does JB really think he can get an acquittal?

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  • #41
KC, imo, is not going to get the death penalty and she may even get a lesser charge of manslaughter. I think the defense is going to lay the blame squarely on George's shoulders. No one saw her do it and the defense is going to play that card with all they have. Finnell already said in her list KC was used as a scapegoat. They need one juror to believe that.

BBM

I don't believe she'll get the DP either, but not because the defense is going to try to place blame elsewhere. I think the SA case is a strong circumstantial case, but the emphasis is still on 'circumstantial'.

I'm still kind of 'out' on this one because I've seen the evidence, I just haven't seen the way it will be presented in court.

I've seen nothing from the defense but their opinion that she's not guilty, but then again, that's what defense attorney's do for a living :great: They can try to slap lipstick on it all they want to and promise 'A Ha' moments until the cows come home, but the facts still remain the same: There never has been nor their ever will be a legitimate reason or excuse for a mother kill her her child.
 
  • #42
Really? Decomp in the trunk of HER car, the hair banding and the 31 days doesn't do it for you? It did for me.

Heartfelt. Circumstantial.

You have to prove it.

However, I do agree with you, she did it. Now who is going to prove it?
 
  • #43
I'm bringing this over from another thread. Gitana1 has basically made an outline for what would be a perfect closing argument for the State, point by point. If JB thinks he can get an acquittal perhaps he better read Gitana's post below.


Let me add to that. The coroner determined it was homicide. This was based on where the body was found, how it was found (triple bagged, duct tape stuck to skull and hair), the fact that the mother never reported the child missing, the approximate date of death and that Caylee had not been seen for 31 days prior to the approximate date of death. We do not need cause of death to prove homicide.

What does the state have in order to prove it was first degree murder?:

1. A child is missing.
2. Mother never reports the child missing.
3. Mother lies about the child's whereabouts for 31 days.
4. Mother states the child was kidnapped when pressed and threatened with police being called. However, no evidence of a kidnapper or a kidnapping is ever found.
5. The mother's car was abandoned by her. When it was picked up by the family weeks later, it reeked horribly of decomposition, specifically, in the trunk.
6. The mother not only lied to LE about facts that could lead to the discovery of her daughter, she also purposefully misled them to a phony job, a phony nanny and to phony homes where the fake nanny lived, via outrageous lies.
7. The mother never showed any fear or grief about her daughter's disappearance.
8. There is evidence that the mother likely looked up household weapons, neck breaking, shovels and how to make chloroform, months before Caylee disappeared.
9. High levels of chloroform were found in the trunk of her car.
10. She parked her car backwards in the driveway against the garage on a day after Caylee disappeared, and on the same day she borrowed a shovel from a neighbor.
11. Cadaver dogs hit on the trunk and the backyard in a couple of places.
12. There was evidence that some ground had been disturbed in the Anthony back yard.
13. In the time Caylee was missing, before she was reported as such, witness and photographic evidence show that casey showed no concern about the whereabouts of her daughter. Instead, she had sex, partied, danced and got a tattoo of the words "Bella Vita" or the good life, during that time period.
14. When casey was arrested, she showed no authentic concern for her daughter and instead showed repeated concern for herself, getting out of jail, being able to talk to her boyfriend instead of answering questions about Caylee, and jealousy over the family having chili and dining together and she showed anger and indifference over the family's concern about Caylee, rather than her own predicament. The mother smiled broadly when she was photographed by police the day her daughter was reported missing (or the very next day) and strutted in a sultry and arrogant manner with a slight smirk when she was arrested, showing no panic, fear or concern about her daughter:
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15. There is evidence via witness statements that the mother was jealous of her daughter, of her daughter's connection with the grandma, of her daughter's role as the new princess in the family and there is evidence that the mother was angered by and deeply resentful of her parents' reluctance to allow her to leave the baby with them while she partied and refused to work, that she was forced to care for the "little snothead" as a result and that her parents were beginning to call her to account for her lying about work and failure to work and her theft of their property and that of her elderly grandparents.
16. There is evidence that her then boyfriend did not allow the mother to have Caylee in his bed or to spend the night and that he did not want kids but that if he ever had children, he would only want boy children. This is the only person the mother wanted to talk to when she was arrested.
17. The mother never called 911 or asked anyone for help to report any kind of accident or other problem with Caylee, at any time.
18. Caylee was found triple bagged and duct taped with rare tape found in the parent's home and in a laundry bag that matched laundry bags in the family home. She was found in the woods only houses from where casey resided at the time.
19. In almost three years, the mother has never disclosed that there was any kind of accident and instead, steadfastly held to the story that a woman who does not exist, took her child. This is despite a grand jury indictment and charges of first degree murder and the decision by the state to seek the death penalty for the same.
20. The mother emptied her myspace or facebook of hundreds of photos of Caylee right before she disappeared.

