Discussion: Is TH responsible for Kyron's disappearance? #2(POLL ADDED)

[Donjeta]

If Terri planned it it would have been very suspicious if she was spotted leaving with Kyron but I'm not sure that it would have mattered very much even if the teacher had called her at some point of the day. If she did something to him it can't have taken her all morning and there can't have been several hours worth of cleaning up afterwards if it's true that she went shopping and to the gym as well. She might have been done by the time the teacher got around to calling her or she could have bought herself some more time by ignoring the call and letting them talk to Kaine first, saying that she didn't hear the phone ring if anyone asks later why she didn't answer her phone.

 

[goatman]

I feel TH may or may not know anything. The fact she has lied to me doesn't really mean that much. I say this because she could just be a compulsive liar, lots of people out there are, and lying about things and confabulating, way before Kyron went missing!
As difficult and horrible this must be for the bio mother, my question would be, would you trust the two people that cheated behind your back with each other to raise your baby? They proved to be untrustworthy with their affair. She went through all of that, and then said ok. now you can have my little boy! Wether she was sick or not, couldn't she have let a grandparent help with his care until she got better? I would of asked my mother for help with that, rather than trust the two people that had made my life a misery.
I also feel Kyron's mother would have had good grounds because of her husband's affair ,to gain full custody of her son, with letting him have the access visits.
What broke my heart the most was to hear on NG last night that Kyron cried to his mother, could he please go and live with her? How awful now for what these circumstances this has brought about for that beautiful little boy, my heart breaks for him, wherever he might be.
I hope and Pray that bio mom is right, that he is alive somewhere, and that she will have him safe in her arms soon.

RBBM:

I believe that KH however refuted this and stated that it wasn't as nearly as bad as that...that Kyron never begged him to go live with his mom. THIS is a matter of perspective...and much as been speculated about 'grass is greener here'.

IDK...

 

[Donjeta]

RBBM:

I believe that KH however refuted this and stated that it wasn't as nearly as bad as that...that Kyron never begged him to go live with his mom. THIS is a matter of perspective...and much as been speculated about 'grass is greener here'.

IDK...

This is yet another of those things that could go both ways. DY might be exaggerating Kyron's desire to move in with her because she feels guilty and thinks that Kyron would not be missing if he'd lived with her but then Kaine might be minimizing Kyron's desire to move in with Desiree because he doesn't want to think about his son being unhappy at their home.

Then it might simply be that Kyron used a bit of blended family children's diplomacy and expressed his feelings differently depending on which home he was at and what the parents didn't want to hear.

 

[Adrienne37]

Maybe, her silence is a way to keep the focus on Kyron. Let's say she is innocent, with her silence and refusal to make public announcements/appearances and to discus everything and the kitchen sink she is "taking it". By not being in the public arena she is encouraging the public to NOT focus on her, and she is denying them more fodder.The sexting ect. was all done in PRIVATE and while not morally okay with me, it WAS PRIVATE. She didn't turn her life into a soap opera-we have (with material provided by her friends and family).

We don't know what things she has done to help find Kyron...and I doubt we will get a presser telling us, I just don't see DY/KH coming out and saying "yeah, TH wanted to do this...and this...and this...but we told her get the fudge away"

Maybe I am an optimist, but until told otherwise...I am going to believe that she has helped. Why not believe? If I were guilty I would do everything possible to make people think I was innocent...which means helping out.

Honestly, the only thing in my personal opinion that could possibly point to her guilt is the MFH plot-which has so many holes in it (least of all the botched sting). Everything else points to her not prescribing to the same morals as I...not being a 'moral' person doesn't make one guilty...

Yea I suppose in her own mind she has helped. I guess that's what she called herself doing when she was sexting her husband's high school friend and sending him provocative photos of herself via text. Maybe she had a "Help Find Kyron" shirt tied around her neck as a scarf and thought that would do the trick. JMO.

