Do you think the parents were involved?

[Trino]

I can no longer feel as certain the parents were involved, although I also cannot recall any parents reacting to a child abduction in the manner that the McCanns are reacting. As we all have said: there just isn't a positive comparison as to how we would react or how any persons we've reviewed on this site have reacted.

Was Madeline abducted? Possibly. This leaves a few choices: a sexual predator took her, someone took her to raise as their own child, she was procured to give away ($), or she was taken for body part sales. I certainly don't like the last scenario, but nothing in today's world is surprising.

Is Madeline alive? It would be a fairy-tale ending if she were, but I have a sad gut feeling she is not.

Other than finding Madeline, the one hope I have for this case is that the McCanns finally own up to their actions and begin to show a feeling of remorse for leaving their children alone. Oh, yeah, I wouldn't mind their fund running out of money, too.

 

[nicola]

Other than finding Madeline, the one hope I have for this case is that the McCanns finally own up to their actions and begin to show a feeling of remorse for leaving their children alone. Oh, yeah, I wouldn't mind their fund running out of money, too.

I think the last comment you made about the fund running out of money a little harsh, after all if this happend then the search/campaign would not be as widespread/intense as it has been. No one knows the future - it could be the down to someone recognising maddie from one of the campaign posters that helps find her, if they didnt have the fund then the posters wouldnt have been as wide spread as they were!
So to say you hope the fund runs out of money is like saying that you do not want Maddie to have the best chance of being found.
I agree that the McCanns should not have left thier children alone and that they are partially responsible for that reason, but they know this and they have stated that they understand that they shoulnt have left here. So they have shown remorse for thier actions, although sadly this is a fact that they will have to live with for the rest of thier lives.

 

[Rino]

That's one of the reasons I'm leaning toward abduction - too many people appeared to be watching the McCann party.

Wow thats new. And just how many stalkers were there?

 

[Barnaby]

I think the last comment you made about the fund running out of money a little harsh, after all if this happend then the search/campaign would not be as widespread/intense as it has been. No one knows the future - it could be the down to someone recognising maddie from one of the campaign posters that helps find her, if they didnt have the fund then the posters wouldnt have been as wide spread as they were!
So to say you hope the fund runs out of money is like saying that you do not want Maddie to have the best chance of being found.
I agree that the McCanns should not have left thier children alone and that they are partially responsible for that reason, but they know this and they have stated that they understand that they shoulnt have left here. So they have shown remorse for thier actions, although sadly this is a fact that they will have to live with for the rest of thier lives.

Well if it continues to be used to pay Kate & gerrys living expenses weekly it won't last long so what about finding Madeleine in all of that. Their mortgage would be hefty alone never mind all their weekly bills, they sure are getting a free ride from the fund! Disgraceful! These people have lived off the charity of others - Mark Warner, travel insurance, the Fund for the past 5 months now, time to work for your keep I say but please don't go back to medicine you are not suitable caring candidates!

 

[gord]

Well if it continues to be used to pay Kate & gerrys living expenses weekly it won't last long so what about finding Madeleine in all of that. Their mortgage would be hefty alone never mind all their weekly bills, they sure are getting a free ride from the fund! Disgraceful! These people have lived off the charity of others - Mark Warner, travel insurance, the Fund for the past 5 months now, time to work for your keep I say but please don't go back to medicine you are not suitable caring candidates!

what exactly would you have the mcaans do - the fund has lots of executors - it is not their private bank . People gave to it so that they could go and find their daughter - so if that means that they have to have certain expenses paid do be it -

at the end of the day IF they are ever proved to have a hand in the death then the fund will be frozen and they will be off to jail simple . Until then they are concentrating on coordinating the search

Obviously there are many people like yourself who think they are guilty and would not have a bean from the fund spent

fortunatey there are others who are in the camp of INNOCENT until PROVED GUILTY BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT

I know it might seem like a foreign concept - but it is at the heart of justice here in the UK

 

[AfterMidnight]

Wow thats new. And just how many stalkers were there?

Actually, I'm not sure. I'm not even sure my theory is correct. However, I believe Madeleine may have been targeted for abduction by a pedophile ring or a child-for-sale/adoption ring - - - think Georgia Tann.

I believe this is a possibility BECAUSE:

1. The employees at the Tapas Bar seem to have been keeping tabs on the McCanns. Remember how they stated who left and didn't leave? Yes, they must have been watching; they were in the perfect position to do so. Suppose, just for the sake of argument, they were in cahoots with someone?