ETA: Any one of those things may not prove premeditated murder. But in my professional opinion, it is likely enough when most of it is taken together.
 
  • #44
Heartfelt. Circumstantial.

You have to prove it.

However, I do agree with you, she did it. Now who is going to prove it?

proof beyond a "reasonable" doubt.......emphasis on the word "reasonable"......as in within reason. We shall see.
 
  • #45
Regarding evidence that ties KC to CMA body -- who would do this and what would be their motive? There is no one else, but there may be that one juror who feels there is reasonable doubt.

Why did KC lie regarding nanny -- if she did leave CMA with someone, she could have named them and named them the first day CMA was missing, not 31 days later and only because CA took charge of the situation.

Trying to implicate GA would be the most ridiculous tactic the DL could take.

IMOO
 
  • #46
We won't know until it unravels. However, at the end of the day, most of it seems totally circumstantial. If the jurors follow their orders and not their hearts she will get off.

Nothing actually ties her to the body.

BBM

I have to disagree with this statement. This is completely inaccurate.

Through evidence that will be heard at this trial, it is a proven fact that there was something decomposing in Casey Marie Anthony's trunk. Air samples that will be heard by the jury proves this. Canine dogs prove this. Casey's text messages about something dead definitely being plastered to her car, shows that even Casey herself smelled decomposition.

What PROVES that the decomposition taking place in the trunk of Casey's car was not only human, but Caylee Marie Anthony's decomposing body is the piece of hair... that can only be linked to the women in the Anthony women that has a post mortem death band on it. Cindy and Casey are alive and well... Caylee's remains were found not even a mile from the safety of her own home.

The Suburban Drive scene directly leads back to the Anthony home. The rare duct tape. Caylee's Winnie the Pooh blanket. The garbage bags. The laundry bag. The heart shaped sticker. Oh, and Caylee's remains!

A jury does NOT have to aquit Casey if the evidence is circumstancial. If everything adds up and there are no kinks in that chain... and every single thing points back to Casey Anthony being responsible for Caylee's death... without any doubt they can convict her.
 
  • #47
narsistic behavior.

I am stopping with my voice for today since the moderators are going to reprimand me and delete my voice.

I would love to see her take the fall but the defense needs to really be on their toes or she will walk. That is all I am saying.
 
  • #48
Nope.
 
  • #49
Heartfelt. Circumstantial.

You have to prove it.

However, I do agree with you, she did it. Now who is going to prove it?

The State of Florida!
 
  • #50
I think he thinks he an get an acquittal to the major charges. I see DT as saying the death was accidental and all her behaviors where a result of her being scared of her family and staged everything to look like a kidnapper did it. They will attack the evidence of chloroform result. and TRY to say someone else made those chloroform searches. IMO this is the best defense they got because Zanny is a no go and to blame GA would be really dumb IMO.

Hoping this trial really starts Monday. But I dont want to get my hopes up
okay, but how about the year before when she was talking to GA and CA about Zanny.
 
  • #51
:tyou: JSR for bringing gitana's post here! You both :yourock:
 
  • #52
Really? Decomp in the trunk of HER car, the hair banding and the 31 days doesn't do it for you? It did for me.

