Discussion: Is TH responsible for Kyron's disappearance? #2(POLL ADDED)

[Deleted member 718]

Missing baby Sabrina Aisenberg. Parents were the suspects, it was a nightmare! That is the first case that pops in mind. As far as I know, Sabrina has never been found.

Also know of literally hundreds of smaller focus local cases from different areas, but not big media. Sure there are plenty out there.

I remember Ed Smart begging and pleading with Richard Ricci, the handyman who died in jail. Turns out he was not involved with Elizabeth and his wife won a suit against the state.

Also Ed's brother's polygraph results were inconclusive

 

[nursebeeme]

the difference in this case is that Richard Ricci was not last seen with Elizabeth Smart. Terri Moulton was last seen with Kyron.

 

[debs]

the difference in this case is that Richard Ricci was not last seen with Elizabeth Smart. Terri Moulton was last seen with Kyron.

Elizabeth's family was the last to see her, as well. Except for the person who came in and took her, that is.

 

[Sherbie]

I remember Ed Smart begging and pleading with Richard Ricci, the handyman who died in jail. Turns out he was not involved with Elizabeth and his wife won a suit against the state.

Also Ed's brother's polygraph results were inconclusive

I believe his wife won a suit against the dept of corrections but the suits she filed against the police dept and at least one individual officer, alleging they had no cause to consider him a suspect, were dismissed (IIRC -- been a while).

 

[Sherbie]

Elizabeth's family was the last to see her, as well. Except for the person who came in and took her, that is.

True, Debs -- there's always a next to last person to have seen a victim!

 

[Donjeta]

IMO it's not quite fair to compare the cases of someone taken from her bedroom at night and a child taken from a crowded public place in the morning. There are more people up and about at daytime and you might have more sightings of him with the abductor in a town 20 miles from there than if the deed is done at night when it's dark and most people are asleep.

Also, if a child is abducted from her bedroom at night you would expect her family to be the last people to see her before the abduction, but Kyron was taken from a school full of people and the last known person to see him could have been anyone from the teachers, the janitor, the classmates, any other school children, their parents, the guy delivering food to the school cafeteria, people driving down the road passing the school and seeing him at the yard, and it stands out as a huge coincidence that a family member was the last to see him,

Nobody else reportedly saw him after his stepmom left. A family member was the last to see him (or so we've been told), and IMO it becomes more significant because it squeezes the timeline very thin. It's not a case of a child left playing at a park, wandering about, who went missing sometime between 5 and 6 pm, it's very specific. At 8:45 am. Terri says she left Kyron in the hallway and he was about to walk the 50 yards or so to his classroom. Even if the hallway was empty at the time and nobody saw him or paid any attention to him at the time he should have been in his classroom by 8:46 am. and he'd have been observed by at least some of his classmates and his teacher and the chaperons and parents who were there. Apparently he never got there because LE wouldn't have said Terri was the last to see him if several other people did.

So what happened? Unless Terri misrepresented their parting and last sighting of Kyron somehow, what went on during that half a minute in which he should have been able to make it to his classroom but didn't? Was the abductor in the hallway and grabbed Kyron the moment Terri looked away? Did Kyron decide he didn't want to go to class and wander off the moment Terri looked away, maybe go to the bathroom and got abducted from there? It is certainly possible if the hallway was empty and nobody was paying any attention to an abductor or a wandering second grader but I don't think anyone said that Kyron used to have any trouble with attendance and he might not have wanted to be late for class.

