Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[Brit]

If you didn't want a child to play with a scooter indoors, wouldn't you put it in the garage? A door from the inside opening to the garage should be set to the alarm to beep, even if the alarm is off. At least, better alarm systems do that. I assume a multi-millionaire's home would be equipped with such.

If someone let Max play with a scooter indoors, he/she's negligent. If someone didn't keep Max from getting a scooter indoors, he/she is negligent.

IMO

How do any of us know for sure that he was playing with a scooter?

 

[jjenny]

How do any of us know for sure that he was playing with a scooter?

No we don't know anything for sure. I, for one, can't figure out how the scooter got across his shin.

 

[thinkingstraight]

Isn't this the thread to discuss max's death?
I'm not going over to the "case for murder " thread and disputing your hurling accusations at the Shacknai family as murderers. We need to get to the bottom of max accident. That includes making sense of R's account of how it happened. Ignore if you must but there ARE discrepancies. His death seems more mysterious than RNs. And as a mother, I feel compelled to investigate this. In fact, it might even make your case for murder more logical so why dispute our investigation into max's death?

 

[CDS22]

VERY respectfully snipped by me.

THANK YOU for voicing my thoughts Jo. Both deaths are unimaginable tragedies. A 6-year-old child died in an unnatural way. NO ONE IS FORGETTING THAT. We do not understand how it could have happened. That is frightening and cuts to the core of what we believe to be the safety that should be in any child's home. And still, tragic accidents happen every day. There is not always someone to blame. It seems to be an expectation of our times that nothing bad should EVER happen, and when it does, someone must be at fault. I am troubled by the need to condemn a dead person for this horrible accident. I have actually started to believe that RZ could very well have killed herself in agony that this horrible accident happened on her watch. But I cannot see the point in villifying her, especially if she has already paid the ultimate price.

I don't see how it villifies RZ to say that the accident report doesn't make sense. We're talking science and logic here, not vilification.

Max doesn't have a voice now. Someone needs to get to the bottom of what happened. Did an intruder break in and harm the child? Is it possible more people were in the house than the 3 reported? Why was there a scooter across the child's shin? Why were there traces of a sedative in his blood?

These are all important questions that need to be answered.

IMO

 

[CDS22]

How do any of us know for sure that he was playing with a scooter?

We don't. We just know that one was placed strategically across his leg. So strange, isn't it?

IMO

 

[CDS22]

911 was called at 1010am and apparently LE arrived at 1012- not unusual, considering the size of Coronado. And Max was taken to the local hospital by 1035- it's only a couple of minutes from their home. JS has been said to have met them there, and at some point it was said that he had been at the gym (I'm pretty sure I would never find that, so can't provide a link at this time).

Apparently they used the gym at the Del- practically next door-as well as Hollywood Fitness, which is also quite close. If that's where JS was, why didn't he meet up with the others at home while Max was being 'worked on'?

Of course, he may not have been at the gym, or he may have been at another one farther away. But if that's where he was, why did it take him so long to get to his child? I'm not criticizing him, just wondering where he was.

Someone might have failed to call him until the were on the way to the hospital, in which case it would make no sense to go home first. I almost wish that he did, though, so someone who cares about Max could have seen how he was laying, where the chandelier pieces were, etc.

 

[justice be served]

We don't. We just know that one was placed strategically across his leg. So strange, isn't it?

IMO

BBM
Did I miss something? Could you please provide the link that 'the scooter was placed strategically across his leg'? I have not been on the forum much. Thank you.

 

[IWannaKnow]

This picture, originally posted by SDSD here:
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/ms02.jpg

Clearly shows that the chandelier hangs much lower than the second floor landing. If Max went off the stairway anywhere above the third or fourth stair down from the second floor, it shouldn't be that hard for an athletic child who loved to play soccer to land on that chandelier. It is LARGE and takes up a good deal of the space in the U of the stairwell where Max fell. We are not talking about the puny light fixtures in my house, this thing is BIG and hangs much lower than perhaps is being taken into account. If he went off anywhere near where LE says he did (and if we are not going to believe that, why accept a single thing they said about either death???) I have no trouble seeing how he could have impacted with the chandelier and if the scooter was involved, it is even easier to see, in my very humble opinion.

 

[CDS22]

BBM
Did I miss something? Could you please provide the link that 'the scooter was placed strategically across his leg'? I have not been on the forum much. Thank you.

