossed my mind until reading your post. Could he have been attempting to 'ride the rails'? Any thoughts on this?

 

[jjenny]

Have you never seen the skateboarders that ride rails? Believe it or not my neighbor boys do it on their scooters all the time. Thanks, that had never crossed my mind until reading your post. Could he have been attempting to 'ride the rails'? Any thoughts on this?

We don't know. That's why I fail to understand how these experts can claim they ruled out accidental scenarios. There are so many possibilities. There are some videos on you tube of kids doing or attempting to do crazy things on scooters and stairs.

 

[dovebar]

Ha! Clearly, Adam was thinking of something other than Max as he wanked to on his cell phone all night and never slept in a bed...facts as Adam's testimony to the police stated! Yes, the was a BEAVER cleaver family

Thank you for re-raising this. According to Adam himself, he was doing nothing that would have prevented him from hearing the screams that neighbors much further away heard. Isn't it odd that he didn't check the house after hearing screams? After all, his nephew had just had a terrible accident in that house.

 

[Just Checking]

BBM

- We have hardly any information on the police investigation. Only a few facts were released. We don't know what they did or did not do. They did have 15 investigators working around the clock for 7 weeks.
- You think Jonah should have been the one to answer all those 1000's of calls, while planning Maxie's funeral and making arrangements and attending Rebecca's? I sure don't. The man's son and girlfriend had both just died tragically!
- Only one sister was at Jonah's house on the night of the murder and she fully cooperated with investigators. Dina was not there and her whereabouts were confirmed. Time for that rumor to stop.
- Jonah was probably not allowed on the mansion grounds. It was a crime scene. And from what Dina said, he was sobbing. I'm sure he was in no shape to go anywhere. Jonah had no control over whether SDSO put something over Rebecca's body.
- The info about the brother appeared on Anne Bremner's FaceBook page one night and then she deleted it not even an hour later. Was she drinking? Is it true? Who knows what that was about, but I do not take it as gospel. And who cares anyway, a stressful day and he's a man. They whack it all the time for all sorts of reasons.
- So what if Jonah has an interest in the firm selling the house. Of course that is who he would use. Anyone would.

JMO

You speculate about everything in a very odd and favorable way for the shaknai's - are we sure you are not spin control because you really sound like it ... Who says only one sister was at the Mansion? Nina say's she was there (blonde and svelte) and someone witnessed and reported to the police seeing someone not at all with the same appearance...in fact I believe AB said the witness said the woman resembled Dina!

 

[MyBelle]

Had Maxie gone down in front of the EMT's and EMT's responded immediately, the outcome would have been the same BECAUSE of the location of injury to Max's spinal cord. That's it. Plain and Simple.

Nothing so far supports your claim. I'll continue to believe the medical experts, thanks.

 

[jjenny]

Nothing so far supports your claim. I'll continue to believe the medical experts, thanks.

Don't the experts all agree he had a spinal cord injury?

 

[screecher]

The only people present at the time of Max's accident, according to RZ and her sibling as told to LE, were RZ and her sibling. It is their stories which don't match with the injuries or the crime scene, according to the experts hired by the child's mother.

There is also no evidence whatsoever that the other children in the family have not told the truth about their observations while they were present in the home. I am assuming their statements to LE do exist and have helped Dina form a legal basis for her request to re-open the investigation. I also believe LE is doing just that.

JMO

Ahhh...but isn't RZ a liar???? How can she possibly be believed???? Afterall, didn't she misrepresent herself to Dina Romano??? (I'm being sarcastic here)

Also there is NO evidence whatsoever Max's half-siblings and his father were NOT there.