Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #11

[pacnwgal]

I think Sheriff Joe is to blame for allowing that to occur in his jail; he controls all access to and from media and he allowed it.

I thought those interviews were in Yreka, before she was moved to Arizona's custody?

 

[Nancy_Drew]

Not that I agree with this, but as to 2nd degree, if -- from the start -- she had never said a thing without an attorney present, they could have argued heat of passion. Were it not for all her self-incriminating statements and lies, that could have worked. Had the prosecutor been someone less capable than Juan Martinez (and he usually only tries 1st degree cases), it's quite likely she could have pleaded the case out without any further police investigation, thus the proof of premeditation may never have come to light. Sad to say, but this kind of resolution happens all the time.

She basically screwed herself by her inability to just shut her trap.

That's so awesome, especially JA thinks she so legal savvy!!

 

[Madeleine74]

I wonder how Dr. Samuels and Alyce LaViolette feel about the fact that their testimonies defining and corroborating Jodi's "fog" were publicly debunked yesterday, and by none other than Jodi herself? Of course, they knew they were lying in order to make money testifying on her behalf, but I doubt if they wanted the whole world to know.

They each testified on cross they going by what the defendant told them and they took the defendant's interviews at face value (i.e. believed them rather than questioning if she was telling them the truth). Juan specifically elicited that from each defense psychology 'expert.' It's not anyone else's fault if Arias lies, that's on her. But they were hired guns to present a specific view based on a set of assumptions they were given, corroborated only by writings to provide that slant. Those assumptions were false, of course, but that's how an expert can say what they say on a witness stand and still be telling the truth.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Another thing about the killer having to 'rebut' the family's & Juan's statements. They had to fight for the gun shot first because that would be the only way they could try the case using DV & battered woman syndrome plus, the gun shot started 'the fog'. She couldn't admit to the stabbings first or even last because that would show the intent of murder & she wants it to be he attacked her & she fought back.

Dr. Horn finding no bleeding in the head wound explaining the heart was not pumping blood when he was shot & also after he was shot, he wouldn't have purposed movements, the numerous defensive wounds leads me to believe the shot was last.

The fact that the killer was no stranger to knifes. I do believe she carried a knife always. She slit a total of 12 tires! 2x'x Travis, 1x, Lisa's.

Only the killer would stand to the JSS and still insist the order of the weapons used at the sentencing! Thinking that the order of weapons used, would make a difference that she premeditated killing Travis. Like her mind is thinking that the order of the weapons, would make a difference in her guilt or sentence!

Arias continues to stun me with her total lack of commonsense and lack of logic. She has none and this really shows it. She knew that JSS had already ruled that it really didn't matter which came first by law because it still met the legal definition of cruelty. The mere using of two different murder weapons shows how premeditated this murder was compounded by the multiple times she viscously stabbed him before slitting his throat. But she truly felt this made her somehow not as evil when of course it makes her evil to the core no matter the sequence.

She is the type of person that will argue with a sign post.

I know this she better get rid of that haughty arrogant attitude when she is at Perryville. No one likes a know-it-all and one who thinks they are far superior than anyone else. The inmates that are in control who dominate will make sure she knows who is in control there and it won't be Arias.

I have felt such relief today for the Alexander family. Imo, the first thing they all did when they returned home was go to Travis' graveside and tell him they fought as hard as they could and JA is locked away forever. I think they told him he can rest in peace now. I only hope they are able to have some peace themselves. They have been treated like POWs by JA and her wicked team. To know they have been re-victimized by JAs loony supporters is so heartbreaking. They are just like JA and love to inflict emotional harm on a family who has gone through hell and back these past years.

I am very worried about Steven. He did not look well the last time he spoke. I didn't see him yesterday. I think he is so distraught and angry about juror #17 robbing them of what they truly believe was justice in this case.............death. And after Arias spoke yesterday I am more convinced than ever before that is exactly what she should have been given. I think Steven is having a very hard time coping.

IMO

 

[Quester]

Using Tapatalk, anyone else having problems with Tapatalk not remembering last post read in the thread? TIA

I read this thread to end, refresh to make sure I've read latest, go to my subscribed threads, refresh, this thread shows there is new post/s, open thread, which opens to post from TWO HOURS ago, have to scroll to current page and often there is no new post.

Note: it is just this thread doing the above - other threads I've subscribed to behaving properly.

 

[MissHaley]

I thought those interviews were in Yreka, before she was moved to Arizona's custody?

One was in Yreka, then more after she was brought to Mesa. She loved it!

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

But don't forget that JW made it very clear that j17 did not get on Facebook during the trial b/c she said she didn't and we have to believe her.

So are we supposed to believe that J17 was the ONLY person involved with this case that *WASN'T* influenced by social media?!

But she also said that all the other jurors were on social media because they checked! So we can't punish one juror when all the other jurors are disobeying the order but no proof was offered of course.