2. There was a man in the room above the McCann apartment who seems to have gotten in with a key. Now who has keys? Could it possibly be someone connected to the resort? I don't know, but it seems a bit suspicious.

3. Remember the white van parked in front of the McCann's apartment? Remember the abducted, murdered and buried Swiss child, Ylenia Lenhard? Remember von Aesch, the man who supposedly abducted that child then commited suicide - the same guy who was supposed to be vactioning in the Praia da Luz at the same time as the McCanns? Don't forget -- he shot a man then allegedly committed suicide, then someone else collected the reward. Interesting threesome there.

4. Have you forgetten Mr. Murat? His constant hanging around and involving himself in police matters made journalist, Lori Campbell suspicious. If you do a bit more digging on him there are several things would could be classified as suspicious in his case.

5. I believe there was a couple involved in attempted extortion involved in this case, though not sure of their names right now.

6. There is a description, supposedly out there, of a man who was seen in the area.

The list goes on. No, I cannot count the number of possible stalkers or potential abductors. I do know there are many more candidates for the disappearance of Madeleine than the parents.

 

[SleuthMom]

what exactly would you have the mcaans do - the fund has lots of executors - it is not their private bank . People gave to it so that they could go and find their daughter - so if that means that they have to have certain expenses paid do be it -

People donated money with the intention of SEARCHING FOR MADELEINE NOT...I REPEAT NOT TO PAY FOR THE PARENTS LIVING EXPENSES.

 

[gord]

People donated money with the intention of SEARCHING FOR MADELEINE NOT...I REPEAT NOT TO PAY FOR THE PARENTS LIVING EXPENSES.

how on earth are they supposed to search for her if they have to go back to work ??

people gave money to the fund to find her - the executors of the fund are those who will decide what is just and what is not - the Mccaans do not have direct access to the cash

sometimes I think people here are just blinded with pure hatred for them -

For me I think there for the grace of God . whatever it takes to try and find her

 

[IrishMist]

People donated money with the intention of SEARCHING FOR MADELEINE NOT...I REPEAT NOT TO PAY FOR THE PARENTS LIVING EXPENSES.

If you go to the donation area of their web page, it says, plain as day:

"The Fund would like to thank everyone for their kindness, support and generosity.

Madeleine’s Fund was set up to:

1. Find Madeleine;
2. Support the Family; and
3. Bring the abductor or abductors to justice

and subject to that to help other missing children


Bold emphasis mine.
Link

 

[AfterMidnight]

how on earth are they supposed to search for her if they have to go back to work ??

people gave money to the fund to find her - the executors of the fund are those who will decide what is just and what is not - the Mccaans do not have direct access to the cash

sometimes I think people here are just blinded with pure hatred for them -

For me I think there for the grace of God . whatever it takes to try and find her

I see no reason to muddy the waters with mundane facts of life. These people left their children alone and they must pay - one way or the other.

 

[AfterMidnight]

how on earth are they supposed to search for her if they have to go back to work ??

people gave money to the fund to find her - the executors of the fund are those who will decide what is just and what is not - the Mccaans do not have direct access to the cash

sometimes I think people here are just blinded with pure hatred for them -

For me I think there for the grace of God . whatever it takes to try and find her

An ah ha moment, eh, what?

 

[gord]

If you go to the donation area of their web page, it says, plain as day:

"The Fund would like to thank everyone for their kindness, support and generosity.

Madeleine’s Fund was set up to:

1. Find Madeleine;
2. Support the Family; and
3. Bring the abductor or abductors to justice

and subject to that to help other missing children


Bold emphasis mine.
Link

LOL I was just about to quote that PLUS the fund directors are not all family , but external lawyers and fund managers

The Fund is following best practice governance procedures as set out in the Good Governance Code for the Voluntary and Community Sector. The directors of the company are Peter Hubner, Brian Kennedy, John McCann, Michael Linnett, Esther McVey, Doug Skehan and Philip Tomlinson. They have appropriate legal, business and charitable experience. An experienced Fund Administrator has been appointed to ensure the highest standards of transparency and accountability. This should enable the Directors to maintain an appropriate governance distance in the day-to-day operations of the Fund.

The Board and its individual Directors will ensure that the Fund is subject to required financial legal scrutiny. They will ensure that they receive reliable external advice and information, as the basis for making good decisions.