 

[mayagrl]

:furious:



They will also try to put on a happy face to try stay out of trouble and lessen the abuse, too bad it doesn't work. His little happy face convinces me that TH is guilty and it was premeditated. How could anyone with any compassion, love, empathy, or moral compass sit by while KH and Des suffer for their son. I have no doubt she is as sociopathetic as they come. She is out of control, a manipulator, and from what I've seen has betrayed everyone who ever loved her. I hope someone rolls over and tells where Kyron is and helps bring him home. However it won't be Terri unless it is to save her skin. MOO IMO

I apologize for my angry post. I don't really believe it, but I'm hoping and praying Kyron is still alive. I'll try to be more tactful in the future. I really appreciate the varied views posted here. Thanks for letting me participate. :angel:

 

[nosysw]

I apologize for my angry post. I don't really believe it, but I'm hoping and praying Kyron is still alive. I'll try to be more tactful in the future. I really appreciate the varied views posted here. Thanks for letting me participate. :angel:

I think we've all gotten angry about one thing or another in this case and you stated your opinion which is what we're all doing at this point. I didn't take your anger to be aimed at another poster and while we may not all agree, I think we're generally pretty respectful...All points of view welcome. :sunshine:

 

[cluciano63]

Usually in a case with a "suspect", I feel more certain LE is on the right track as time goes by, but I am not feeling that with this case. I have been feeling uncomfortable all along.

I think I need a more comfortable fence, as I may be on it for a while...

 

[froginTtown]

http://www.linkedin.com/in/terrihorman

I just came across this...and have been looking for something that has info. in it about her experience with the school system and children.... and I found it... Mods, I hope this is allowed and didn't know where to put it... thanks....

I believe that she is behind Kyrons disappearance... I'm just stuck on what she may have done with him... She obviously made a career around children... but that doesn't make anyone inocent either...:waitasec:

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

No, I am not convinced in any way that she is involved

 

[nosysw]

http://www.linkedin.com/in/terrihorman

I just came across this...and have been looking for something that has info. in it about her experience with the school system and children.... and I found it... Mods, I hope this is allowed and didn't know where to put it... thanks....

I believe that she is behind Kyrons disappearance... I'm just stuck on what she may have done with him... She obviously made a career around children... but that doesn't make anyone inocent either...:waitasec:

Her resume is very unclear to me...Somewhere I know I read that she has a Master's Degree (which I think but am not sure you need to be a Reading Specialist) but I didn't see it here. She makes it look like she is currently working as a Reading Specialist but then you see later that she is volunteering. It looks like she was a teacher for 6 years but then what happened? She should have been tenured so even if she took Family Leave for the baby her job would have been waiting...So, I'm not sure if that was a paid position either. Is it that hard to get a teaching job there (don't know the market)? Seems like her credentials and contacts (from so much time in the schools) would make her a shoe-in...Very skeptical of this info...Doesn't mean she's responsible for KH's disappearance but again, could go to credibility...

 

[AvalonBlue]

Subtitle: "Just because there may be a witch hunt doesn't mean there's not a witch." oke:
(And, you can quote me on that.)

ALL BELOW IS TOTALLY MOO

IMO, + some of the news reports from the courthouse and other local commentators on the news this week, I believe there will be many more witnesses before this GJ comes to a conclusion.

I don't have the link at my fingertips, however, I know I have heard and read this week that there will be witnesses from the school (from all job positions), parents from the school, as well as other family members (both sides), additional people who may have seen TH and/or DD on June 4th, etc.

I do believe LE has a lot of information they have kept close to the vest and that we will be surprised when we find out how much. Yes, we've had our "unnamed reliable sources," et. al. -- some leaks, etc. -- however, I think LE :cop: has done an excellent job of frustrating us -- and therefore doing an excellent job! We should not know, or really expect to know a lot at this point -- although that doesn't mean I don't want to know! :crystal ball:

It is very interesting that we really have not heard directly from KH and DY this week, with the exception of KH confirming that he testified before the GJ.

I do think this is significant. As vocal as they have been -- and now to have this communication "void" this week, is of course, in part, related to the GJ and the need to respect the process -- and, I think it's more than just that.

I do believe it would have to be revealed if Kyron was found -- so I don't think that has happened. I do think, however, that LE, the DA's office and perhaps any individual/family counselors involved have been working with KH and DY around needing to face that the worst may have happened to Ky. I dislike saying this because I don't want to believe he's gone, however, I do believe there may have been some new developments in the case that lead authorities to not be able to continue to confirm to the parents that Ky is alive somewhere. (Once again, this is all MOO.)

