Does Anyone here think Casey Anthony is innocent?

[BuzzieCat]

Yep. There's something else, tho, I can't quite put my finger on... KC drives frantically all over Orlando. Barely gets out of the town. Like a bee buzzing all over hither and thither. But huddles in the A's house. I almost wonder if she's not ... sort of... agoraphobic, about leaving the A's house, tho she can drive all over hell furiously in the town as long as she doesn't go too far away from the A's house, or can always go back to it. Like the night one of the boyfriends wakes and she's gone, says she had to take Caylee home (whaaa?) and then the story about G&C were gonna move and let her have the house so AH could move in. That's like, in her dreams, that's what she wanted to happen. G&C just move away out of sight out of mind, somebody else pay the bills and buy the groceries etc, so that she and AH could just be "the girls" together, be hip and cool and party, no responsibility. But it centers around the house, the den, the cave. I think KC definately felt safe there; it's the center. Maybe that's why Caylee was dumped 15 houses away; "she's close". I almost see an agoraphobic home-bound persona in KC. If now, she's bonded to her cave-like jail cell, could be one reason she doesn't want to leave it, that cave of safety. We all see aspects of this case that we identify with. Yes, agoraphobia has been a demon of mine. Good drugs can fix it, tho. A good anti-anxiety agent and she'll be out for trial, none the worse for wear. The day the baby's remains were found and KC was given a sedative, probably opened her eyes to prescription meds for anxiety. Just sayin'.

I don't think she has agoraphobia but she seems to have almost a fearfulness of going too far away from the house that just adds another weird dimension to this case for me. She is the most homebody criminal I've ever heard of! I thought most thieves and scammers would move around, cut their losses, to avoid too much scrutiny when things go bad. Not Casey! Weird. Not even once her daughter was dead in the trunk of her car could she force herself to leave home.

And no, I don't think she's innocent. For her to be innocent would take a far-fetched, movie-quality story that IMO just isn't true in this case. And if it were, surely Casey would have come out with the real info by now rather than sit in jail for who knows how long until they finally schedule a trial. Caylee is gone now so there's no one to protect - why wouldn't she come out with it?

 

[gibby207]

ITA! It does give a different perspective. Once I realized that KC was a sociopath I was able to stop spending so much time on thinking "How could she??" and move on to the "How did she?" I really wish that there was a way to show people who don't have one what it is like and how they really are, but I am afraid it takes most people many months and more likely YEARS of their abuse (and as you know, it IS abuse) to identify one. I am sorry you can relate!

And to Gibby no problem, just trying to help people understand because I can clearly see how it is hard to imagine a person with truly no feelings whatsoever for anyone but themselves. Not just selfish, but selfish with a vengeance! Hmmmm...even diabolical maybe... :blowkiss:

Thanks for adding me in your post. The thing is, I can too. I don't dip into my personal history or family history much as maybe it's still a little shameful and I'm proud when my WS buddies pull KP duty and say what I wanna say. Going there now... I have had sociopaths in my life, have experienced suicidal ideation, and can't post quite as eloquently as my WS buddies. There are STILL toxic people in my life because they are family and I can't just kick them out... dunno why but just can't. It's up to me, I believe, to learn more about the aspects of our relationships so we can communicate on a level that still produces somewhat of a relationship between us. Fortunately, the person I'm speaking of (sister) lives miles away so I'm not sucked into it every day. However, there's the phone...

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I am sorry for your situation. Thank you for sharing this information.

I am sorry for my situation as well and grateful for you that you do not know this type of person as I do. They say ignorance is bliss...I for one am happy that I know so that I can keep my children at a distance as much as possible in order to keep them safe and know not to let them out of my sight when he is around.

I am glad you started this thread. I understand completely about want to be completely sure and this may help you answer the questions you may still have rolling around if you have any...and who doesn't in this case?? I think that those that are still teetering need these threads to help them find a correct answer whatever that may be and those who aren't need them to keep us sharp and on our toes for further investigation and answers to defend our own findings and as much as I pray the defense doen't read here I sure hope the prosecution does because WS leaves no stone unturned and we have a far larger "staff" of detectives, many of whom are just as dedicated to finding the truth. We can look in many more directions faster than even LE at times.

As I said last night, I came here because I really wanted her to be innocent and would be willing to listen with an open mind to anything she has to say...but she doesn't say anything. And the evidence looks so bad...If it were me, even if my family were being threatened if I contacted LE, I would tell my mother how much I loved her and try to get her into protective custody after I called the police and did everything in my power to find my daughter as fast as possible. Even if it meant my own life or my mothers (who would gladly give her life for my daughter) and I love my mother tremendously. Only my children rank higher than her.

