Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[MyBelle]

That is a shocking surprise considering that "her expert" was paid by her!

Yeah. A paid expert who offered an opinion based on her training, education and experience. A real doctor expert who was paid for her time. Imagine that.

 

[freespeech]

I disagree with your opinion. CPR is very effective and is better than nothing at all, which was what RZ was observed doing by the first responder. CPR, properly performed, is a replacement for a non-beating heart. CPR keeps the oxygenated blood circulating between heart, lung and brain. My own father was kept alive for more than 15-minutes by nurses doing CPR until his heart started beating again after being shocked repeatedly. He didn't suffer brain damage and lived another 17 years.

RZ, by doing nothing at all, did hasten the child's brain death.

JMO

BBM

And here's the hitch the heart will start again "...after being shocked repeatedly..." or with the use of drugs to start it.

That is why CRP alone is not effective. That is why they now include AED training so that you can shock the heart repeatedly until it starts again. That's why they tell you that you do not have to do mouth to mouth if you're fearful of disease or there is vomit. You can just do chest compression until the ambulance comes or use the AED to shock the heart if you have one.

 

[dovebar]

Dina could have been home in bed for any reason. It's irrelevant. Her child was in the legal custody of his other parent. She probably does feel guilt for not being there. Her nightmare that she tried to prevent came true.

JMO

It's certainly relevant if DS had or has a drinking or drug problem. Her whereabouts that night are entirely unknown, and if Max had any prior injuries, we don't know who caused them, whether she was stable enough to handle a child when he was in her care, or whether she might have inflicted injuries that were healing when he died.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

Dina could have been home in bed for any reason. It's irrelevant. Her child was in the legal custody of his other parent. She probably does feel guilt for not being there. Her nightmare that she tried to prevent came true.

JMO

If it were my child and if I were truly concerned about their safety, no mere legal technicality would have stopped me from ensuring they were safe. I would have insisted on having a professional child care provider with them at all times while in the father's custody, even if I had to pay for it myself.

But that's just me, I'm a mom who cares about my child's safety.


MOO

 

[katydid23]

Jumping off:


And I hardly think RZ being in reality her

little sister's mother [unquote] would qualify as a closed adoption.

So any sources claiming RZ is actually her sister's mother has full freedom to go through the proper channels to access the sister's birth certificate.

Have any of those sources done that? Or are they just making stuff up?

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If the grandmother was raising the child she would probably have an amended birth certificate. It does not need to be a closed adoption for there to be an amended BC, which would not have the actual birthparents listed on it.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Hasn't it also been alleged that Dina may have been home in bed with a hangover when the accident happened and thus took a couple of hours to respond when police were trying to contact her? Perhaps she also feels guilt about not being there for Max immediately after his accident. MOO

Yes, that has been alleged on comment boards and in comments to news articles, but the truth is that she was sick with Bronchitis.

 

[MyBelle]

Then Dina should be fully supportive of Ann Bremner's efforts to have the state AG conduct a full, open and unbiased investigation. The AG's office is the only authority in CA who is capable of conducting a full investigation.

Has she sent a letter to the AG yet supporting a full, impartial investigation by experts?

Ann Bremner has no legal basis to request an investigation of MS' death. DS has requested it of the original agency and I've yet to see that agency deny her request.

The lawyers retained by the parents seem to be far more attuned with the law than Ms. Bremner. I anticipate she will bow out very soon.

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

If so - and we eagerly await proof - that is a shocking surprise considering that "her expert" was paid by her!

BTW, why haven't any DS supporters answers any of the questions about Dina? Big surprise! What was DS's arrest record? What will we find when independent investigators begin - other than her history of violence that is known?

Dina was never arrested. The police were called to the house and then left. That's your violence.

 

[katydid23]

Hasn't it also been alleged that Dina may have been home in bed with a hangover when the accident happened and thus took a couple of hours to respond when police were trying to contact her? Perhaps she also feels guilt about not being there for Max immediately after his accident. MOO

Maybe. But of the two, one felt guilty enough to kill herself, and the other didn't. Which is the worst thing to deal with, having a hangover or being in charge when a child dies a brutal, inexplicable death?