I think that if TH knew anything about Ky being held somewhere she would have "come clean" by now -- if only to save herself and plead guilty to lesser charges than murder.

She must know that as things stand, that in addition to the disappearance of Ky, she's facing the alleged MFH issue, the alleged violation of the RO, a divorce, custody issues, etc. Even IF the other alleged situations don't pan out, they still have to be resolved in some way. And, just from a "cold, hard, 'facts' point of view" hey, kidnapping, conspiracy, etc. can be viewed as a piece of cake compared to facing murder charges. As one wise WS poster has in their tagline: "When your pants are on fire, it's suddenly not nearly as important as to whether or not you're a liar." (I hope I quoted that correctly, and if anyone knows who this poster is, please let me know so I can give them credit!) :bowdown:

It's my hunch that as far as DD goes, she's not "guilty" except for the "crime" of perhaps having a "superior attitude" issue, a broken "friend picker," and a strong belief in the constitutional rights of people questioned extensively by police (due to her upbringing having a dad who's LE.)

I'm not saying I agree with what she may have done to "help" TH or the way in which she may have done it. I do know that as a therapist and advocate for my clients, I would go into protective mode if a client were in TH's situation -- as in strongly encouraging the client to get an attorney, etc.

My impression from the total time involved in following this case is that TH is a master game player and all her friends probably know different parts of the "truth" when it comes to her stories -- not just about this situation, but about her life in general. I could write a whole treatise about this aspect of things and what it indicates to me about her personality, however, I think I'll just stop here about that for now.

I agree with posters who have stated all along that *if* TH is responsible for Ky's disappearance, she never dreamed it would get this complicated. She thought she was so smart in how she planned things out: picking an out-of-the-ordinary day due to the Science Fair, the "mis-communication" about the MD appointment, her knowledge of how the school operated, etc.

I also think that when the alleged MFH didn't originally pan out -- and she re-thought things -- that's when she realized that getting Ky out of the way and then working on Kaine "removal" was the smartest plan in terms of getting her freedom and the money to support that freedom.

TH volunteered at the school for several years and knew the system inside and out, in my opinion. I believe she had a contingency plan if she was clearly spotted and engaged in conversation, etc. with someone as she prepared to leave the school with Ky. She would have aborted the plan and tried it again at a later date -- though I think it would have incensed her because she had planned everything out so carefully in picking a busy day at the end of the school year, setting up the MD appointment confusion, emailing the teacher about when to pick up Ky's project, etc.

Much of this has been covered and recovered here on many threads -- so I'm attempting to keep it simple in not re-hashing all the in's and out's and possibilities.

I basically think she basically set it up as a "simple" thing and worked out certain contingencies -- and then it all blew up on her. It seemed so easy that she could blame the school.

I won't be surprised if it turns out that LE learned LOTS from their school interviews and the questionnaire -- and it will be interesting to see if anyone DID see TH leave with Ky -- however, I don't really know that that particular clear-cut piece of information will turn out to be as crucial as we may think.

I have no problem with believing that TH thought that it was a relatively simple plan to leave with Ky (or have him meet her at the truck) and that NO ONE WOULD NOTICE because WHY WOULD THEY REALLY?

On that day, at that time, in that situation, why would someone be watching for that? She banked on the fact that people generally don't notice the "ordinary" -- and what's more ordinary than a school parking lot, even on a busy morning, when parents and children are entering and exiting vehicles, arriving and leaving?

Once again, ALL of this is MOO. I'm not Stephen King for a reason -- I can't stand the suspense! :shocked2:

So, in lieu of a perfectly rendered every-single-detail-thought-out novel, my brain needs to "cut to the chase" and attempt to figure out "Who Done It?" -- which means I am not even pretending to give an unbiased, innocent until proven guilty, "Here, let me read you your Miranda rights" viewpoint.
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[BeanE]

Subtitle: "Just because there may be a witch hunt doesn't mean there's not a witch." oke:
(And, you can quote me on that.)