 

[Lovejac]

Do I think Casey is innocent? No, I do not.

I can try and explain/reason some of her actions but the 2 that I can not are:

1. Not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days (I also truly believe that if cindy had not found casey when she did, this would have gone on even longer.

2. watching movies at tony's and partying at Fusion

If if I try to factor in drug deals, prostitution, kidnapping, I still cannot come up with a reasonable reason for those 2 things.

 

[zippitydoda]

This has become a pretty long thread of which I haven't been able to read all the responses yet.

I will say that some of you have posted questions to my posts that I don't have answers to. The whole point of the thread.

I want to know how KC who had been a "great" mother by all accounts of just about everyone who was interviewed, flipped the switch. How do you go from the loving mother to a monster. Was it always lurking underneath it all? I don't believe the argument with her mother set it off. I don't believe she was jealous of her mother so she killed her child. I don't believe it. JMO

Hello everyone :newbie:… I'm jumping right in.

Casey innocent and a good mother?

Many of Casey’s friends, who were interviewed and may have said she appeared to be a good mother, only knew her for weeks or months. They are young adults, some in college or working REAL jobs, and don’t have children. Casey told them stories of being a hard-working single mom, with long days and nights, of juggling a child back and forth to the very expensive nanny, and the tribulations of dealing with an overbearing Cindy. Perhaps they bought into her nonsense and had sympathy for her. I think they know different now.

Her parents, IMO, have an agenda which mandates that they say she was a good mother - now. But I believe that was not their thinking prior to Cindy’s call to 911 to report Caylee missing. Casey must have been a constant disappointment to her parents. Perhaps they suffered through her thievery, her lies, and other bad behavior for Caylee’s sake and well being. I believe that the grandparents provided for the majority of Caylee’s needs, not Casey. Did they foresee this horror? No. No one did. Unfortunately, it appears the GP’s have been making excuses and cleaning up Casey’s messes for years, and it seems that they are continuing to do so.

What is a bad mother? Someone who beats their child or subjects them to other unspeakable acts, or deprives them of the human need for love, kindness, and other basic necessities? Casey may not have done these things prior to that fateful June day, but I believe that she did eventually.

A good mother would have reported an accident, or that someone took their child. Casey never did that. Casey never uttered one truthful word to assist in the search for her daughter. She has had every opportunity to do the right thing and has chosen not to. What innocent person would wait for their murder trial to suddenly clear up all of the proven lies in their explanation of what happened to their own child? After all this time, she continues to say nothing that would clear her name.

Her behavior to me is truly mind boggling.

 

[Lovejac]

Hello everyone :newbie:… I'm jumping right in.

Casey innocent and a good mother?

Many of Casey’s friends, who were interviewed and may have said she appeared to be a good mother, only knew her for weeks or months. They are young adults, some in college or working REAL jobs, and don’t have children. Casey told them stories of being a hard-working single mom, with long days and nights, of juggling a child back and forth to the very expensive nanny, and the tribulations of dealing with an overbearing Cindy. Perhaps they bought into her nonsense and had sympathy for her. I think they know different now.

Her parents, IMO, have an agenda which mandates that they say she was a good mother - now. But I believe that was not their thinking prior to Cindy’s call to 911 to report Caylee missing. Casey must have been a constant disappointment to her parents. Perhaps they suffered through her thievery, her lies, and other bad behavior for Caylee’s sake and well being. I believe that the grandparent provided for the majority of Caylee’s needs, not Casey. Did they foresee this horror? No. No one did. Unfortunately, it appears the GP’s have been making excuses and cleaning up Casey’s messes for years, and it seems that they are continuing to do so.

What is a bad mother? Someone who beats their child or other subjects them to other unspeakable acts, or deprives them of the human need for love, kindness, and other basic necessities? Casey may not have done these things prior to that fateful June day, but I believe that she did eventually.

A good mother would have reported an accident, or that someone took their child. Casey never did that. Casey never uttered one truthful word to assist in the search for her daughter. She has had every opportunity to do the right thing and has chosen not to. What innocent person would wait for their murder trial to suddenly clear up all of the proven lies in their explanation of what happened to their own child? After all this time, she continues to say nothing that would clear her name.

Her behavior to me is truly mind boggling.

