Do you think the parents were involved?

[IrishMist]

Irish I feel like I am stalking you!! I agree completely with everything you have said and if people like Barnaby want to call it a "free ride" then lets hope its a ride they dont ever have to go on.

Having a "stalker" that agrees with me is WAY better than having one that doesn't!

I hope that's a ride no one ever has to go on.

 

[IrishMist]

Whether you think is ridiculous or not is irrelevant. Don't even know why you even bother to make such statement since it is also YOUR OPINION.

Snipped for length.

I made the statement because there seems to be some confusion as to the difference between fact and opinion. Not to mention "irrefutable" fact and opinion.

 

[april4sky]

Having a "stalker" that agrees with me is WAY better than having one that doesn't!

I hope that's a ride no one ever has to go on.

Make that makes two stalkers.

I agree too. I hope it's a ride no one ever has to go on. I really can't understand the lack of empathy.....And I don't want to!!

 

[IrishMist]

Irish I feel like I am stalking you!! I agree completely with everything you have said and if people like Barnaby want to call it a "free ride" then lets hope its a ride they dont ever have to go on.

Make that makes two stalkers.

I agree too. I hope it's a ride no one ever has to go on. I really can't understand the lack of empathy.....And I don't want to!!

There's a poster on here that we'll kid around about me being his stalker.

He's gonna be SO jealous to find out that I have TWO!! :woohoo: :woohoo:

 

[Jayelles]

I can't speak for all supporters, but I can speak for myself.

In my opinion, they didn't leave her to be abducted/sexually abused/murdered. They did what wasn't unusual in Europe, or at this resort, and are paying a high price for it. Do I think they should have left the children? No. Do I think they regret it now, and will for the rest of their lives? Yes.

I also think that the torment of that is punishment enough.

I don't believe they murdered their daughter, I don't have any problem with them using the fund for it's intended purpose, and I don't believe it will be for the rest of their lives.

I see people here complain that they are getting over it too fast. Now it's that their aren't getting over it fast enough.

Just consider, Barnaby, just for a minute or two... what if they didn't do it? What if the only mistake they made was being lulled into a false sense of security, and left those children alone. Can you imagine what they are going through??

Now, if it turns out that these rumors are true. (The DNA match, the dogs alerting, etc.) If all these rumors turn out to be true, and they are charged and found guilty, I could understand the anger at them and their deception. But this anger at suppositions, rumor, innuendo, and a smear campaign is very hard for me to understand.

Great post. I was fully aware of the purpose of the Find Madeleine Fund when I donated. My donation was made unconditionally and I will do so again if necessary.

There will be plenty of time for anger and recriminations if it ever transpires that the McCanns have hoodwinked us all but in the meantime and until such times as it is proved beyond all reasonable doubt that they did do the unthinkable, I would urge everyone to treat them as we'd like to be treated ourselves should we ever find ourselves falsely accused of murdering one of our own children.

 

[Trino]

Hi, everyone.

I am a fence-sitter re: involvement of the McCanns in Madeline's disappearance, although at the moment I'm leaning toward their non-involvement. However, it has not been the actions of the McCanns that have warmed me but rather the negative actions of the Portuguese LE.

The McCanns, however, have left me in limbo. While there has never been a book written explaining how parents should react to the abduction of a child, IMO the McCanns have not reacted as many persons expected them to react. I especially question the funding of Gerry's trip to the US, which IMO contributed nothing to finding Madeline and made me wonder what in the heck he was doing.

Madeline's fund with its concentration on money and private administration (friends and family members) is troubling and also contributes to suspicions about the McCanns. IMO contributors did not intend the fund to be used to support the family indefinitely, especially since the McCanns are far from being destitute.

Madeline's website has been a turn-off with its concentration on money, as well as Gerry's blog. As for Gerry not working, this cannot go on forever. At some point he, as well as Kate, will need to resume a normal working life. Quite frankly, if a person's family member dies, the person is typically back to work within a few weeks. How is not returning to work after 5 months contributing to finding Madeline? Now that they are back home are the McCanns spending their days searching for Madeline?

Maybe it's their lifestyle (arrogance?) that makes me question what the McCanns personally (physically) have done to find Madeline. I have read responses about how their jogging relieves stress, etc. Just for a comparison: this month I logged 550 miles bicycling. If my child were missing, I know I would not touch my bicycle; I know all my efforts would be dedicated to a search.

Despite all the negatives, today I don't think the McCanns are involved in Madeline's disappearance. Tomorrow is another day.

 

[SleuthMom]

Madeline's fund with its concentration on money and private administration (friends and family members) is troubling and also contributes to suspicions about the McCanns. IMO contributors did not intend the fund to be used to support the family indefinitely, especially since the McCanns are far from being destitute.