Exactly Baznme. If the jurors follow their instructions - and not their hearts - not only will they consider these three items that you've mentioned, but the numerous other items that the prosecution will bring in as/for evidence; the question the jurors will ask themselves is, "Is it reasonable to believe..." and I'm confident the answer will be an overwhelming "YES." Beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean that you can simply disregard the entirety of the state's evidence in order to insert a stranger, a water meter reader, an invisible nanny, etc,. I am confident that the state's case overwhelmingly meets that standard. Whether or not Casey will get the DP versus LWOP is another matter...

AMOO ~
 
  • #53
okay, but how about the year before when she was talking to GA and CA about Zanny.

I don't believe that ever happened. Cindy and George just trying to cover for Casey... which is going to backfire on them again since now they are seemingly walking about from the ZFG story.

We do have 100% proof that Caylee began talking about this nanny in early May 2008. Although Jesse Grund and his father claim she had talked about it earlier... even though I think they may be mistaken... or Casey was just trying to sound important.
 
  • #54
Oh, I forgot to tell everyone. Monday, when I was at work (had to leave early... really sick) and I talked to a defense attorney who said that Casey would be convicted of 1st degree murder. He said it is a losing case for the defense and that he kind of felt bad for the defense for having to defend a defenseless client.

Huh! That's odd - I don't feel sorry for them at all - wonder if I am coming down with something......:innocent:
 
  • #55
IMO I think the DT knows she'll be convicted. I think they are just concerned with trying to save her life. Casey is the stupid one for refusing to a plea agreement.
I honestly think Jose is doing a pretty good job considering they have little to nothing to work with.
 
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  • #57
Heartfelt. Circumstantial.

You have to prove it.

However, I do agree with you, she did it. Now who is going to prove it?


Jurors are expected to have common sense, use it and the ability to connect the dots.

It's beyond a REASONABLE doubt. Not ALL doubt.
 
  • #58
The entire defense team, and the ones that have come and gone, know there will be no acquittal. Granted the evidence is purely circumstantial, jurors can put things together. Once the State presents all of their points, defense draws loopholes, the gaps will be filled.

No one can get beyond some very pertinent facts.

Speaking of circumstantial evidence, Bill Schaeffer is a criminal lawyer who has been in the field for more than 30 years, including serving on the Bar committee that handles lawyer misconduct decisions. He is someone I respect a great deal.

He stated unequivocally very recently that he has never seen a case with such strong circumstantial evidence. It is overwhelming and there is no question ICA will be found guilty.

So the question is "does JB think he can get an acquittal?"

Answer: No. He is in this case to become a death penalty qualified lawyer.

Answer: Do I? There is absolutely no chance she will be acquitted. ICA will receive either LWOP or the Death Penalty. No Less. No Chance. No How!!!

Question: Do I believe in the Death Penalty?

Answer: Well, I am Canadian and we no longer have the Death Penalty. I would vote for death in this case, without question.
 
  • #59
We won't know until it unravels. However, at the end of the day, most of it seems totally circumstantial. If the jurors follow their orders and not their hearts she will get off.

Nothing actually ties her to the body.

A Mother and/or Father are 100% responsible for the safety and well being of their child - period, end of story.

ICA lied about every aspect as to how Caylee came out of her care to LE. ICA was the last person seen with Caylee, her child, a fact ICA has never, ever disputed in her 3 years behind bars, all the while with legal representation. Caylee did not put duck tape around her sweet mouth, place herself in ICA's trunk to decompose, then into garbage bags and hurl herself into the woods. Someone did that to Caylee. IMO, based upon all of the evidence I have reviewed over the years, ICA is only one with the motive and - more importantly - the opportunity, to have done this to Caylee.
 
  • #60
I don't see ICA getting the death penalty........I think it will be lwop at best.......
I won't rest easy till the verdict is read..............
As wrong as it is, young and "pretty" will go in her favor......

Being young and handsome didn't help Scott Peterson at all.
 
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