ALL BELOW IS TOTALLY MOO

IMO, + some of the news reports from the courthouse and other local commentators on the news this week, I believe there will be many more witnesses before this GJ comes to a conclusion.

I don't have the link at my fingertips, however, I know I have heard and read this week that there will be witnesses from the school (from all job positions), parents from the school, as well as other family members (both sides), additional people who may have seen TH and/or DD on June 4th, etc.

That was a talking head speculating, wasn't it? I haven't seen any other reports on anyone coming forward and saying they were subpoenaed other than the woman who testified yesterday who had apparently told some reporters a few days ago she'd been subpoenaed.

 

[STEADFAST]

Her resume is very unclear to me...Somewhere I know I read that she has a Master's Degree (which I think but am not sure you need to be a Reading Specialist) but I didn't see it here. She makes it look like she is currently working as a Reading Specialist but then you see later that she is volunteering. It looks like she was a teacher for 6 years but then what happened? She should have been tenured so even if she took Family Leave for the baby her job would have been waiting...So, I'm not sure if that was a paid position either. Is it that hard to get a teaching job there (don't know the market)? Seems like her credentials and contacts (from so much time in the schools) would make her a shoe-in...Very skeptical of this info...Doesn't mean she's responsible for KH's disappearance but again, could go to credibility...

"In about 2004, she earned a master's in education from Pacific University in Forest Grove. " http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Notice how the quote is "in about 2004." Obviously, the reporter did not confirm this information.

The above linked article and this one provide a rough outline of Terri's life: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

Here's a summary:
1970 Terri born
1988 Terri attends community college
1991 Terri marries RT
1994 Terri has son
1995 Terri and RT divorce
1996 Terri marries RE
1998 RE adopts Terri's son
2000 Terri earns B.A. lives in Eugene

2001
Terri and RE move to Beaverton
Terri works as substitute teacher, including long-term assignments

2002
Terri works as substitute teacher, including long-term assignments
Terri and RE divorce
Kyron born

2003
Kaine and Desiree divorce
Terri begins working as on-call substitute (short-term assignments)
Kyron lives with Desiree

2004
Kyron lives with Desiree
Desiree goes to Canada for health reasons for two months
Kyron moves in with his dad
Terri and her son move in with Kaine
Desiree moves back to Portland after 2 months away
"about 2004" Terri earns M.A.

2005
Terri working on as on-call substitute (or not teaching or subbing, depending on which paragraph of the article you're reading.)
Terri wins 4th in bodybuilding contest
Terri charged with DUI and reckless child endangerment (pled guilty)

2006
Terri working as on-call substitute (short-term assignments)

2007
Kaine and Terri get married

2008
Kaine and Terri have a baby

2010
Terri's son J moves in with grandparents, then with RE
Terri becomes the last known person to see Kyron before he goes missing


I, too, find her educational claims to be kind of suspect.

 

[nosysw]

"In about 2004, she earned a master's in education from Pacific University in Forest Grove. " http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Notice how the quote is "in about 2004." Obviously, the reporter did not confirm this information.

The above linked article and this one provide a rough outline of Terri's life: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

Here's a summary:
1970 Terri born
1988 Terri attends community college
1991 Terri marries RT
1994 Terri has son
1995 Terri and RT divorce
1996 Terri marries RE
1998 RE adopts Terri's son
2000 Terri earns B.A. lives in Eugene

2001
Terri and RE move to Beaverton
Terri works as substitute teacher, including long-term assignments

2002
Terri works as substitute teacher, including long-term assignments
Terri and RE divorce
Kyron born

2003
Kaine and Desiree divorce
Terri begins working as on-call substitute (short-term assignments)
Kyron lives with Desiree

2004
Kyron lives with Desiree
Desiree goes to Canada for health reasons for two months
Kyron moves in with his dad
Terri and her son move in with Kaine
Desiree moves back to Portland after 2 months away
"about 2004" Terri earns M.A.