 

[cady]

Any word about how she likes her new digs? Were there any photos of her being hauled off or arriving? JMO

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I wonder if she knows something we don't (like she did w/j17 and didn't say anything) that JA will be able to base her appeal on? Like maybe something that happend in the beginning when JA was questioned by the police...

Is there maybe something they should have done differently with a suspect that is mentally ill?

On the Justice4Jodi FB page they seem to think that they will get a new trial because the jury was not sequestered. Ha! What about all the other cases in AZ where the jury was not sequestered? We don't sequester jurors here typically and IMO that is a good thing.

 

[pacnwgal]

Something did push her to do it, but what your friend fails to understand is there was no legal mitigating reason determined. Jealousy and rage are not defensible mitigators for premeditated murder. Receiving a DP sentence is not easy and not receiving it does not invalidate the heinousness of the crime.

Great post! Totally agree. Also, reading from a list of 60 people that should have also received LWOP is not a reason CMJA should have her sentence reduced to LWP, it just means 60 other murderers got lucky.

 

[Schmatz]

And had sex with him to help him feel normal. So he'd lust after grown women instead of little boys or girls.

She really is such a beautiful soul. *gagging*

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Something did push her to do it, but what your friend fails to understand is there was no legal mitigating reason determined. Jealousy and rage are not defensible mitigators for premeditated murder. Receiving a DP sentence is not easy and not receiving it does not invalidate the heinousness of the crime.

especially with an 11-1 hung jury in favor of the DP

 

[Madeleine74]

The shot was last IMO but she did stab him in the neck three times in addition to the huge gaping throat slitting per autopsy report-page 3

"I do remember the moment the knife went into Travis' throat," Arias said. "He was still conscious. He was trying to attack me."

She's a lying liar who lies. She can't possibly know the level of consciousness of Travis at that given moment in time. She can claim to know, she can believe she knows, but she can't know for sure. I hope the Alexander family did not take that bait for one minute. They've been through enough and to continue to give that murderess any power whatsoever over their well-being going forward, would be terrible.

 

[MissHaley]

Since it looks like Juan is granting interviews- Jen from Trial Diaries said she got one & Troy Hayden just posted pics of his interview - we need to remind our Tricia to get one with Juan. She said she wanted to & it will be epic!!!!!!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

 

[IfIMay]

Not that I agree with this, but as to 2nd degree, if -- from the start -- she had never said a thing without an attorney present, they could have argued heat of passion. Were it not for all her self-incriminating statements and lies, that could have worked. Had the prosecutor been someone less capable than Juan Martinez (and he usually only tries 1st degree cases), it's quite likely she could have pleaded the case out without any further police investigation, thus the proof of premeditation may never have come to light. Sad to say, but this kind of resolution happens all the time.

She basically screwed herself by her inability to just shut her trap.

The evidence of premeditation would still exist. It may have been harder to prove without her ramblings, but the evidence alone pretty much told the tale. Flores pretty much told her that the first day. She came up with her ninja story to TRY to explain away that evidence. 2nd degree was never in the cards.

 

[Madeleine74]

What I don't understand was how they could bring social media into this? For Wilmott to sit there and say that if JA said this then she was wrong, or if she said whatever......WHAT DOES IT MATTER WHAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING ON SOCIAL MEDIA???? It isn't like people just started having opinions with the invention of Facebook, Twitter, etc..... To me, she was making the case out to being tried in the court of public opinion, and in today's day and time, there is just no way for people not to form their own opinions ESPECIALLY when the public has a right to the information.

And for JA to sit there and show that she had seen what was on Social Media.....that absolutely infuriates me. Her access to social media, period, made me furious.

:gaah:

Sorry, just had to vent that out!

:laughing:

TA's family also brought social media into their statements to the judge yesterday, if you noticed. I agree that social media had no place in that courtroom. JA was tried based on the evidence brought out during the trial, not based on the comments of social media followers. There is usually craziness that surrounds every high profile murder case. That's not an excuse and it's not ok, but it is how it goes. But yesterday was about getting the killer sentenced and making sure the judge understood why it was important it be for natural life.

 

[Brooke]

"Today is the first day of the rest of my life". #winning

 

[MissHaley]

The shot was last IMO but she did stab him in the neck three times in addition to the huge gaping throat slitting per autopsy report-page 3

"I do remember the moment the knife went into Travis' throat," Arias said. "He was still conscious. He was trying to attack me."

BBM- yes, I thought of that & not the slit neck. There were 2 from behind, (of course, he was moving away from her), one near the ear, I believe. Then one in the front of the neck.

 

[Madeleine74]

I thought those interviews were in Yreka, before she was moved to Arizona's custody?

Not all of them to my knowledge. But regardless, it is the jail warden who controls whether an inmate gets to interview with media, particularly in person. Arias may have asked for the interview (or maybe it was producers for those shows), but either way, the jail management (i.e. warden) is who makes the decision to allow or not.