Exactly my point! When I go to their official web site instead of getting the feeling of "Help us find Madeleine" is more "Donate, donate, donate!" For heaven's sake it must stop! It has become a Maddie's web store where "new wristbands are now back in stock!" (quoting as stated in site). Ridiculous.

 

[Barnaby]

Just consider, Barnaby, just for a minute or two... what if they didn't do it? What if the only mistake they made was being lulled into a false sense of security, and left those children alone. Can you imagine what they are going through??

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They may not have done it, noone knows. However, I cannot excuse their mistake which left this little girl vulnerable to whatever happened to her.
They are two doctors, they know the score! If any of their patients left kids alone they would be legally obliged to report them to Social Services!
There is no excuse for leaving 3 babies alone, no sense of security whatsoever can prevail, only an imbecile would not think of the possibilities of danger - simple danger like choking, falling etc not even paedophile adbuction. These people are not imbeciles, they are intelligent people who put their selfish needs for a night out above the safety of the 3 babies in their care! They didn't even lock the apartment to keep the kids safe at least, my God who does that? They have lied to protect themselves & continue to amass money to live on 5 months later!

Just you imagine that this little girl was taken by paedophiles who horribly abused her before they killed her, imagine her terror, can you begin to imagine what she went through? My sympathies are with Madeleine not her negligent, selfish, uncaring & abusive parents who have since manipulated the media to make us believe that they did nothing wrong!

 

[IrishMist]

They may not have done it, noone knows. However, I cannot excuse their mistake which left this little girl vulnerable to whatever happened to her.
They are two doctors, they know the score! If any of their patients left kids alone they would be legally obliged to report them to Social Services!
There is no excuse for leaving 3 babies alone, no sense of security whatsoever can prevail, only an imbecile would not think of the possibilities of danger - simple danger like choking, falling etc not even paedophile adbuction. These people are not imbeciles, they are intelligent people who put their selfish needs for a night out above the safety of the 3 babies in their care! They didn't even lock the apartment to keep the kids safe at least, my God who does that? They have lied to protect themselves & continue to amass money to live on 5 months later!

Just you imagine that this little girl was taken by paedophiles who horribly abused her before they killed her, imagine her terror, can you begin to imagine what she went through? My sympathies are with Madeleine not her negligent, selfish, uncaring & abusive parents who have since manipulated the media to make us believe that they did nothing wrong!

I'm not sure where they have lied, nor how they've convinced the media that they've done nothing wrong.

But at least you are honest about why you are angry at them. It seems to me that most of the people so convinced that they're guilty of murder are really only basing it on that one thing; leaving the kids alone. I appreciate your honesty.

 

[BethyC]

The PJ didn't lock down the apartment until 100 days after Maddy went missing. Other people lived in the apartment in between!!......how can any evidence or DNA ever be considered credible to support this case???

 

[AfterMidnight]

The PJ didn't lock down the apartment until 100 days after Maddy went missing. Other people lived in the apartment in between!!......how can any evidence or DNA ever be considered credible to support this case???

EXCELLENT question. I don't believe it can be credible.

 

[Barnaby]

I'm not sure where they have lied, nor how they've convinced the media that they've done nothing wrong.

But at least you are honest about why you are angry at them. It seems to me that most of the people so convinced that they're guilty of murder are really only basing it on that one thing; leaving the kids alone. I appreciate your honesty.

Thanks Irish I do get so angry about this, I just cannot bear the thoughts of anyone being bad to a child!

There have been loads of lies told most are documented in these forums so I won't repeat but if you want me to I will list a few

 

[colomom]

The PJ didn't lock down the apartment until 100 days after Maddy went missing. Other people lived in the apartment in between!!......how can any evidence or DNA ever be considered credible to support this case???

Not true...the PJ took control of the apartment immediately, the McCanns moved to another apartment in the Ocean Club on May 4. While extensive forensic test were not conducted prior to returning the apartment to control of the owners (after 10 days/2 weeks), because the investigation was focused on an abduction since that is what the McCanns insisted happened, some testing was done in the early days (fingerprints, collecting DNA evidence, checking for signs of a break in, etc.). The forensic testing that was done in early August was done on the advice of the British LE due to the fact that the PJ could not find any evidence of an abduction. That is when the British LE brought the dogs and the special lights to look for blood and they were involved in a much more detailed examination. After finding evidence of blood and cadaver scent those involved in the investigation did very thorough checks on prior renters (including those who rented prior to the McCanns) to rule out any other deaths in the apartment. The blood was sent to Birmingham FSS (one of the finest forensics labs in the world) to try and get an absolute DNA match.