:clap: Wow! You certainly came in with a BANG, what a powerful and insightful post! Welcome, welcome! I love your username BTW!

 

[mydailyopinions]

This has become a pretty long thread of which I haven't been able to read all the responses yet.

I will say that some of you have posted questions to my posts that I don't have answers to. The whole point of the thread.

I want to know how KC who had been a "great" mother by all accounts of just about everyone who was interviewed, flipped the switch. How do you go from the loving mother to a monster. Was it always lurking underneath it all? I don't believe the argument with her mother set it off. I don't believe she was jealous of her mother so she killed her child. I don't believe it. JMO

I will not say that Casey was a horrible mother before all of this, mainly because I don't think she was "physically, or emotionally" Caylee's mother. I do think that Casey approached this as a sisterly relationship. Cindy was the mother in that home. I do think that jealousy paid a huge part in this. Even Casey said that Caylee normally would not get uspset talking to her if she hasn't heard from her in a while, but it would be different with her mom on the phone. Tells me a huge story of a power struggle over who the actual mother was in this family, especially to Caylee. I can imagine that if a fight occured, Caylee would cry for Cindy, and not want to be with Casey..Casey was not her security, Cindy was. Would this cause Casey to snap? Oh yeah, I think it would. Would this cause her to premeditate killing Caylee? Yes, I think so.
Please understand that it takes more than giving birth to a child to be a mother.

 

[mes1955]

I don't think my feelings towards KC would much change if I were to find out she was given a not guilty verdict. I would however, always wonder what happened to Caylee ... but I don't think anyone will ever be told the truth.

As for being *another* victim ... well, she is a grown woman with no tangeable physical, or mental disabilities, a victim of what? She didn't seem to be *victimized* to me ... but I am certain she feels victimized.

Caylee is gone, and nothing will change that. She is the only victim I can see clearly in this case, and I want justice for her.

IF KC is found innocent, you would not consider the loss of her child as a qualifier for "victim" status? IF KC is found innocent, you would not consider being the target of what amounts to a witch-hunt as a qualifier for "victim" status?

Remember that Caylee had a family. While it's important for the public to display concern for the loss of life, denying the rest of the family consideration for their very real physical and emotional loss is pretty cold. Not everyone, if anyone, in the family participated in the death of Caylee. No matter what you happen to think of the family, I don't believe it's necessary for the public to try to come between them and their personal grief. I think their loss, and the publicity surrounding it qualifies them as victims--as far as KC goes, that remains to be seen.

 

[cuppy199]

I agree with your logic above. However, there has been no evidence that she was physically abused, no police reports, no hospital or doctor reports. Hmmmmm....Wouldn't SOMEBODY have noticed something that they would have been more than willing to talk about since this case started?

Just because it wasnt reported or seen doesnt mean it didnt happen. There is many forms abuse. I can say there are alot of time its not discovered until after its to late. I myself lost someone I dearly loved by abuse and it was going on for years and no one noticed it. Not family or friends. My point is just because it might seem loving and caring on the outside doesnt mean that when they are alone they cant act totally different.You would be surprised what kids can with stand without braking a bone.And in my loved one case if they wouldn't of found the body and she would of decomposed they would of never knew she died from blunt force trama.Believe it or not it does happen.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Thanks for adding me in your post. The thing is, I can too. I don't dip into my personal history or family history much as maybe it's still a little shameful and I'm proud when my WS buddies pull KP duty and say what I wanna say. Going there now... I have had sociopaths in my life, have experienced suicidal ideation, and can't post quite as eloquently as my WS buddies. There are STILL toxic people in my life because they are family and I can't just kick them out... dunno why but just can't. It's up to me, I believe, to learn more about the aspects of our relationships so we can communicate on a level that still produces somewhat of a relationship between us. Fortunately, the person I'm speaking of (sister) lives miles away so I'm not sucked into it every day. However, there's the phone...

Oh No! I'm so sorry! I actually have two, but the second I was able to recognize in just under three years (isn't it crazy how until they get caught, you don't really have any idea!) Got him on his merry way and that decreased a lot of the drama in my life, but I am stuck in the family boat with the other. Ho Hum! Not up to me if we get rid of him or he would be gone too. Mamma Bear in me! He is their step-grandfather, so there is that extra step away other than the mental one. Fortunately for me he never comes to our house so we are only stuck with him at holidays now or the occasional visit to grandma.