 

[MyBelle]

If it were my child and if I were truly concerned about their safety, no mere legal technicality would have stopped me from ensuring they were safe. I would have insisted on having a professional child care provider with them at all times while in the father's custody, even if I had to pay for it myself.

But that's just me, I'm a mom who cares about my child's safety.


MOO

You apparently are not familiar with divorce and child custody. I don't know of any divorced parent who can dictate what happens while the child is in the other parent's custody. A Judge is in charge of that aspect, not the parent.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

Jumping off:


And I hardly think RZ being in reality her
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If the grandmother was raising the child she would probably have an amended birth certificate. It does not need to be a closed adoption for there to be an amended BC, which would not have the actual birthparents listed on it.

Under any scenario, that information would be publicly available. If DS and her posse want to make that allegation about RZ, it would not be difficult for them to provide some proof. If they have no proof, well...

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

So you admit that DS had/has a drinking problem so severe she couldn't get out of bed and care for her child? is that why she didn't have custody?

As you WELL know, Dina and Jonah shared custody of Max.

 

[Betty P]

And what kind of woman would take her little sister shopping while Max was in a coma in the ICU?

Link?

IIRC, she took her sister for medical attention for the cut on her leg, then arranged for her to fly home to her family.

The shopping trip was planned before dear Max's accident.

 

[MyBelle]

So you admit that DS had/has a drinking problem so severe she couldn't get out of bed and care for her child? is that why she didn't have custody?

Where is your proof DS did not have custody of her son?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Maybe a loving sister trying to distract her traumatized younger sister, since she'd been banned from seeing the child she tried to save?

And maybe she really didn't care about Max at all.

She was not banned. She had Tuesday afternoon to go see him when she was there at the McDonald's with Jonah and Adam. She declined.

 

[katydid23]

So you admit that DS had/has a drinking problem so severe she couldn't get out of bed and care for her child? is that why she didn't have custody?

Where did I say that? I just responded to your allegation, hypothetically, because none of us really know.

If she had a severe drinking problem she would have had ZERO custody, not partial.

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe a loving sister trying to distract her traumatized younger sister, since she'd been banned from seeing the child she tried to save?

She tried to save MS? How? I think at this point not only his parents but the doctors, social workers and LE would love to know what exactly she did to try to "save" this child who died while in her care.

JMO

 

[dovebar]

She tried to save MS? How? I think at this point not only his parents but the doctors, social workers and LE would love to know what exactly she did to try to "save" this child who died while in her care.

JMO

Actually, he died while in Jonah and DS's care - but one was absent and the other appears to have been "in bed." Curious.

 

[Yoda]

Did anyone look at the photos provided with the new reports DS released? I could not figure out the marks on the bannister. They were very odd. It was stated in themreport that JS said the marks were not there the day before.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

A doctor can say anything he wants to parents without the need for a police officer or lawyer being present. He wasn't responsible for the child's severe injuries. GMAB.

With all due respect, that is simply not true, particularly in a hospital setting.

The ED doctor's job is to treat the child. Period. And provide qualified family members, meaning those covered by HIPAA, with information about the child's condition and how to take care of the child once released.

As I posted earlier, in most trauma cases a social worker is called in no matter what the doctor's opinion is. The doctor's opinion might be that the parents' story of the child with a bruised butt and sore back accidentally falling hard on a slippery floor is consistent with the child's injuries and affect, and thus no abuse occurred, but protocol requires the doctor to call in the social worker to investigate nonetheless.

The doctor's job is not to play detective and act as the sole judge of whether the circumstances described around the child's injuries are consistent with the actual injuries or not, in a vacuum without other personnel's input, expertise, and involvement.

For a doctor to make such a definitive statement invites litigation from many entities. No hospital would tolerate that. They have enough litigation problems as it is.