When we finally get the complete detail of the forensic evidence, there will be no doubt, one way or the other.

 

[Barnaby]

I hope that comes soon Colomom. I just cannot rule out those dogs getting the cadaver scent. It has been established that there were no other deaths in the apartment so why did they get it if not Madeleine. The PJ are not assuming her dead without good reason! The dogs are highly trained & have detected death before.
I do not buy for one minute the story about Cuddle cat being around dead bodies, does Kate McCann think we are fools that a doctor would take a childs toy to work! She is a part time GP just how many dead people did she visit & remember the body has to be there for at least two hours to leave the scent. It's bloody ridiculous nonsense IMO!

 

[SleuthMom]

When we finally get the complete detail of the forensic evidence, there will be no doubt, one way or the other.

I wonder why is taking so long! I cannot wait to hear of those results! What happened to little Maddie? *sigh*

 

[Texana]

The PJ didn't lock down the apartment until 100 days after Maddy went missing. Other people lived in the apartment in between!!......how can any evidence or DNA ever be considered credible to support this case???

DNA is unique to every individual on this planet. You can't get a match from my DNA to yours, unlike blood types. Whatever is left may be degraded, or not able to matched completely, but my DNA will never suddenly morph into yours.

If there's a little bit of blood spatter in a corner that I overlook in cleaning, and you move into my apartment, it doesn't matter unless you also see that corner and clean it. Otherwise, the sample remains intact.

 

[Pinkhammer]

Regarding the news out of Portugal that cadaver dogs found the odor of death on the backstairs of the McCann rental unit:

Now it is conjectured that Maddie may have awakened, and gone looking for her parents, only to stumble down the back steps and hit her head on the hard tile, resulting in a fatal injury.

This is altogether possible. Why, then, would her parents not immediately call for an ambulance and get her immediate emergency care?

Could it be that they valued their lifestyle, their jobs, and their reputations more than the life of their little girl?

Parents who are sefish and insensitive enough to their babies' needs to leave them unattended for hours and hours at a foreign resort might just be selfish enough to cover up Maddie's accident.

 

[Shazza]

They may not have done it, noone knows. However, I cannot excuse their mistake which left this little girl vulnerable to whatever happened to her.
They are two doctors, they know the score! If any of their patients left kids alone they would be legally obliged to report them to Social Services!
There is no excuse for leaving 3 babies alone, no sense of security whatsoever can prevail, only an imbecile would not think of the possibilities of danger - simple danger like choking, falling etc not even paedophile adbuction. These people are not imbeciles, they are intelligent people who put their selfish needs for a night out above the safety of the 3 babies in their care! They didn't even lock the apartment to keep the kids safe at least, my God who does that? They have lied to protect themselves & continue to amass money to live on 5 months later!

Just you imagine that this little girl was taken by paedophiles who horribly abused her before they killed her, imagine her terror, can you begin to imagine what she went through? My sympathies are with Madeleine not her negligent, selfish, uncaring & abusive parents who have since manipulated the media to make us believe that they did nothing wrong!

These are my exact thoughts Barnaby, it is not just the fact they left their children alone, I put myself in Madelaines shoes and think what she would feel like if she has been abducted or taken by pedophiles, what has or is this little girl going through. I have no sympathy for the parents, who think they have done no wrong, and even if they are found to be innocent of any involvement in Madelaines disappearance, I would think welfare should take the twins away as the McCanns are not parents who can be trusted to look after their children.

 

[IrishMist]

These are my exact thoughts Barnaby, it is not just the fact they left their children alone, I put myself in Madelaines shoes and think what she would feel like if she has been abducted or taken by pedophiles, what has or is this little girl going through. I have no sympathy for the parents, who think they have done no wrong, and even if they are found to be innocent of any involvement in Madelaines disappearance, I would think welfare should take the twins away as the McCanns are not parents who can be trusted to look after their children.

But they HAVE admitted how sorry they are that they left the kids alone, haven't they? And child welfare DID come to their home and check. Apparently all is well, because the twins are still with them.

 

[april4sky]

British newspapers come in for plenty of stick but they are paragons of virtue compared to the toxic hacks of the Portuguese press.

For some time Kate and Gerry McCann have been victims of a sustained smear campaign.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2007/10/01/papers-print-poison-89520-19874095/

Their slurs concern a real little girl and real parents devastated by their loss. The Portuguese cops have proved incapable of discovering what happened to Madeleine. With their crackpot allegations and lies, they and their pet journalists rub salt into wounds that must already be unbearable
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There's truth in this. IMO