Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[CDS22]

....precisely. I see the few rescue breaths. I'm saying that doesn't mean she only did those few breaths.

And semantics, really. I am very uncomfortable with the insinuation that because a person was not performing CPR when the professionals arrived it means she was lying about performing it to begin with. As I've said, I think there's a logical reason for her to not be performing it once they arrived. I simply wanted to point out that there are less than malicious reasons for that.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions about discrepancies.

IMO

 

[IWannaKnow]

Maybe not suggesting she killed him, but was horribly negligent, self-involved, uncaring, proprietorial, untruthful, slipshod...... THE WOMAN IS DEAD. Has she not given enough? Must she also give a pound of post-mortem flesh to atone for her perceived sins? Where is all the concern for the feelings of the Zahau family? Max is not the only person who died at the Spreckles Mansion.

 

[justice be served]

Maybe not suggesting she killed him, but was horribly negligent, self-involved, uncaring, proprietorial, untruthful, slipshod...... THE WOMAN IS DEAD. Has she not given enough? Must she also give a pound of post-mortem flesh to atone for her perceived sins? Where is all the concern for the feelings of the Zahau family? Max is not the only person who died at the Spreckles Mansion.

IWannaKnow, your 'must she give a pound of post-mortem flesh to atone for her perceived sins' sums it up perfectly about this persecution shown to a dead woman.

While I understand the anger some may feel over Max as I would as well, I am getting the feeling that some feel that Rebecca needs to be shown to be responsible for Max's death, period.

Rebecca was Jonah's two-year girlfriend and Jonah has every bit as much responsibility for Max's accident due to their living arrangement with his child involved. He seems to have been left out of the persecution argument.

 

[CDS22]

Maybe not suggesting she killed him, but was horribly negligent, self-involved, uncaring, proprietorial, untruthful, slipshod...... THE WOMAN IS DEAD. Has she not given enough? Must she also give a pound of post-mortem flesh to atone for her perceived sins? Where is all the concern for the feelings of the Zahau family? Max is not the only person who died at the Spreckles Mansion.

This thread is about MS's death. If you want to discuss RZ's death, there are multiple threads for that. MS has only one.

 

[CDS22]

IWannaKnow, your 'must she give a pound of post-mortem flesh to atone for her perceived sins' sums it up perfectly about this persecution shown to a dead woman.

While I understand the anger some may feel over Max as I would as well, I am getting the feeling that some feel that Rebecca needs to be shown to be responsible for Max's death, period.

Rebecca was Jonah's two-year girlfriend and Jonah has every bit as much responsibility for Max's accident due to their living arrangement with his child involved. He seems to have been left out of the persecution argument.

Why would you perceive it as "persecution" to ask how a small child died? To question the logistics of a chandelier being found at the shoulder of a child while a scooter lies across his shin is not "persecution".

 

[CDS22]

I've been thinking over the different theories presented on this thread for how Max was injured. The ball theory is an interesting one (Max got a ball caught in the chandelier and threw another one to try to dislodge it, lost his balance, and fell over the railing). Except - the railing was too high for him to fall over. Did he climb on it? Perhaps, but he strikes me as having been too bright to try something so dangerous. But let's suppose he did. Then if he were to fall to his death, how would he be found on his back with the scooter across his leg, and why would the balls be found by him? If the balls were in the chandelier, the force of them being knocked out with Max and the chandelier would have caused them to scatter. They wouldn't be found at the bottom of the accident scene together near a scooter and downed chandelier.

 

[CalElliot]

Does anyone have link for photo or video of chandelier in foyer during second search warrant? I thought I recalled seeing it in a news clip, but can't find it, may be mistaken.

TIA

 

[justice be served]

Well I guess we should just get back to the business of speculating on the bereaved Shacknai family. It's much more appropriate conversation to insinuate they are all murderers, bad fathers, cold hearted etc. Carry on, why investigate a little boy's suspicious death. IMO moo Mumu whatever. . .

I think the poll speaks for itself in terms of the public perception based on the information so far released.

 

[chasing.halos]

Regarding the scooter... I do find it interesting that the reenactment provided by LE in how Maxie supposedly fell does not include the scooter. If they think he was riding it, do you all think they would have included that in their reenactment? Because either the scooter went with him over the railing or the scooter happened to be downstairs, maybe propped against the railing and happened to land on Maxie after he fell.

I am NOT saying that I believe this-- but based on the autopsy (sorry I cannot read it, too horrible for me to read), do you think he could have been pushed over the railing? Or do you think he would need momentum to fall in the way LE says he did?

 

[thinkingstraight]

I would think a great deal of momentum or force would be needed to sustain such injuries. But I have absolutely no idea how he got up that much speed or force on his own.

