Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[deanna82437]

It depends how long ago the sedation was in his system, if it ever was. Since the child was never prescribed any drugs, he shouldn't have had even a trace amount of it in his system.

BBM
Do we know for a fact that he was never prescribed any drugs, though? Is there a link somewhere that states that? If so, I must have missed it.
TIA

 

[jjenny]

BBM
Do we know for a fact that he was never prescribed any drugs, though? Is there a link somewhere that states that? If so, I must have missed it.
TIA

Nope. No link whatsoever.

 

[CDS22]

How do you know the child was never prescribed any drugs? Benzos can be prescribed to children for a wide variety of reasons.

The AR. If he had been on any prescribed medication for any condition it would have been listed.

 

[CDS22]

BBM
Do we know for a fact that he was never prescribed any drugs, though? Is there a link somewhere that states that? If so, I must have missed it.
TIA

The AR mentions twice his unremarkable medical history. That means that if he had any medical issues or had been prescribed any recent medications, it would be listed. You can find the link to the AR in the first post of this thread.

 

[CDS22]

IMO he told her Max was going to die soon, that it was her fault and to get out of his house and life. He didn't want her dead, he wanted her gone and hell hath no fury etc. .

This would be a good post for the "Why you think it might be suicide" thread. I happen to agree with you.

 

[jjenny]

The AR. If he had been on any prescribed medication for any condition it would have been listed.

He was clearly given meds while in the hospital but I don't see all of those listed. So what makes you think his prescriptions had to be listed?

 

[CDS22]

I have a hard time believing that Rebecca was strong enough to lift Max over the railing and throw him hard enough that he hit the banister on the other side. I'm taller and heavier than her, physically fit, but I don't think I could do that with my daughter, who weighs almost 10 lbs less than Max. The boy was almost half of her weight! Unless she had been doing some major strength training, I just don't buy it.

I also have a hard time imagining her hurting him intentionally. I lean more towards thinking that it was an accident that constant supervision could have prevented. Since I don't think constant supervision of a 6 year old is realistic or needed, I'm not sure what she could have done.

I personally don't think MS was thrown over by a person, but I do think that RZ and even XZ could have done it. You should see some of the crazy things that some kids can do to others, including lifting and throwing them. If a 60 lb child could throw a 45 lb child, I have no problem believing RZ or XZ could have done it. However, I don't think they did. Just my opinion.

 

[CDS22]

He was clearly given meds while in the hospital but I don't see all of those listed. So what makes you think his prescriptions had to be listed?

Medications given prior to MS's hospitalization would have been listed in his medical history in the AR as opposed to simply stating, twice, that he had an unremarkable medical history.

 

[deanna82437]

The AR mentions twice his unremarkable medical history. That means that if he had any medical issues or had been prescribed any recent medications, it would be listed. You can find the link to the AR in the first post of this thread.

I have his AR in another window, but do not see any second reference to no medications. What I do see on page 3 is that they had at one point suspected a heart murmur. Would appreciate a page# if you have it.

 

[CDS22]

I have his AR in another window, but do not see any second reference to no medications. What I do see on page 3 is that they had at one point suspected a heart murmur. Would appreciate a page# if you have it.

I believe it's page 5, and that time it says "insignificant medical history" instead of unremarkable.

 

[CDS22]

What bothers me in reading the AR is the amount of bruising on the rest of his body. I believe it's pages 9-10 in the PDF reader, and pages 5-7 on the actual pages of the report.

 

[deanna82437]

I believe it's page 5, and that time it says "insignificant medical history" instead of unremarkable.

It's actually page 2 of the AR which still suggests the heart murmur which had not been followed up on. I must disagree with you though, on your assumption as to absolutely no medications prescribed to him. IMO, I don't see the AR as being that conclusive of same.

 

[CDS22]

It's actually page 2 of the AR which still suggests the heart murmur which had not been followed up on. I must disagree with you though, on your assumption as to absolutely no medications prescribed to him. IMO, I don't see the AR as being that conclusive of same.

We specifically know the tranquilizer was not prescribed to him because if it was, it would have said such-and-such amount of drug was found in his system and prescribed for such-and-such and was taken last at such-and-such time. They also wouldn't have been surprised it was in his body.

 

[jjenny]

We specifically know the tranquilizer was not prescribed to him because if it was, it would have said such-and-such amount of drug was found in his system and prescribed for such-and-such and was taken last at such-and-such time. They also wouldn't have been surprised it was in his body.

What was in his body? We know that he actually didn't have the "tranquilizer" in his system because the second test showed there was no tranquilizer in his system. The first test was false positive, so all of this discussion is moot.

 

[CDS22]

What was in his body? We know that he actually didn't have the "tranquilizer" in his system because the second test showed there was no tranquilizer in his system. The first test was false positive, so all of this discussion is moot.

I posted a link earlier in this thread that states that the second test might have come clean because either there was a false positive OR because there was too small a trace of drug in his body to be detected. Remember, time elapsed between the first and second blood test which would give the drug enough time to leave his system, IF the amount was small enough.

IMO

 

[JBean]

I posted a link earlier in this thread that states that the second test might have come clean because either there was a false positive OR because there was too small a trace of drug in his body to be detected. Remember, time elapsed between the first and second blood test which would give the drug enough time to leave his system, IF the amount was small enough.

IMO

Do forensic blood (or other) tests change significantly after time? ( not including error or false positives)

 

[SunnieRN]

Because leaving him would probably give him what he wanted. I think she was angry. I also think she might have downplayed the severity of her OWN situation to save face in front of her sister or maybe even denial. Again, this is the wrong thread and I dont want to get in trouble anymore!

I am sorry, but by the time someone is 32, I hope they have learned that if you have to play games, you are not with the right person.

This is imo only and I am not trying to bash you, but looking at Rebecca, an adult, able to make her own decisions, free to come and go at will, I can not see her not leaving, because it might 'give him what he wanted'. Since it was JS home, he could have easily gotten that, if it was what he wanted.

What was in his body? We know that he actually didn't have the "tranquilizer" in his system because the second test showed there was no tranquilizer in his system. The first test was false positive, so all of this discussion is moot.

If you look at the dates, the second test was MUCH later. The medication would have left Max's body anyway by then, whether it was present the day of the accident or not, imho.

 

[CDS22]

Do forensic blood (or other) tests change significantly after time? ( not including error or false positives)

I don't know what you're asking.

 

[JBean]

I don't know what you're asking.

well if tests are done after death and the system is not processing anything, I am wondering if toxicology levels change significantly with time as they do in the living.

 

[jjenny]

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If you look at the dates, the second test was MUCH later. The medication would have left Max's body anyway by then, whether it was present the day of the accident or not, imho.

I presume they tested the same sample they have taken upon his arrival to the hospital.