 

[goatman]

Yea I suppose in her own mind she has helped. I guess that's what she called herself doing when she was sexting her husband's high school friend and sending him provocative photos of herself via text. Maybe she had a "Help Find Kyron" shirt tied around her neck as a scarf and thought that would do the trick. JMO.

Maybe I am 'of the texting generation' but for me, just as I would not accuse DY and TY of not caring about Kyron when/if they are intimate, or if KH were, I won't criticize TH for doing it. Do I think sexting is awkward...and really really weird YES. BUT if that is the only 'comfort' an innocent woman had/has (if she is innocent) then I do not find that wrong or in implication of her not caring.

There is a difference b/w private intimate lives that affect a case, and private intimate lives that should, simply remain private.

As it is I don't see the sexting (as if it were to stand alone) worth mentioning.

 

[Jo in Calif]

But how could she even begin to guess that no one would see her? It's a pretty crappy plan to just HOPE no one sees you.

And then what does she say? She can't just suddenly remember that the appointment is for the next week and march him back into the school. If she says, "Oh we're on our way to an appt." then what does she tell Kyron? There is no appointment! What if he told Kaine? "Hey, Mom took me from school today and told Mrs. Jones I had a doctor appointment but we really just went to the grocery store and the gym!"

There is also a risk that the teacher will vividly remember and be SURE that Terri said she was taking him to the doctor. Obviously that is not the case, or they wouldn't have spent so much time searching in and around the school for a child who wandered away.

There is a risk Kyron would have told someone, anyone, that he had an appointment and would/would not be back later for the talent show. Obviously there has been no witness who could say that for the same reasons.

There is a risk that the teacher could have been unsure and called Terri on her cell (all three of my kids' schools have mine, my DH's, and all 4 grandparents' numbers). Just to double check that she had him. How could Terri even begin to guess that the teacher wouldn't check? I know it was a crazy day but, having taught this age, I would be even more cautious b/c it was abnormal. I would be counting (like the parent volunteer did) regularly and wondering...hmmm...did Terri take him or is he in the gym and hasn't even noticed we came back to the room? ESPECIALLY with a kid who has trouble with directions and might get distracted.

The fact is that somehow Kyron left the school without being seen, but I don't know how anyone could have planned that. That's what makes me lean toward a SO who just happened to spot Kyron on his own for a minute.

This is what keeps me on the fence...I just can't picture any way that it makes sense.

I am not trying to argue the fact that any of the things you said could have happened, they didn't. I am just saying that if she did in fact set up the alibi about the Dr. appt. and walked out of the school with him, and this is in fact what she did, IMO, she wasn't caught. None of the other scenarios happened, she was home free. All she had to do was say the teacher was mistaken on the day of the Dr. appt. This is all MIO, and MY reason for thinking Terry is guilty of taking him from the school. I have absolutely no idea what she did with him after that. MIO

 

[cypress]

FWIW, Kaine stated Kyron also cried when he had to go to Desiree's. Both parents agreed that he'd had trouble transitioning between the two homes.

 

[Mamietwo]

I think what most people found objectionable with a dollop of YUCK!, and of course prompted by the media, was the fact that Kaine wasn't cold out of the house yet when this sexting took place. That plus the fact that the little boy Terri cared for and showed love to for atleast the past five years of his seven years of life was mysteriously missing. Very mysteriously, like vanished into thin air. So the fact that these facts came to light are pretty disturbing to the general public and the public (with good cause) thinks Terri should have had far more important things on her mind.

 

[BringKyronHome]

I am not trying to argue the fact that any of the things you said could have happened, they didn't. I am just saying that if she did in fact set up the alibi about the Dr. appt. and walked out of the school with him, and this is in fact what she did, IMO, she wasn't caught. None of the other scenarios happened, she was home free. All she had to do was say the teacher was mistaken on the day of the Dr. appt. This is all MIO, and MY reason for thinking Terry is guilty of taking him from the school. I have absolutely no idea what she did with him after that. MIO

But the thing is that if she did walk out of the school with him, there is no way that she could know that no one would see that, or remember that...it's a terrible plan. For all she knows Mrs Porter could have been looking out the window at that exact moment and she couldn't know that...or anyone else equally as cedible.

