Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[CDS22]

And? Only the room with the clothing had an unmade bed.

An unmade bed is insignificant. It could be that AS made his bed prior to leaving the guest house, or it could be that the female guest left her room a mess.

IMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

It was already back up when LE were there with search warrant.

Huh? The old pictures show it up and the LE pictures show no chandelier at all. Is there a link to where it says it was back up by Wednesday?

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

She stayed in the second bedroom, not the same bedroom AS stayed in.

And you know this as a fact how?

 

[SophieRose]

And you know this as a fact how?

Suitcase was on bed in one room and female clothes were in the other. Assume suitcase belonged to AS. He had just arrived the night before and may not have had time to unpack.
IMO

 

[jjenny]

Suitcase was on bed in one room and female clothes were in the other. Assume suitcase belonged to AS. He had just arrived the night before and may not have had time to unpack.
IMO

Suitcase wasn't on the bed.

 

[SophieRose]

Suitcase wasn't on the bed.

Sorry about that. But I made assumption it may have been AS since he may not have had time to unpack the night before. Why is guesthouse important?

 

[CalElliot]

Chandelier was back up when second search warrant was served and LE in house revisiting chandelier, staircase, et al. I will find link.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Chandelier was back up when second search warrant was served and LE in house revisiting chandelier, staircase, et al. I will find link.

Ok thanks for looking for a link. If true that it was back up, maybe it was the only lighting in the foyer?

 

[imamaze]

Ok... It's fine to discuss and disagree, please do this without attacking. If you see a problem with a post either attacking or being off topic then please alert, do not get the thread off topic by complaining on the board. Thank you.

Ima

 

[SophieRose]

Ok thanks for looking for a link. If true that it was back up, maybe it was the only lighting in the foyer?

Picture of the foyer when it was up for sale in 2006. Don't know if it was still the same 07/11.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.luxist.com/media/2006/02/coronado3.jpg

 

[JBean]

well that was an interesting read.
personal attacks,spamming the same comments over and over,being snide,and talking about other members as if no one knows who you are talking about doesn't fly here.

If you have had a post(or 3) removed from this thread, you either posted something along those lines, quoted a post that was along those lines,or messed up the quotes so bad that it was impossible to tell who said what to whom.

There was already at least one warning in this thread. Please don't expect a pm from a moderator as to why your post was removed.

Thanks all.

ETA: bashing RZN is not tolerated at this time. Unless another moderator adjusted that rule it is still in place.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Picture of the foyer when it was up for sale in 2006. Don't know if it was still the same 07/11.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.luxist.com/media/2006/02/coronado3.jpg

Thank you. I see some track lighting up there, but we have no idea if that's still there or not. Wish we could find a current picture from that same angle.

 

[CDS22]

Could there have been some swinging on the chandelier play at one time or another? I think such a thing has been shown in a childrens movie, and probably in cartoons. The chandelier could have loosened. Maybe it fell on Max, rather than the other way around.

Are you surmising that he could have fallen down the stairs, and then something caused an already weakened chandelier to fall on him?

 

[SophieRose]

Chandelier was back up when second search warrant was served and LE in house revisiting chandelier, staircase, et al. I will find link.

I think what was in those search warrants was speculation. The news media is now going to court to get access to them.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15466715/questions-linger-in-coronado-mansion-hanging-death

Attorneys for News 8 and several other media outlets will go to court in the coming weeks to ask a judge to unseal search warrants and affidavits in the case that should contain unreleased information from the investigation.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I think what was in those search warrants was speculation. The news media is now going to court to get access to them.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15466715/questions-linger-in-coronado-mansion-hanging-death

Attorneys for News 8 and several other media outlets will go to court in the coming weeks to ask a judge to unseal search warrants and affidavits in the case that should contain unreleased information from the investigation.

That would be great if they get the SW & affidavits released. They may answer many of our questions.