The AR states that the scooter was found across his leg. The "strategically placed" is my opinion, hence the IMO at the end of my post.

 

[MyBelle]

How do any of us know for sure that he was playing with a scooter?

All we know for certain is that a scooter was on top of his shin when LE arrived and that RN told LE that he had been told previously to not play with it.

JMO

 

[thinkingstraight]

I don't see how it villifies RZ to say that the accident report doesn't make sense. We're talking science and logic here, not vilification.

Max doesn't have a voice now. Someone needs to get to the bottom of what happened. Did an intruder break in and harm the child? Is it possible more people were in the house than the 3 reported? Why was there a scooter across the child's shin? Why were there traces of a sedative in his blood?

These are all important questions that need to be answered.

IMO

And don't forget his ability to speak while unconscious. And he was able to squeak out the name of the "culprit" no less.
Look I'm not saying she deliberately did anything to the little boy, that would take a monster. It was probably an accident, but in my opinion, she was guilty of a little too much covering her own @ss. Which makes me suspicious of the whole event.

 

[CDS22]

And don't forget his ability to speak while unconscious. And he was able to squeak out the name of the "culprit" no less.
Look I'm not saying she deliberately did anything to the little boy, that would take a monster. It was probably an accident, but in my opinion, she was guilty of a little too much covering her own @ss. Which makes me suspicious of the whole event.

Agreed. Did the police even thoroughly question the 13 year old, and why was she whisked off so quickly out of state? I just hope they questioned and everyone thoroughly because they might have been able to glean something important.

 

[CDS22]

And don't forget his ability to speak while unconscious. And he was able to squeak out the name of the "culprit" no less.
Look I'm not saying she deliberately did anything to the little boy, that would take a monster. It was probably an accident, but in my opinion, she was guilty of a little too much covering her own @ss. Which makes me suspicious of the whole event.

Another thought: He had no pulse and wasn't breathing when the police got there. Wonder if someone was surprised when they were able to get his heart started again?

IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Another thought: He had no pulse and wasn't breathing when the police got there. Wonder if someone was surprised when they were able to get his heart started again?

IMO

The big question I still have is why RN wasn't giving him CPR when LE arrived yet she told the cop she had performed rescue breathing prior to his arrival. There is no reasonable explanation for why she stopped doing the breathing.

JMO

 

[CDS22]

The big question I still have is why RN wasn't giving him CPR when LE arrived yet she told the cop she had performed rescue breathing prior to his arrival. There is no reasonable explanation for why she stopped doing the breathing.

JMO

The report says she told the police she gave Max a "few rescue breaths". "A few" doesn't sound too enthusiastic, does it?

 

[vulture]

"The only way for the scooter to go from the second floor to the bottom of the stairwell is if someone tossed the scooter over the railing, it caught the chandelier and Max tried to intervene."

I don't know if that's the only way it could have happened but it would explain a lot of things if it did happen this way.

 

[vulture]

The big question I still have is why RN wasn't giving him CPR when LE arrived yet she told the cop she had performed rescue breathing prior to his arrival. There is no reasonable explanation for why she stopped doing the breathing.

JMO

Maybe she started but gave up thinking it wasn't working. But it sure would help to know more about this part of it!

 

[CDS22]

He had to have face planted because his main injuries were on his face and head. Since he didn't use his hands to protect himself, one can only wonder if he were already unconscious before hitting the ground. The smack on the front of the head was so hard, it stretched his spinal cord, which is an extreme case of whiplash. Yet the child was found on his back, not receiving CPR, and with a scooter on top of the lower left of his right shin. Lots of bizarre things going on here.

IMO

 

[CalElliot]

I'm curious as to who called a chandelier place to get the chandelier all tidy...whose idea it was to get it instantly repaired and rehung...while Max was on life support at the hospital?

What repair place was it? Did LE talk with the staff there? Why all the dialog with the dog kennel owners and not the chandelier repair?

Also, how many feet would Max have had to have flown to land on the chandelier?

 

[SophieRose]

I'm curious as to who called a chandelier place to get the chandelier all tidy...whose idea it was to get it instantly repaired and rehung...while Max was on life support at the hospital?

What repair place was it? Did LE talk with the staff there? Why all the dialog with the dog kennel owners and not the chandelier repair?

Also, how many feet would Max have had to have flown to land on the chandelier?

The picture of the chandelier is not recent, it was taken years ago.