But anyway, sorry for being O/T but at the same time, I believe that this is a major problem for the members who believe she is innocent. It is hard to believe that a mother could do this to their child, but an understanding of "the sociopath" in general really helps get you over that hurdle, I believe.

 

[Lovejac]

ITA! It does give a different perspective. Once I realized that KC was a sociopath I was able to stop spending so much time on thinking "How could she??" and move on to the "How did she?" I really wish that there was a way to show people who don't have one what it is like and how they really are, but I am afraid it takes most people many months and more likely YEARS of their abuse (and as you know, it IS abuse) to identify one. I am sorry you can relate!

And to Gibby no problem, just trying to help people understand because I can clearly see how it is hard to imagine a person with truly no feelings whatsoever for anyone but themselves. Not just selfish, but selfish with a vengeance! Hmmmm...even diabolical maybe... :blowkiss:

Thank you for sharing your personal experiences. Thank God you found out I am currently reading a book about psychopath/sociopath's, "Without Conscience" by Robert Hare and alot about casey has been explained to me in that book.

 

[mydailyopinions]

IF KC is found innocent, you would not consider the loss of her child as a qualifier for "victim" status? IF KC is found innocent, you would not consider being the target of what amounts to a witch-hunt as a qualifier for "victim" status?

Remember that Caylee had a family. While it's important for the public to display concern for the loss of life, denying the rest of the family consideration for their very real physical and emotional loss is pretty cold. Not everyone, if anyone, in the family participated in the death of Caylee. No matter what you happen to think of the family, I don't believe it's necessary for the public to try to come between them and their personal grief. I think their loss, and the publicity surrounding it qualifies them as victims--as far as KC goes, that remains to be seen.

AFter 6 months of this beautiful child having to lay in the woods rotting, NO, I would not call her a victim. If she were to have told the truth from the start..this would be a whole different forum.

 

[cocowiley]

This has become a pretty long thread of which I haven't been able to read all the responses yet.

I will say that some of you have posted questions to my posts that I don't have answers to. The whole point of the thread.

I want to know how KC who had been a "great" mother by all accounts of just about everyone who was interviewed, flipped the switch. How do you go from the loving mother to a monster. Was it always lurking underneath it all? I don't believe the argument with her mother set it off. I don't believe she was jealous of her mother so she killed her child. I don't believe it. JMO

i understand what you're saying and it is hard to fathom but it happens. i'm not so sure the fight with cindy was the only reason why i think casey killed caylee. i think she did it because she had grown tired of missing out on the fun all her friends were having, also, her b/f at the time wasn't really interested in children..he's in his early 20's i don't blame him.
here's a case from Nova Scotia where a mother strangled her 12yr old daughter to death because the mother's b/f said she had to choose between her daughter and him in order to save the relationship.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2009/01/30/ns-karissa-guilty.html

i think casey killed caylee to keep the relationship with her b/f, the fight with cindy could just have been a culminating factor.

 

[elementary]

I have debated and debated to myself posting details on this but I have someone "close" to my family who is a sociopath. I cannot stress enough to those of you that have been lucky enough not to come across one of these people that no matter how much you read, I don't believe that you can ever really "get it" as far as these people go without experiencing it for yourself, but I do recommend as much study on them as you can muster.

The person that we know is thought, by everyone on the "outside" to be a wonderful man who loves his family and would give you the shirt off his back when in reality he is a cold and calculating sociopath. Every nice thing that he does has a motive that benefits him behind it. I truly believed that he loved my son dearly, always falling all over him, holding him when he cried, acting like a doting grandparent, even after being warned by his own stepson that it was all an act. I couldn't imagine anyone acting that well...till I caught him saying nasty hateful things to my 9 MONTH OLD BABY when he thought I wasn't in the next room and could hear him. Once this happened, I let him know that I heard him and I was offended and super p!ssed and from that point on the act was over with me and he has always acted towards me, when we are alone, like KC does on the phone to her mother. HE could care less about hiding who he really is around me now and he is always ugly and nasty and has a smirk on his face, and my son is not allowed with him alone anymore because the man that I thought loved my son now I fear would snap his neck in a heartbeat if given the chance. I have seen him pretend to love his own daughter dearly in front of others, and then do things to her when he thought people weren't looking that caused me to anonymously call CPS. Sociopaths have a gift for fooling people into believing that they are loving caring people. They know what type of person you want them to be and they become that person and stay that person whenever they are around you. I knew this man for 10 years before I found out who he really was.