If this was a plan it's a terrible one. A better plan would be getting lost at the mall or something. So many people think this is such a good plan JUST because the school turned out to be so horribly insecure and oblivious...but there is NO WAY a person could count on all this...how could she know that she wouldn't bump into a parent in the parking lot...

It really makes no sense to PLAN this...

 

[cluciano63]

I think it was a badly-conceived plan as well, if it was a plan. She can't be both a criminal mastermind and such a total screw-up at the same time, in my opinion. She'd have a better alibi than driving around for 90 minutes, if the timeline we have been going by is even true as reported. She'd have made sure she was on camera enough of the day not to leave a gap that large. It would not take that long to dispose of Kyron so that she could not be right back in another store or gas station with cameras and credit card receipts.

I've said from the start that if she is guilty, it was accidental and I have learned nothing to make me think otherwise. Not even D or K could come up with a motive and if they could, believe me, they'd tell it, as they are not shy about accusing her.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Maybe I am 'of the texting generation' but for me, just as I would not accuse DY and TY of not caring about Kyron when/if they are intimate, or if KH were, I won't criticize TH for doing it. Do I think sexting is awkward...and really really weird YES. BUT if that is the only 'comfort' an innocent woman had/has (if she is innocent) then I do not find that wrong or in implication of her not caring.

There is a difference b/w private intimate lives that affect a case, and private intimate lives that should, simply remain private.

As it is I don't see the sexting (as if it were to stand alone) worth mentioning.

I agree to an extent. Although it could be nothing more than doing it for some kind of comfort reason through this, she could very well have been sexting this guy to take the focus off of what was really going on. Perhaps there is someone she is deeply involved with, and was afraid it was going to be found out...so 3 weeks in, she created a reason for the focus to change..
The one she doesn't want LE finding out about, is likely the one who knows the most.. JMHO

 

[gwenabob]

I also feel Kyron's mother would have had good grounds because of her husband's affair ,to gain full custody of her son, with letting him have the access visits.

sbm

No on this. There is no way a judge would deny a child access to a parent due to infidelity by the parent. Two separate issues.

 

[gwenabob]

Maybe I am 'of the texting generation' but for me, just as I would not accuse DY and TY of not caring about Kyron when/if they are intimate, or if KH were, I won't criticize TH for doing it. Do I think sexting is awkward...and really really weird YES. BUT if that is the only 'comfort' an innocent woman had/has (if she is innocent) then I do not find that wrong or in implication of her not caring.

There is a difference b/w private intimate lives that affect a case, and private intimate lives that should, simply remain private.

As it is I don't see the sexting (as if it were to stand alone) worth mentioning.

Somehow I doubt DY and TY have been "whooping it up" these past few weeks. I don't think Kaine has been sexting some old friend of Terri's. I think it means a lot. I think it goes to show state of mind. She was not upset at all. She was already moving on to the next victim.

 

[Jack]

Just out of curiosity...what do we know "specifically" that TH has done with a constructive purpose in trying to locate Kyron? Did she help design a Find Kyron T-Shirt, Poster, Flier, etc? I'm interested to know what she has been involved with besides attending a couple LE & Family pressers & sometimes cooperating with LE.

What really have any of the family members done except have press conferences and wear t-shirts? There isn't much any of them can do. Since criminal activity has occurred and they could all be potential suspects they shouldn't be allowed to physically search. They can only talk to LE when LE wants to talk to them and wait. When DY and KH accuse TH of not doing anything to help find Kyron what they mean is that she hasn't confessed and told LE where Kyron is. So they are assuming she is guilty and can do such a thing. Maybe she isn't guilty. But then, maybe she is and she is exercising her right against self incrimination.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