 

[deanna82437]

Regarding the scooter... I do find it interesting that the reenactment provided by LE in how Maxie supposedly fell does not include the scooter. If they think he was riding it, do you all think they would have included that in their reenactment? Because either the scooter went with him over the railing or the scooter happened to be downstairs, maybe propped against the railing and happened to land on Maxie after he fell.

I am NOT saying that I believe this-- but based on the autopsy (sorry I cannot read it, too horrible for me to read), do you think he could have been pushed over the railing? Or do you think he would need momentum to fall in the way LE says he did?

I feel the same way about the autopsy chasing.halos. To my mind the theory about his fall posted at the Hinky Meter, makes much more sense than what they described in their Powerpoint depiction. But then, will we ever know?

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/09/09/rebecca-zahau-case-how-maxs-accident-didnt-happen/

 

[ehough22]

I am unsure of the whole physics part of his fall, given the dimensions of the stairway. If he had merely climbed on a banister and fell off (as opposed to running or riding the scooter- anything that would have given him momentum), would it have been possible for him to have grabbed the chandelier and hit the other side of the stairs? Seems to me he would fall straight down- maybe grab for the chandelier, but certainly not to the extent that he did...which takes us back to him needing momentum of some sort. So does anyone know or have an opinion? If he had been planking or the like (hate to bring that controversial topic up but I am using it as an example of how he could have been stationary and then fell), could he have accomplished what he did with the chandelier?

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Regarding the scooter... I do find it interesting that the reenactment provided by LE in how Maxie supposedly fell does not include the scooter. If they think he was riding it, do you all think they would have included that in their reenactment? Because either the scooter went with him over the railing or the scooter happened to be downstairs, maybe propped against the railing and happened to land on Maxie after he fell.

I am NOT saying that I believe this-- but based on the autopsy (sorry I cannot read it, too horrible for me to read), do you think he could have been pushed over the railing? Or do you think he would need momentum to fall in the way LE says he did?

In order to fall the way LE says he did, I think he would need lots of momentum. However...I'm not convinced anything happened the way LE says it did.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I am unsure of the whole physics part of his fall, given the dimensions of the stairway. If he had merely climbed on a banister and fell off (as opposed to running or riding the scooter- anything that would have given him momentum), would it have been possible for him to have grabbed the chandelier and hit the other side of the stairs? Seems to me he would fall straight down- maybe grab for the chandelier, but certainly not to the extent that he did...which takes us back to him needing momentum of some sort. So does anyone know or have an opinion? If he had been planking or the like (hate to bring that controversial topic up but I am using it as an example of how he could have been stationary and then fell), could he have accomplished what he did with the chandelier?

I'm not understanding the flip that LE depicts. Before the AR came out I thought OK, he was probably standing on the upper railing, fell off and broke his neck. But now that we have the AR and LE's version of how it happened I'm more confused than ever.

 

[CDS22]

I would think a great deal of momentum or force would be needed to sustain such injuries. But I have absolutely no idea how he got up that much speed or force on his own.

If the area was carpeted, there's no way I could see him getting that much force or momentum from a scooter (not to mention that his height pretty much shows he couldn't get over the railing in such a manner, so the carpeting issue is a moot point). Planking would make him fall downwards, not propel him over a bannister, so that's pretty much ruled out.

IMO

 

[CDS22]

In order to fall the way LE says he did, I think he would need lots of momentum. However...I'm not convinced anything happened the way LE says it did.

Do you have any theories on how he could have sustained his injuries?

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

If the area was carpeted, there's no way I could see him getting that much force or momentum from a scooter (not to mention that his height pretty much shows he couldn't get over the railing in such a manner, so the carpeting issue is a moot point). Planking would make him fall downwards, not propel him over a bannister, so that's pretty much ruled out.

IMO

I'm pretty confident he wasn't riding a scooter and went over the railing. I think you're absolutely right about not gaining momentum with a scooter on carpet.

 

[CDS22]

I'm pretty confident he wasn't riding a scooter and went over the railing. I think you're absolutely right about not gaining momentum with a scooter on carpet.

I can't think of what would give a small body MS's size enough momentum to fly over the stairs or railing or whatever, and into the chandelier. Plus where they say his body landed doesn't make sense.

IMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Do you have any theories on how he could have sustained his injuries?

Other than running very fast down the hallway, tripping over something and flying over the railing being a possibility, no, I don't have any theories.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I can't think of what would give a small body MS's size enough momentum to fly over the stairs or railing or whatever, and into the chandelier. Plus where they say his body landed doesn't make sense.

IMO

I agree. None of it makes any sense.