:blowkiss: Thanks for saying what you did. I encountered a psychopath who left a lot of damage in his wake. After that I learned as much as I could. Every word you speak is truth. Later, when I encountered a con artist who people worshipped like the second coming, it didn't take me long to figure her out.

I think it's absolutely a blessing that you got a clue and can protect your family from him. Most people don't want to believe it and end up enabling the behaviour and calling you crazy. The first psychopath cared for a little girl from infancy who had osteogenesis imperfecta, brittle bone disease. Her bones could break at the slightest movement. To this day I can only anguish about what he might have done to her.

You are so right- unless you've encountered one, people have no idea of how convincing they can be. The ones most skilled at seeming human can appear perfect and saintlike and the most feeling human on the planet, too good to be true. My favourite book on the topic is still Hervey Cleckley's "Mask of Sanity" , because he wrote detailed case studies of different psychopaths and describes their inner lives.

I'm so very, very glad you finally saw the soulless freak for what he really is! You saved lives.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Thank you for sharing your personal experiences. Thank God you found out I am currently reading a book about psychopath/sociopath's, "Without Conscience" by Robert Hare and alot about casey has been explained to me in that book.

I hear I really should read that! To be honest, until this case I didn't know what it was, I didn't have a word for it, I just knew he was a bad guy and I needed to keep my kids away from him. I've often thought that it was fate that brought me here and made me learn all that I have (and that there is no winning them over and getting them out of your life as much as possible is the only solution.) so that I can keep my own babies safe and that this little girl may have saved my children from any number of different kinds of harm. I thank Caylee for that and hope that she will help many other children in the same way and feel that doing everything that I can to make sure that happens is the only way I can thank her for what she has done for my babies.

 

[butwhatif?]

This has become a pretty long thread of which I haven't been able to read all the responses yet.

I will say that some of you have posted questions to my posts that I don't have answers to. The whole point of the thread.

I want to know how KC who had been a "great" mother by all accounts of just about everyone who was interviewed, flipped the switch. How do you go from the loving mother to a monster. Was it always lurking underneath it all? I don't believe the argument with her mother set it off. I don't believe she was jealous of her mother so she killed her child. I don't believe it. JMO

I think most people believed that she was a great mom because she knew how to act like one when other people were around.
KC knew she wasn/' t a good mom. She knew that Caylee was more attatched to CA because CA did the nurturing.
She tried to blame it on the fact that CA held caylee first, but a child bonds with whoever their main caregiver is, and who shows them the most love.
It was always lurking underneath IMO

 

[notbignotrich]

A friend just sent me a new link for a Caylee website. Ut also has Adji info. I've never posted alink before but here goes.


http://shamane23.webs.com/index.htm

 

[mes1955]

...unless you've encountered one, people have no idea of how convincing they can be. The ones most skilled at seeming human can appear perfect and saintlike and the most feeling human on the planet, too good to be true.

It is estimated that 2% of the population are sociopathic (1% of women, 3% of men). That would be 1 in 50. Chances are, we all know a sociopath or two...there is probably at least one of them on this forum somewhere.

 

[zippitydoda]

:clap: Wow! You certainly came in with a BANG, what a powerful and insightful post! Welcome, welcome! I love your username BTW!

Thank you for the welcome wagon...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This has become a pretty long thread of which I haven't been able to read all the responses yet.

I will say that some of you have posted questions to my posts that I don't have answers to. The whole point of the thread.

I want to know how KC who had been a "great" mother by all accounts of just about everyone who was interviewed, flipped the switch. How do you go from the loving mother to a monster. Was it always lurking underneath it all? I don't believe the argument with her mother set it off. I don't believe she was jealous of her mother so she killed her child. I don't believe it. JMO

I am seeing the purpose of thread quite clearly. Here is another thread which may be of interest: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79156

Sociopaths and others who kill do not always display violence or abuse prior to the action. They do not look like monsters either.

No one "flipped the switch" on Casey. Casey was never a great mother. Casey did not provide anything for her child's well being at any time. She was little more than an egg donor, photographer, and an occassional babysitter for Caylee, imo. This doesn't even qualify her as a decent mother. With the time spent on the cell phone, computer, in bars, and with the string of men she overlapped...she did not have time to care for a child.

Where is all this love you are speaking of coming from Casey for Caylee? I do not see it. The photos don't tell me her feelings. They only tell me she can act and pose.

If you think her friends calling her a "good mother" makes a case towards her innocence, I have to disagree.