This might be OT but i reflect on the Sommer Thompson case here. It was broad daylight with people everywhere when she went missing after school, yet nobody really saw anything much of any consequence at her disappearance on that fateful day! She was seen at a couple of places and then zilch, nothing after that.
I just have a hard time thinking of why TH would take the trouble to take Kyron to school and then what? abduct him a short time later? I also agree with the posters that mention the fact the risk she would of taken of beeing seen taking him with her again after him being at the school. Does anyone think its possible that Kyron wandered off of his own accord away from the school at all? If he did have some problems with certain things maybe he got some idea in his mind, as little children do, and went off by himself on some little adventure and got himself lost in the woods? There were quite a few hours that were unaccounted for until he was found to be missing. Just thinking of other possibilities. I wonder how far they searched around the area of the school surrounds, and did they have any sniffer dogs to maybe help locate him?
As far as the school having any accountability, i thought if a child is removed from the school for any reason, wouldn't they have to be officially signed out at the office/admin. part of the school before they are allowed to leave?
I know my son that is in HS has to have my permission to leave the school grounds for any reason, if getting out before school is let out for the day.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

sbm

No on this. There is no way a judge would deny a child access to a parent due to infidelity by the parent. Two separate issues.

OK, Thanks for claryfying.
Is it true that Kyron's mother was denied custody because she was ill? I can't remember where i heard that, but i know i did. I would think that would be a very cruel reason to deny the bio. mother custody if true.

 

[Jo in Calif]

But the thing is that if she did walk out of the school with him, there is no way that she could know that no one would see that, or remember that...it's a terrible plan. For all she knows Mrs Porter could have been looking out the window at that exact moment and she couldn't know that...or anyone else equally as cedible.

If this was a plan it's a terrible one. A better plan would be getting lost at the mall or something. So many people think this is such a good plan JUST because the school turned out to be so horribly insecure and oblivious...but there is NO WAY a person could count on all this...how could she know that she wouldn't bump into a parent in the parking lot...

It really makes no sense to PLAN this...

O.K I'm having a really hard time here giving my opinion of why I think Terry is guilty of taking Kyron out of the school, by simply walking out with him. I keep getting reasons that could have happened, IF in fact she did just that. With her alibi, of the Dr. appt. and just walking out. No one is telling me why that couldn't have happened

 

[cluciano63]

She could have just walked out with him. But apparently no one saw her do it, or I think she would be facing some charges by now.

 

[gwenabob]

OK, Thanks for claryfying.
Is it true that Kyron's mother was denied custody because she was ill? I can't remember where i heard that, but i know i did. I would think that would be a very cruel reason to deny the bio. mother custody if true.

I don't think anyone denied her custody. She was sick, and let Kaine have custody while she was away. When she came back from Canada, she was $30,000 in debt and had to live with her parents. She was still having health problems. By the time she was well enough to take him, he had been there awhile and most people believe a judge would be reluctant to move him yet again as long as he was healthy and happy with his dad. Plus she didn't really have the funds to hire an attorney to fight a most probably losing battle. I bet she wishes she had fought for him in hindsight.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

This is yet another of those things that could go both ways. DY might be exaggerating Kyron's desire to move in with her because she feels guilty and thinks that Kyron would not be missing if he'd lived with her but then Kaine might be minimizing Kyron's desire to move in with Desiree because he doesn't want to think about his son being unhappy at their home.

Then it might simply be that Kyron used a bit of blended family children's diplomacy and expressed his feelings differently depending on which home he was at and what the parents didn't want to hear.

It is a difficult situation for sure with children that come from a separation/divorce situation. I experienced the same many years ago with one of my children, a son that was 4yrs. old at the time, so i know what you mean about "the blended family child diplomacy". I was feeling in a bit of a dilemma at the time, about what would be best for my son. Upon an appnt. at the Family Law Court, i did have the decision made by lawyers there, that stated, that for a young child it is always in the child's best interest to be living with the biological mother, with the biological father to have access and visitation rights, so that the child grows up getting to know the father. This was the Law at the time was determined also by child psychologists in conjunction with legal representatives, as to what is best for a child that is not old enough to decide for itself. In a Normal situation that is! I also understand that every individual situation is different.