2005
Terri working on as on-call substitute (or not teaching or subbing, depending on which paragraph of the article you're reading.)
Terri wins 4th in bodybuilding contest
Terri charged with DUI and reckless child endangerment (pled guilty)

2006
Terri working as on-call substitute (short-term assignments)

2007
Kaine and Terri get married

2008
Kaine and Terri have a baby

2010
Terri's son J moves in with grandparents, then with RE
Terri becomes the last known person to see Kyron before he goes missing


I, too, find her educational claims to be kind of suspect.

Thanks- that was very clear and I appreciate you taking the time to do it...Would like to see the Master's Degree, lol...about 2004, or kind of a Master's degree? You're right- doesn't seem to be a lot of fact checking...

So she never had a certified teaching position...So her linked-in resume is really very misleading...Many if not most of the long-term teachers in my district end of getting full-time positions at some point...Doesn't make her a kidnapper or murderer but it all does say something...

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I don't know if this has been mentioned but does anyone find it odd, that when Kyron went missing his bag and coat were still at the school? I thought i read it was raining that day, but can't remember if it said what the temperature was that day? Was it cold or cooler than some of us experience living in different States? If you were leaving to take your child to a doctor's appnt. wouldn't you get him to put on his coat if the weather were miserable, or at least take the coat with you if he didn't really have far to go to the car? Unless this was a spare coat he kept at school, i just find this unusual. And then was it a coat he had worn to school that day, or was he even at school on the day he went missing? I would imagine the bag is something a child takes to school on a daily basis, just judging this from my son that goes to High School. I know sometimes he hasn't needed to take his bag, around exam time, but it usually doesn't stay at the school.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think we know for sure his bag and coat were left...at least not officially. Only Terri's mom said that they had dropped his stuff in his classroom before touring the exibits and she would only know what Terri told her. LE never confirmed anything about his belongings that I know of.

 

[trafficsUP66]

I voted for certain TH is involved.

For many reasons, most of which has been discussed here at WS.

O/T but I just need to ask if any one remembers or heard about the horrific case quite some time ago, of a stepmother who donned a wig, went into the school and signed out her stepchild in the middle of the afternoon. She had TWO friend's with her, one drove, the other actually helped her kill this child in the backseat of her car as they drove around. It took a long time, the child fought so hard for his/her life (tho I'm pretty sure it was a little boy) they wound up stopping and setting him on fire.
TWO of her friend's helped her to do this over JEALOUSY of the attention the child received from his father. And, I believe she was pregnant with their child together and didn't want the stepchild in the way. From all reports of family/friends, she was a "loving and hands on stepmother"!
When I heard about this friend of TH's--DDS--I thought about this horrific case. I think there may have been a movie made.
Of course, she was identified as the one who signed him out and was caught. I don't remember much about the prosecution of her and/or her friend's. Wish I could remember the names but I don't.

I feel certain we've only seen the tip of the ice-berg when it comes to this woman and her ability to portray herself one way all the while a seething monster inside. Since she couldn't take it out on the source of her rage, she turned it onto a small indefensible child.

Most telling about her--is there is NO SECRET behavior she could have possibly been engaged in on that day that she couldn't now divulge fully to investigator's in order to 'clear' her name so that LE can 'move on' and the 'witch hunt' could be over. None. Not with the MFH and 'sexting' stuff that's come out.

The only thing worse is that she IS involved and has done something to Kyron therefore she CANNOT account for her time without implicating herself further.

I hope & pray the GJ indicts her.........

 

[cluciano63]

I hope they indict only if a jury can convict her...

and I never heard of that case outlined above, it sounds truly bizarre and I thought I had heard of most of them...yikes