 

[gord]

I see no reason to muddy the waters with mundane facts of life. These people left their children alone and they must pay - one way or the other.

look I think that the Mccaans were way out of order in regard to how they left their kids - I have three and would never consider leaving young children alone .

But that fact cant be changed - it happened - by hammering them now wont bring back their daughter - as long as there is a slim chance that she is out there alive then 100% of energy must be put in that direction

There will a time and place where people better placed than me will decide what punishment the mccaans should face -

but that time and place is not now - lets get this case solved first - punisgment can come later

 

[philamena]

look I think that the Mccaans were way out of order in regard to how they left their kids - I have three and would never consider leaving young children alone .

But that fact cant be changed - it happened - by hammering them now wont bring back their daughter - as long as there is a slim chance that she is out there alive then 100% of energy must be put in that direction

There will a time and place where people better placed than me will decide what punishment the mccaans should face -

but that time and place is not now - lets get this case solved first - punisgment can come later

YEAH! Go gord. :clap::clap:
Find Maddie first....punish the perp(s) later.

 

[AfterMidnight]

YEAH! Go gord. :clap::clap:
Find Maddie first....punish the perp(s) later.

You might have a point, but we need to be sure these perps are punished for leaving those innocent children alone. It doesn't matter if it was an accepted way of doing things in other circles. None of us, here, would have done it and that's what counts. We need to make sure they pay!

 

[Texana]

Why do you say that?

If the McCanns did not have anything to do with the disappearance of their child, then their careless decision to leave the children unsupervised means a lifetime consequence for them--whether or not they choose to accept responsibility for, as phrased by Kate in "our mistake, if you can call it that."

The ones who will pay will be their children Sean and Amelie. Every outside message will be saying "How can things be normal, your sister Madeleine was abducted while you slept safely next to her" and every inside message from the parents will be contradict that. That is a crazy-making combination for any child.

I don't wish any kind of future punishment for the McCanns, if they are not charged officially. Really. Let them live with what they did, no matter what they say.

If there is enough evidence from the PJ to charge them, and they are brought to trial, then let them defend themselves there.

As for the implied fact none of us here would have "done it" (left our children alone, well, no, honestly, none of us would.

That's a good thing, isn't it? Because,if the McCanns were not involved in the disappearance and death of their child, apparently there are child abductors out there watching to see who IS leaving their children alone, and targeting those children. So (accepted practice or not) we should all make it a global priority to stop that practice.

 

[philamena]

You might have a point, but we need to be sure these perps are punished for leaving those innocent children alone. It doesn't matter if it was an accepted way of doing things in other circles. None of us, here, would have done it and that's what counts. We need to make sure they pay!

I agree with you. The McCann's knew that nannies were available while they vacationed. They were not ignorant people...they're doctors. They had the common sense to know that it is neglectful to leave 3 toddlers alone for hours on end every night .(Hell it's neglectful to leave 3 toddlers alone for 3- 5 minutes.)

 

[Maryam]

I agree with you. The McCann's knew that nannies were available while they vacationed. They were not ignorant people...they're doctors. They had the common sense to know that it is neglectful to leave 3 toddlers alone for hours on end every night .(Hell it's neglectful to leave 3 toddlers alone for 3- 5 minutes.)

Obviously, the creche was good enough for their children at daytime. The children spent many hours each day there. But suddenly, at night, they are better off alone? I mean, come on.

What bothers me most is the fact that the McCanns did not have a baby monitor with them to the Tapas Bar. The apartment was too far away for them to hear the children crying. I imagine a scenario where one of the children wakes up, just minutes after an alleged check, and then cries desperately for their mum and dad for 25 minutes, until the next check.

 

[Jayelles]

You might have a point, but we need to be sure these perps are punished for leaving those innocent children alone. It doesn't matter if it was an accepted way of doing things in other circles. None of us, here, would have done it and that's what counts. We need to make sure they pay!

And how exactly do you propose to "make them pay"? That is - how would they pay more than they are already paying with the loss of their daughter?

The Portuguese police theory gets more ridiculous by the day. Even the Spanish police are distancing themselves from the Portuguese police.

 

[IrishMist]

And how exactly do you propose to "make them pay"? That is - how would they pay more than they are already paying with the loss of their daughter?

The Portuguese police theory gets more ridiculous by the day. Even the Spanish police are distancing themselves from the Portuguese police.

Jayelles, I believe AfterMidnight's post was sarcasm.