 

[katydid23]

I think RN told LE, she last SAW MS in the kitchen eating breakfast. After she went to the bathroom, he went upstairs,...and she may have last HEARD him running in the upstairs hallway before he fell. Seeing and hearing are 2 different things and could explain the discrepansy. It does not imply malice intent. MS was not a toddler, he was about to start 1st grade. I used to walk several blocks to school alone at that age, walked down the hall at school to the bathroom alone. The tox study was FALSE positve for benzos. I have not heard any info to suggest anything beyond a freak accident. Is there anything factual to base your suspicion?

In regards to planking-- never heard of it till this Summer when a friend posted a "plank the tank" shot. I really didn't get it at first. After this case, I asked my teen neice if she knew what planking was... and she said that some of the teens in her class were taking planking photos. Consequently, MS may have seen his teen siblings planking on the staircase, and tried to do it himself. The ball stuck on chandelier is a thought, but why would it get stuck and not roll off - and if he had a second ball then why try to get the stuck ball down... LE demo of MS running towards stairs is possible, if he tripped over dog on top of landing as he rounded the corner to go down the stairs. In the end, if it was ball stuck on chandelier or he was goofing around on the stairs for a bit, then RN may have felt grief over taking too long in bathroom and committed suicide. However, it does not make her negligent or a viscious criminal, and the two deaths are a grave trajedy.

My main concern is why would RN tell the ME one thing, that Max was last seen in the kitchen, and then tell her sisters other details, like he was last known to be playing in the hallway? If you're explanation is correct, then she should have shared that with the authorities, and not just said " he was in the kitchen last I knew.'

And if she did hear him playing in the upstairs hallway then imo, she should have left the bathroom, and gone and checked on him, and asked him not to run in the upstairs stairway area. imoo

In many ways a 6 yr old needs more supervision than a toddler. And I never said she was a vicious criminal, just that she was not a very good babysitter,imo. She should not have been in the bathroom for up to 20 minutes while she could hear Max running around in the upstairs hallway, unsupervised. That is not 'trashing' her, just stating my opinion. And the reason it is important is because I see it as a valid motivation for either her murder or her suicide.

 

[tiredblondy]

Are you surmising that he could have fallen down the stairs, and then something caused an already weakened chandelier to fall on him?

I didn't know the chandelier fell on him. I knew it was beside him on the floor. Where is the link for that?

Also I've been wondering if it was part of the chandelier that fell?

 

[SophieRose]

I didn't know the chandelier fell on him. I knew it was beside him on the floor. Where is the link for that?

Also I've been wondering if it was part of the chandelier that fell?

The SD Sheriff's diagram shows the entire chandelier coming down. It hit the right side of the first landing because there were pieces of glass from it found there.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/ms01.jpg

 

[Morag]

I didn't know the chandelier fell on him. I knew it was beside him on the floor. Where is the link for that?

Also I've been wondering if it was part of the chandelier that fell?

I was the OP who suggested that the chandelier fell to the ground, injuring Max. I am unable to see how he fell/jumped on the chandelier, so it occurred to me that perhaps the chandelier fell to the floor, knocking him down.

As to why it would fall, well chandeliers do, occasionally. Google 'chandelier falls' and you will find a number of cases, particularly in public buildings where they would definitely be publicized.

Of course, not a single one of us on this board knows for sure how the chandelier came down. It's just my opinion that it could have become loose and fallen. And no, it wouldn't have had to have fallen completely on him-but if a 100 lb +(estimated) light fixture fell, it could have knocked him down and to one side.

 

[jjenny]

I was the OP who suggested that the chandelier fell to the ground, injuring Max. I am unable to see how he fell/jumped on the chandelier, so it occurred to me that perhaps the chandelier fell to the floor, knocking him down.

As to why it would fall, well chandeliers do, occasionally. Google 'chandelier falls' and you will find a number of cases, particularly in public buildings where they would definitely be publicized.

Of course, not a single one of us on this board knows for sure how the chandelier came down. It's just my opinion that it could have become loose and fallen. And no, it wouldn't have had to have fallen completely on him-but if a 100 lb +(estimated) light fixture fell, it could have knocked him down and to one side.

If chandelier had simply fallen, it wouldn't have hit him while he was on the stairs. If he was downstairs and it fell on him I really don't think he would have gotten a severe spinal cord injury that he did.